Al Gore

I agree about Sadam. He had control, he was and is a no good son-of-a-bitch, but he kept the crazy mullas under control. I would like to see Arak Obama get in the drivers seat of this country. problem is, the powers that be would assasinate him. They will never give up control. They will create a scare to ply the American people into giving up all their freedoms, Oh, excuse me but is not that exactly what is going on now. I can't see good winning over Evil in this world without Divine Intervention. Maybe I should believe like all the Bushies that it doesn't matter how much you fuck up the world in the name of Christ because the Rapture is coming, all I know is if there is a rapture coming, the dictator G.W. Bush will not be swept up with it. He will do his time in Hell for sure!

I agree. Although I can tell you for a fact that there is no Rapture coming. Please visit my religion thread if you would like to discuss.

For the record, I did NOT vote for G.W. Bush, nor did I vote for Bush 41. With that said, most of you sound like a bunch of DNC talking point puppets. What's the average age on this site, anyway? Someone took issue with the way Bush pronounces his words, like that's some indication of intelligence. Fer cryin' out loud, do you guys remember Lyndon Johnson and his "adorable" wife Lady Bird? They were the icons of the Queen's English, wern't they? *lol* These people are from Texas ... and Texans, well .. they speak Texan. *lol*

Vi

From what I've seen of Texans, I think we should give it back to Mexico and send all the illegal immigrants there to live. I surely think all Texan politicians should immeadiately return to Texas and never leave. I would only hope that Texas would succede from the U.S. The only good Texan I've heard of is Willie Nelson, I'm sure there are a few I've missed, But Texas politicians are retarded. Yeah I know lyndon Johnson was from Texas, Like I said, Retarded!!

I wasn't implying anything about Texans. I imagine that on average they are as intelligent as either you or I. The fact that he messes up his speeches shows that he won the election on charisma alone. Shows that he is a face that is controlled by bigger minds. Maybe this whole democracy thing is a falsehood as no matter whom the face is the people pulling the strings will be the same. Here they are called The House Of Lords.

I agree about the strings and puppets, yes democracy is an idea in your mind, it should also be a form of government of the people, by the people, for the people, In it's current form in this country, it's not. I still hold the line on Texans, They are for the most part braggarts and assholes. I hold out for a few good ones, maybe Kinky Freidman, who knows!

Man Im about to bust out the ban stick on some of you mother fuckers.

Naw man Im just kiddin with y'all.

Ease up though before you offend someone.

skunkushybrid said:

I wasn't implying anything about Texans. I imagine that on average they are as intelligent as either you or I. The fact that he messes up his speeches shows that he won the election on charisma alone. Shows that he is a face that is controlled by bigger minds. Maybe this whole democracy thing is a falsehood as no matter whom the face is the people pulling the strings will be the same. Here they are called The House Of Lords.

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Nope, what it shows is that the alternative to Bush was a Democrat. After the complete destruction of respect of the presidency caused by the Horny Hick from Arkansas, the Republicans were a shoe-in. And, sorry to tell all you liberals and Democrats this, but with the Democrat's cut & run from Iraq agenda, the Republicans are a shoe-in for the White House in '08 as well.

The Democrats have NO plan of their own. They are percieved as the cut & run party, a party that would rather fight the War on Terror closer to home. Sorry ... but that's the facts.

Vi

PS: Moderator ... political discussions can often become heated. As long as these discussions are carried on WITHOUT personal attacks, all should be well, no?

If everyone behaves this would be a good forum to discuss different views, but you are correct any personal attacks will result in a 1 day ban.

Unless it is justified

I was just kidding around. Im from Texas if that helps any.

I said there were a few exceptions, maybe your one!

You seem to miss my point. I don't care about any politicians, yours or ours. They are all equally bad. They're like commercial pop singers. They don't write their own songs or even need to sing them with any degree of skill. All they need to have is a face that can sell records.

The people pulling the strings will never change. Do you really believe in difference in Parties, the difference is so small as to be called negligible. The ones that are different don't have a chance of winning.

Hehehe you have been watching to many illuminati movies

Its true though. Our country has a habbit of electing movie stars. I bet Arnold Shwartsaneiger (SP?) will be president here soon. Its sad.

I totally agree that they are just puppets. That skull and cross bone shit is pretty freaky. From all the conspiracy movies I have watched (and thats a lot) it all points back to them running things. Both parties are controlled by them or whatever. Its way too deep for me to even begin. I only wish I had half a clue what was really going on.

But yeah if your not with "them" then your not going to win. They will make sure of that. Its funny how all of our presidents have gone to Yale. Except a small handfull. Im sure yale is a great school but its not the only great school. Wtf?

I agree about Arnold, he'd be perfect for them. Just keep him in a regular supply of nubile women and he'd do anything you asked.

Some are better than others, we should try and make the best choice possible. For example Al Gore would not have invaded Iraq, John Kerry would not have invaded Iraq, right there you would have saved over 100,000 lives, is that not a better choice. The neo-cons that put bush in power would have still been around, just not in central power, they would have been harping for war, but more intelligent leadership would have prevailed. So stick your head in the sand if you prefer, but I say if you don't vote, you've got no voice. As fruitless as it seems with all the ignorant people voting (Religious Right IE. a vote for Bush is a vote for Jesus), if you don't vote, the ignorant people prevail. Some sense is better than nonsense

i agree that voting is very important and people have fought and died for it. but youre forgetting one thing. we dont elect presidents, the electoral college decides who to instate.

Did anyone watch that video where the guy told congress or whoever that he developed election voting software. He admited to making it but wasnt sure if it was actually used. Hopefully next election they will look at all the source codes so it doesnt happen again.

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Some are better than others, we should try and make the best choice possible. For example Al Gore would not have invaded Iraq, John Kerry would not have invaded Iraq, right there you would have saved over 100,000 lives, is that not a better choice. The neo-cons that put bush in power would have still been around, just not in central power, they would have been harping for war, but more intelligent leadership would have prevailed. So stick your head in the sand if you prefer, but I say if you don't vote, you've got no voice. As fruitless as it seems with all the ignorant people voting (Religious Right IE. a vote for Bush is a vote for Jesus), if you don't vote, the ignorant people prevail. Some sense is better than nonsense

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1. You're correct. Gore and Kerry would have done absoultly nothing about 9-11, just as Clintoon did nothing about the first Trade Center bombing. Several presidencies have done nothing about terrorism against Americans, therefore convincing the terrorists that America is nothing more than a paper tiger. I doubt very much that they think that of America now. I say, take the war on terror to the terrorists and keep them away from the homeland.

2. On the contrary, denying that there are those who would destroy Western culture and capitalism if given a chance is sticking one's head into the sand. Listen to what the terrorist culture is saying. Take them seriously.

3. Are you saying that anyone who believes in Christ (Christians) is ignorant? Have you ever read anything by C.S. Lewis?

4. Why do you feel comfortable bashing Christians? How do you feel about Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Hispanics and Asians? How about the elderly, want to bash them too?

Vi

You got me wrong, I believe Gore or kerry would have gone after the terrorists, Just not Iraq. It's been proven over and over that Sadam had nothing to do with 911, nor did he have WMD or Ties to Al Queda. And as far as bashing christians, I am one. I only bash the blind obedience some of the red state Christians have to the Christian right. There is no place in Gods house for politics. "give unto Ceasar what is Ceasars and give unto God what is Gods" If you happen to believe what Bush is telling us, I'd have to say your pretty gullible. Every time he opens his mouth, lies spill out. He professes to be a Christian and lives the Devils life. I'm guessing your a super rich person and you are enjoying your tax cuts, otherwise you must not be seeing the same G.W.Bush that 67% of the American people are, I think I got about 40 bucks in tax cuts, really changed my life, hooray for Bush!

Well, my newly found old friend ... if you think the only benefit from the tax cuts was the "tax cuts for the rich" or that lousy 40 bucks you alluded to, then it is you, with all due respect, who is the deluded one.

Tax cuts in any amount are good things. They represent less money in the hands of bureaucrats and more money in the hands of the private sector. The government has no money other than what it takes from producers. Money taken from producers, then given to the tax consumers, act as a disincentive to the producers to do what? Produce! Less production means the economy suffers. But more importantly, the more money government takes out of the private sector means that the private sector (you and me) have less financial liberty. Now, here's the REAL important part: Once the citizenry loses their financial liberty, political liberty is lost as well.

Personally, I'm for the abolition of the income tax. How about you?

Vi