Al Gore

well you must be rich! without taxes, what would happen to the less fortunate among us (charity) I doubt it. what about infrastructure, you know bridges and shit. What would finance our armies to protect you from the poor people of the world, I believe they should only tax the rich, leave you enough to live comfortably, on a higher plane than the rest of us poor slobs, but not like the Enron bunch and what is financial liberty, does that mean you have enough money to do what the fuck you want? Well I've never had that and I'll venture to say 95% of the citizenry have not either. Envision a world without Taxes. There would only be the super rich and the super poor and I'll guarantee you that the poor would outnumber you. Taxes are a way to distribute the wealth and secure the society, I'm pretty sure you don't want to share the wealth, maybe you are smarter, better looking, taller, richer and a whole myriad of conditions that apply to humanity, than the rest of us. Does that make you superior as a human being, I think not. You were probably the little kid who could never share his toys and grew up to be the same kid. Yes my friend, I'm sure if you sincerely thought about Taxes, you would see the benefits of them. Don't get me wrong here, there are a bundle of shameful uses of our tax money, politicians aren 't exactly trustworthy when it comes to other peoples money, and I truly believe the taxpayer should have more say in how it is spent, I'll guarantee if we had our say, they wouldn't be spending billions in Iraq. we have bridges that are rotting away, schools that are falling down, we need more police, more teachers, comprehensive healthcare for every "citizen", the list is long and instead were wasting our treasure in Iraq. Yes it must be nice to be fortunate like you, but you should also accept some responsibility toward society and pay a fair tax. If you have plenty, more than enough, give, it will do your heart good. peace!

I think he was talking about a having a higher sales tax but letting the income tax go. I dont know.

Terrorism is a creation of our society. It's a part of it like crime and money.

Modern terrorism was born through the horrors that these people faced. Imagine sending your child to school, they're smiling as they leave, this will be your last memory of them until you are picking up pieces of them after the school was hit with a missile. You're coming home from work, you can see your house in the distance. You smile to yourself, happy to be home. Then your house is gone; now all you can see is flames and smoke. Someone, you think it's your wife, runs out into the road screaming before falling to the ground and twitching her last. That is why it is so easy for some of these men and women to commit atrocities.

If someone killed or detrimentally hurt one of my kids I could quite easily cut off their head. Even if the perpetrator was a whole country.

Oh and taxes. I've never paid them. I don't even pay my t.v. lisence, or my water rates. I've always been a crook.

At last we have something in common. I agree that the "1st" world (US-Britian etc.) create terrorists with our foriegn policies, in the "3rd" world. We strut around professing our superiority and strength and and if you don't buy into our program, well, we'll just "bomb you back to the stone age"(Bush regeme to Musharrif") How Vane are we? Don't people of all races and nationalities have rights (inalienable). It's time to mellow out with the tough talk and start a dialogue with "3rd" world leaders. I think the rest of the world gets it, we are the baddest tough guys on the planet, we could wipe out all life on the planet in a matter of minutes. It's time to help these "3rd" world guys, instead of threatining them!

Alas, it is too late. We have stripped the very essence from the East and left them without resource when they have the richest resources in the world. Our two countries have been built on robbery. From The Queen's paid pirates to the mercanaries of today protecting those precious pipelines.
Africa and it's hills of gold, yet children in their millions are homeless and eating from vast rubbish wastelands.

Instead of spending Billions of Pounds and Dollars on the war on drugs, this is where it should go. Not give it to the African Governments though. That'd mean we'd have to take control of the country until it's on it's feet or organise some type of World Government to oversee that the monies are being spent correctly. In 10 years the African country would be reborn.

Financial liberty is being free to do what we want with our money without government interference. In a truely free society, it is none of the government's business how much money the citizen makes, how he/she makes it, or how he/she spends it, providing he/she doesn't violate the rights of another in the process. Think about it for a moment ... in the name of the progressive income tax, the federal government has a Taxpayer I.D. number on each of us from BIRTH. Because of our tax system, we must turn over our financial confession to our liege lords in Washington by April 15 of each year. Because of our tax system, the federal government has access to our bank accounts, stock accounts and any other financial data they want. Its all about governmental control. The answer? A simple sales tax.

Now, here's a shocking little factoid for most of you: Follow the concept of a heavy progressive income tax to it's tap root and you will end up at the Communist Manifesto. That's right ... the progressive tax system is Marxian in its concept.

And, who put the federal government into the charity business anyway? The Constitution does NOT allow for the redistribution of wealth by the federal government. Find the constitutional authorization if you can, then post it here. Charity begins at home. The family first, then private charities, then the church, then your friends. Sticking the gun of government to the heads of your fellow citizens for your charity is theft ... it is immoral. Theft is theft. Ask yourselves this question: If what you are asking from government were to be done by a single individual, would it be moral? Asking your government to extract, by force, the earnings from a fellow citizen for the purpose of giving it to another fellow citizen is no more moral, than if YOU took the same earnings by force yourself. Why do we consider mob force to be any less immoral than individule force?

Vi

your so right about theft, Enron, Global Crossing, etc those were corporations that took theft to a new level. You might say if an individual makes the salary of a hundred common men, is he not stealing from the common good of society, could not some less fortunate people have benefited from that money. I'm not a communist in the political sense, but a community based economy would benefit the majority. You talk about charity, yes charity is a good thing. It's just not sufficient to eliminate hunger and poverty around the world. With people as intent as you are in preserving their own wealth running our society, we will never eliminate poverty. To change the hearts of the wealthy is an extremely difficult thing. as I've postulated in this forum before, without Divine intervention, Man is destined to self destruct. The principle reasons for this are Greed and power. Power always relies on Greed to fulfill it's goal. Greed is the most inherent evil on the planet. "I've got mine, fuck you"! Nothing personal intended! As far as taxes, they are necessary to keep the infrastructure and law and order etc. Without that you would have a Few rich pricks running feudal slave rings, doling out workers to their co-conspiritors for profit and maintaining slave conditions for the workers, all leading to a revolution and the start of a law and order society. The Rich have the most to gain from law and order, otherwise a gang of poor people would uprise and kill them and take their possesions, hmmm, not a bad idea! lol. Peace! By the way I'm bored with this bantering, you are you and I am me, we don't agree on all things, mostly about wealth distribution, so peace be upon you brother and may all your days be long.

The church are worse than Government. Give money to the church? That's preposterous. The church has mountains of cash already, probably to help pay for all those young boys the Bishops appear to like so much.

Give money to the church? We should be taking it back. The church also has vast wealth that has been gleaned through robbery.

Bring on Chaos. Come on, let's take back our Countries. Start with the police stations and their armouries, half the army would be on our side due to family loyalties because as we all know the police have no such qualms with family. More than half the population of the world will die afterwards, but fuck it let's do it anyway. The meek don't deserve to survive. That is the law of nature. Maybe that was a bit harsh, but then what is life if not full of harsh reality.

Charity begins at home, then pretty much stays there. I would never give money to the church, the same way I wouldn't give money to a beggar on the street. If I were in the beggars shoes I would not, could not lower myself to ask people for money.

I agree, fuck the churches! My wife goes to church, and for her it works, she takes our grandkids to sunday school and then goes into the church and sleeps through most of the sermon, but it gives her a break from the grand kids. (we are raising our grandkids as the mother is a crackhead) It also gives me a break as I don't go. People are basically greedy and do not care enough about their fellow man to be charitable enough to keep them out of poverty. Thats why we need a social structure, call it government. This government, (U.S.) is too corupted by corporations to be effecient in providing for all it's citizens. Take Canada, there is a Government that takes it's citizens very seriously. They have a security net for needy citizens, they provide health care to all. The murder rate in canada is so negligable so as to be hardly noticed. Poverty is almost non-existent, but they have rich people also. The difference is that Canada taxes the rich and doesn't try and police the world! The U.S. defense budget is larger than 90% of foriegn countrys GNP. We are the tough guys on the block, and if you remember high school, nobody liked the tough guys! Anyway I've rambled on too much. Peace!

I have relatives in Canada and from what they tell me there are parts that could easily rival Harlem. So I suppose that those parts are solely responsible for the murder rate, so the rest of the country should be pretty much murderer free. Nice place to live, unfortunately Canada would never let someone of my character live there, nor would the U.S. come to think of it. Not that I'd want to anyway, but it would be nice to know that I could if I wanted to.

I like spiritual people, I am one myself. I just don't believe in external forces. I believe in the power of the mind, I'm just not sure how, in the future, it's all going to work.

See you are a bad ass! Can't even come for a visit. I guess we'll never meet as Britian is low on my list of travels. I tend to be more of a equatorial traveller, love the tropics!

Maybe I'll take some mescalin and float out for a visit.

You'd never make it past the white cliffs of Dover, and I really doubt that you'd even get off the ground. You'd just puke and see colors.

I was joking. Mescalin isn't a magic drug. I can imagine that 500 and odd years ago that the Indians would probably have believed it to be the case. But please...

Mescalin may have the ability to help you believe unreal things but it certainly doesn't give you the power to do them. The mind is a powerful tool, it's all about belief and KEEPING IT REAL.

If mescaline made me sick the first time then there wouldn't be a second. I have quite a strong stomach and I think the only time I remember being sick on drugs is after drinking and smoking all day, followed by taking heavy stimulants all night. I wasn't even sick when I took heroin, and not the highly cut shit from the 70's, but the 80% shit from the 90's. Smackheads, as they are known over here, were all around me throwing up. Despite this I managed to keep my stomach steady. Not bad for a first timer surrounded by full-time users.

medicinaluseonly said:

Yup, as I suspected, you're ten feet tall and bulletproof. Gee I wish I was as tough as you! Well, maybe not! Laughing at what you don't understand, I think this is a primative reaction, but when you know everything, like you, it's harder to understand! Peace!

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"Read Carlos Castenados" " The teachings of Don Juan"

Unfortunately there are still things I don't know, but none of them are fanciful ideas thought up by neanderthals. This type of thinking is archaic.

Another thing about me is I don't tell lies, not even to the police. The police are easy because you don't say anything to them anyway. Evidence gathering is hard work and the police would much rather you do their job for them. My point being that when I tell you something you can take it for fact. If that makes me 10 ft tall in your eyes then so be it.

Ah, I think I see now where the misunderstanding has come in. When I said there wouldn't be a second I meant of taking the drug, not that I wouldn't be sick. My fault, I should have read through it better. I wouldn't take the drug again if it made me retch the first time. Apologies, I should have been more succinct.

medicinaluseonly said:

"Read Carlos Castenados" " The teachings of Don Juan"

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GREAT BOOKS!!

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Vote 2 Legalize Marijuana said:

If only you would put down the weed long enough you would see Bush the way the rest of the world see's him ~ Wishy, washy, and very dumb! Damn Republicans such as yourself is why I cant get treated with Medical Marijuana. At least Gore wanted to help us disabled folk who are suffering from severe spinalcord injuries! Wake up, get off your ass and vote to legalize marijuana, oh and stop with the whining, and leave Clinton and Gore alone. Hey at least they were cool, and smoked pot too. Yes Gore toked a few in his day!

~ Dumbshits need to get off the Crack! Yo crackhead!

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You need to get your facts straight. Arrests for marijuana possession and sales SKYROCKETED under the Clintoon administration. I'm not saying that the Bush administration is any better ... but the facts don't bear your assertions out.

http://www.druglibrary.org/olsen/norml/weekly/96-10-16.html

Vi

It doesn't matter who's in power they all want to take our liberty away. They'd prefer us to be robots, doing as we're told when we're told to do it.