Advanced Nutrients Vs House and Garden Vs GH : RESULTS ARE IN !

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    OZUT

    OZUT Active Member


    I've seen your advice man and you know nothing worth passing on. Dude posted up a thread and you added to it what you though and I added what I thought. You want to get sarcastic and act like a dick, I'll call you out on it. But when I do, don't pretend to take the high road and shit like that when you can't come up with anything to say
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    OZUT

    OZUT Active Member

    The title of this thread reads Advanced Nutrients Vs House and Garden Vs GH : RESULTS ARE IN ! .... I pointed out that it wasn't a true brand comparison because the only thing changed was the base. Never said go spend the money and buy a full line up to do a true comparison. That's just crazy.

    My comment that you quoted was a response to Homebrewer and his comment about "If a base nute line isn't representative of particular brand, then I don't know what is. :roll:" Obviously the implication is the base nute is a representative of a particular brand and an enitre brand can be judged by just the base...That's just wrong man...
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    purplehazin

    purplehazin Well-Known Member

    Looks like he specifically lists what he used. That would be a big title if he listed it all out there... :peace:
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    OZUT

    OZUT Active Member

    Yes he did. He tried to duplicate everything as much as possible for accurate results. He listed 3 line ups of nutrients he used on 3 different trays. He kept everything the same except for his base nutes. He posted up his results in the end. It was a great experiment and a great report. Dlively gets reps for running this experiment. However, he did not compare AN vs H&G vs GH. He compared their bases but he didn't compare their lines. That's all I'm saying.
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    frenetic420

    frenetic420 Member

    were the 4x4 tables separated? if you have 3 tables next to each other all with a 1000 watt light above. The middle table will produce a much larger yield no matter what nutes are used, because of all the extra light it is receiving from the sides.
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    homebrewer

    homebrewer Well-Known Member

    So just because you can't understand a simple side-by-side-by side comparison, I'm the dick? ;) It's simple and straight forward and if you don't agree with the method, there is plenty of room on this board to post your own. Get to it!
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    OZUT

    OZUT Active Member

    wow man...you're so far out there that it's just sad.
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    Harrekin

    Harrekin Well-Known Member

    Dude, come on, no need to be a dick. At least hes trying, running experiments, what are you doing? Jumping onto his thread being a dick. How about you lay off and try improve on it yourself? That is how science works. ;)
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    dlively11

    dlively11 Well-Known Member

    Well put. I switched from soil to hydro only about a year ago. I was sold on AN only because it was supposed to have this PH perfect etc etc. Turns out despite all their ads in mags and the net that it isnt out even now a year later. I wanted to avoid PH meters PPM meters etc and just have it be very easy. Used thier entire line up and spent tons of $$. I then found that H&G was almost half the cost for their A & B and thought I would compare those. Then a kid that works at the local hydro shop turned me on to the GH Maxibloom and said it worked better then anything else they had in the shop when used full strength and with Floralicous plus. I didnt beleive it but he swore up and down so I added this to my comparisons. Been running all three at the same time for a long time. Still am in fact. They all work great but the fact that the GH powder is the cheapest PLUS it gives me the best results make it a clear winner for me. Tired of paying for the water they mix their nutes in and fancy labels. These powders work !! FYI funny thing is AN even admits you are paying way more for water with their Big Bud. I called them and they flat o0ut told me the BB Powder worked exactly the same as their liquid that costs twice as much. Same exact thing but pre-diluted . Mileage may vary but for me it is an easy choice right now. I am not buying any more H&G or AN. In fact I have half of two 5 gallon jugs left of the H&G I dont think I am even going to use because the Maxibloom is giving me a noticeable improvement over it. Already gave my last packet of Shooting powder to a friend.
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    dlively11

    dlively11 Well-Known Member

    Yes each has its own light centered. Rotated nutes from each tray each round just to make sure the air wasnt better or that one ballast wasnt better then another. Removed the variables in other words.
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    OZUT

    OZUT Active Member

    How am I being a dick to Dlively? I think it was cool he took the time to run an experiment. I think it was great he posted his results. I think more people should do stuff like that. Only thing I disagreed with about the experiment is that it wasn't really AN vs H&G vs GH but that it was the bases of those 3 nutes being compared. My back and forth is with Homebrewer and no one else. Go back and read Post#22 and it might make more sense.
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    dlively11

    dlively11 Well-Known Member

    You might have missed it in a previous post but I did in fact use the entire AN and H&G lineup for a full round or two each as well. They simply did not perform any better then the cheapo route I am running now. In fact they didnt perform as well. Saying the base nutes arent a fair representation of a product line , to me, is like saying you tried racing three different cars from three different car companies all with the same aftermarket supercharger added to them but it isnt a fair comparison of the brands. The base nute is the engine the additives are the power adders IE supercharger. Hope that makes sense, I am a car guy too =)
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    OZUT

    OZUT Active Member

    Yes and no...I agree the base is very important if not the most important part of a line up. But to judge an entire brand based on just the base is kind of wrong in my opinion. For the longest time, I used Roots Organic. Their buddha grow was amazing. I switched to H&G and the first thing I noticed was the base wasn't really giving me the results I was getting from the buddha grow during veg. But at the end, H&G gave me a much much better quality bud and a much better yield. That's why I won't judge the entire line on just the base. My experience showed me that the top booster, bud xl and the shooting powder work together very well with the base nutes to give me what I want.

    Take for instance AN. Their line up calls for carbs to be added but the H&G doesn't. Difference is the H&G has it as part of it's base whereas AN doesn't. I personally don't care for AN. They're overpriced because they divide up everything you need and sell it individually. Like the Phirana and Tarantula. Instead of buying both, I go with Great White. Much better and costs less than half for the same thing if not a better thing.

    I'm sure there are a lot of other combinations or nutrients which will probably work better than H&G, AN or whatever other brand you want to name. I've personally mixed and matched the different brands and settled on H&G with a couple of changes. They're not cheap but they're not overpriced either considering one purchase will take you through maybe 2 or 3 harvests depending on the size of your harvest.
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    dlively11

    dlively11 Well-Known Member

    They all seem good I was just very surprised to see the super cheapo powder yield better and have little better quality then the other two.
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    blazingtimes

    blazingtimes Member

    I admit it, this is a fascinating post to read. I think this is certainly going to turn some heads.

    I do have a problem with just using the base nutrients in the test, though I do admit to only using base nutes sometimes.

    My only concern is that (for me anyway), this other system is hard to find and it's also more complicated. To me, it seems like a wonder drug that no one can get...what a tease. However, I can get Advanced Nutrients, and they work just fine for me.

    Should be interested to see what happens with other nutrients or others who chime in with their setup.

    thanks for posting this...always good to see people who are willing to show what they find, rather than just talk sh*t about some nutes and don't have the proof to back it up......
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    DEEPROOTS

    DEEPROOTS Active Member

    GH npk numbers are up there with miracle grow. There is a reason to use the whole line of products it feeds what it needs when it needs it all these products have feeding charts for a reason to get maximum efficiency. Use jacks classic plus the additives and you will probably get even better results its a 20-20-20 GH 5-14-15 AN 5.8-4.6-8.8 house and garden 10-4-10 if you use the AN line it will recieve much need nutes down the line when they need it.

    Not to take away from your experiment i enjoyed reading about what you did. Its not easy and takes alot of time and effort to do what you did. I could not do it great job!!
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    yocinfluence

    yocinfluence Member

    Highly untrue. I use products from all different lines because they all have their better products... just because AN's base isn't as good isn't to say when u start adding their bud blood and big bud and overdrive you arn't going to get better results then the gh equivilent. I actually mix and match my products which ultimately proves my point. (bud blood & big bud are great products from AN. House and Garden has shooting powerder and bud XL which are really good also so why would i use overdrive when i can get a better product from a different company?) I mix and match a lot of products to get the best results. Ever get a chance to try some house and garden's root excelurator I suggest you do its the best on the market.
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    hooked.on.ponics

    hooked.on.ponics Well-Known Member

    Why do people keep posting this? It's obvious to anyone that actually bothers to READ it that it's simply not registered there.

    There's nothing wrong with the nutrients, AN simply hasn't filed for "permission" to sell them there. What do you think "unregistered product" means?

    I agree, it's not a true test of the lines, just specific products of the lines. And I've seen other people get different results. Truly scientific results are repeatable.

    I'm not trying to criticize here, this is definitely a cool thing to do and we need more people doing this kind of thing, but how about some pictures? That would go a long way towards alleviating some of the skepticism.
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    homebrewer

    homebrewer Well-Known Member

    You people that are criticizing this experiment make me laugh. You cannot grow healthy plants on 'additives' alone, you need the base nutes. No one is arguing against that point but that just goes to show how critical the base nutes are. Why are the base nutes so critical? Because those base nutes will contain 90-95% of the essentials and if your 'line' requires you to buy 10 more products in order to get good results, well your base nutes suck.

    For those of you who want to expand on this experiment to encompass nute lines, then challenge me and start your own thread. I'll use a DynaGro line or a GH line, it doesn't really matter either way ;). The over-priced nutes will lose every time.
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    yocinfluence

    yocinfluence Member

    The products are suposed to be used in a set that's what you guys fail to realize. YES IT COSTS MORE. But it gets better results... Everyone knows you cant grow plants on additive alone but when they are meant to be used with a set and u don't use them of course you are not going to get the results expected. I've gone through tons of nutrients and i think the gh base nutes are just fine and i do use them for my outdoor (cause they are cheap and effective) but to base ur experiment solely on that and to write off AN and House and Garden is stupid. Use the whole sets and compare them then we will see who comes out on top. As a base nutrient line comparison ok... as a nutrient line comparison this doesn't work..
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