Advanced Nutrient: Connoisseur A/B + organic combo (huge buds!)

The Elvis · Dec 14, 2015

Ive never used con because i feel like its not much different than AN Bloom. Also I stopped using AN Grow because i get the same results using AN bloom in veg.
I also use ryno skin for the silaca, and it really gets my side branches going..voodoo juice is killer, and so is overdrive.. I can just bloom with over drive no need for big bud.. just overdrive and molasses cal+mag.. Thats a 100 gram NLxBB auto @80 days from sprout..world of seeds..

Her sister..

budman111 · Dec 14, 2015

Not GOP said:
I paid 22$ for the connoisseur a&b.

What amount did you get for that price? 250ml?

Not GOP said:
connoisseur should only be used by experienced growers who have had good results with Sensi.

That's funny because it is marketed as fool proof "pH perfect". OBEM

Doogan · Dec 14, 2015

budman111 said:
What amount did you get for that price? 250ml?

That's funny because it is marketed as fool proof "pH perfect". OBEM

Connoisseur A&B is very simple to use. I don't pH mine at all. Just EC (x500) check. The price is right as well. Equal parts A & B every feeding according to your flowering times. It really is fool proof. In the past using Vegamatrix vs. Conno showed that with the ease of use, accurate dosing and price; Connoisseur was best suited. The Vegamatrix is a multi part and from experience the dosing on the Vegamatrix was not on par. Vegamatrix, I used more than the max dose and in turn it was more expensive with out a real bang for the buck.

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1L Part A --- $14.36 (15% off)

budman111 · Dec 14, 2015

Doogan said:
Connoisseur A&B is very simple to use

And very expensive to use too. OBEM.

Not GOP · Dec 14, 2015

budman111 said:
What amount did you get for that price? 250ml?

500ml of A&B. So 1 liter total. They don't make it in 250ml. As far as I know, that size is just for additives

budman111 said:
That's funny because it is marketed as fool proof "pH perfect". OBEM

No it's not. According to AN:

Warning: Why pH Perfect Connoisseur May Not Be The Right Fit For You…

There are certain people who are not yet ready for pH Perfect Connoisseur…

pH Perfect Connoisseur is not for the grower who has been growing for less than 1 year …

pH Perfect Connoisseur is not for the grower who has not dialed in his growing environment (lights, temperature, grow & bloom cycles, pest control, etc)…

pH Perfect Connoisseur is not for the grower who is struggling to get great results from other pH Perfect Base nutrients (all pH Perfect Base Nutrients are already dialed in to give great plant specific results – you should already be getting great results with pH Perfect Sensi for example before trying pH Perfect Connoisseur).

In other words: only experienced growers should use this unique formulation.

budman111 · Dec 14, 2015

They also said that you have to be an expert to give Microbial fungi supplements but you only have to be a hobbyist to feed carbohydrates to them, they said Kushy Kush will grow 'Kush' better, they also said that with AN Bud Candy you will smell better flowers within minutes of feeding it to your plants, they dis ALL other plant food companies.............want lots more?

BobCajun · Dec 14, 2015

From what I've read, plant roots don't absorb sugar well. Here's one page with some information. The title says it's about plants absorbing starch but it also discusses sugar. Point being that such products are probably a waste of money at best. About AN nutes, they seem to work well enough but the pH perfect feature doesn't seem to work very well. It still rises to a good 6.8 and needs phosphoric acid to bring it back down. It wasn't with tap water either, deionized. The pH perfect thing may help somewhat but you certainly can't rely on it, in my experience.

My guess is that some people get better results with it because of the Wet Betty and humic/fulvic acid in it and possibly the amino acids. You could probably just buy those separately and add them to any other brand of nutes that doesn't have them and it would cost less. With AN you pay for the convenience of having them all premixed. Maybe it's worth it to you, maybe not.

homebrewer · Dec 14, 2015

Not GOP said:
I'm not sure what type of homebrewer test you are referring to, but connoisseur should only be used by experienced growers who have had good results with Sensi. conn is very sensative, difficult to dial in, and should not be applied the same way as other brand name nutes. Careless feeding will leave you with low yielding and leafy crops

It's a 2 part system with both parts being used in equal amounts. What's so hard to 'dial in'? It wrecked my plants in hydro and is just another piece of AN garbage marketed to beginners who don't know any better.

Doogan · Dec 15, 2015

BobCajun said:
From what I've read, plant roots don't absorb sugar well. Here's one page with some information. The title says it's about plants absorbing starch but it also discusses sugar. Point being that such products are probably a waste of money at best. About AN nutes, they seem to work well enough but the pH perfect feature doesn't seem to work very well. It still rises to a good 6.8 and needs phosphoric acid to bring it back down. It wasn't with tap water either, deionized. The pH perfect thing may help somewhat but you certainly can't rely on it, in my experience.

My guess is that some people get better results with it because of the Wet Betty and humic/fulvic acid in it and possibly the amino acids. You could probably just buy those separately and add them to any other brand of nutes that doesn't have them and it would cost less. With AN you pay for the convenience of having them all premixed. Maybe it's worth it to you, maybe not.

Starch is a sugar. It is a complex carbohydrate.

BobCajun · Dec 15, 2015

Doogan said:
Starch is a sugar. It is a complex carbohydrate.

Yes, and is insoluble in water, which is why plants use it to store energy. Nothing I've read so far indicates that plants can absorb any significant amount of soluble sugars through their roots. They can absorb it through the cut edge of a leaf fairly well apparently, but that would obviously not be a practical delivery method. The only way that actually works is to inject it under steady pressure through a needle in the stem. There are a few reports around of people doing that with Cannabis plants.

Doogan · Dec 15, 2015

BobCajun said:
Yes, and is insoluble in water, which is why plants use it to store energy. Nothing I've read so far indicates that plants can absorb any significant amount of soluble sugars through their roots. They can absorb it through the cut edge of a leaf fairly well apparently, but that would obviously not be a practical delivery method. The only way that actually works is to inject it under steady pressure through a needle in the stem. There are a few reports around of people doing that with Cannabis plants.

That is awesome! I know that mature or older leaves produce sugars for the plant to use. During the mid bud time is when the plant utilizes the most sugars. Feeding the plant sugars to the roots however, gives the bacteria carbs for their digestive processes. As far as "sweetening" the buds...that is debated. The bacteria will assist in the breakdown of the sugars. The rate of uptake that the plant has is a genetic trait. Some strains will use more than others....

az2000 · Dec 15, 2015

BobCajun said:
Yes, and is insoluble in water, which is why plants use it to store energy. Nothing I've read so far indicates that plants can absorb any significant amount of soluble sugars through their roots. They can absorb it through the cut edge of a leaf fairly well apparently, but that would obviously not be a practical delivery method. The only way that actually works is to inject it under steady pressure through a needle in the stem. There are a few reports around of people doing that with Cannabis plants.

My understanding is that starch/sugar/carbs feed the soil biology alleviating the plant from secreting sugars to do the job. See:

This mutualistic association provides the fungus with relatively constant and direct access to carbohydrates, such asglucose and sucrose.[5] The carbohydrates are translocated from their source (usually leaves) to root tissue and on to the plant's fungal partners. In return, the plant gains the benefits of the mycelium's higher absorptive capacity for water and mineral nutrients due to the large surface area of fungal hyphae, which are much finer than plant roots, thus improving the plant's mineral absorption capabilities.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycorrhiza#Sugar-water.2Fmineral_exchange

I give a pinch of sugar (1/16th tsp) in every gallon starting in veg.

BobCajun · Dec 15, 2015

az2000 said:
My understanding is that starch/sugar/carbs feed the soil biology alleviating the plant from secreting sugars to do the job. See:

I give a pinch of sugar (1/16th tsp) in every gallon starting in veg.

Oh, I thought they were trying to feed the plants themselves with the sugar. Guess it does make some sense then. Thanks.

az2000 · Dec 15, 2015

BobCajun said:
Oh, I thought they were trying to feed the plants themselves with the sugar. Guess it does make some sense then. Thanks.

I know what you mean. I'm sure some people think that's what they're doing. It seems like a matter of perspective. By feeding the soil biology it stimulates the availability of nutrients. It's feeding the plant indirectly? Maybe alleviating the plant from having to excrete sugars from the roots to do it (if the plant doesn't have to do that as much to get the return-on-investment from the microbes, that's like feeding the plant.).

Everyone's right!

Doogan · Dec 15, 2015

I do know that Molasses is a more raw form of glucose than granulated or confectioners sugar. These sugars crystallize (0.25-0.5mm). Molasses isn't as sweet since there is less sucrose in it from the repeated caramelization. Blackstrap molasses is the last of the sugars to come out of this process and therefore has the least sucrose, with a more uniform appearance than other sugars from this caramelization. It is also higher in acidity than other sugars. Molasses also has many micro and macro nutrients. Molasses also helps to fend off pathogens in the substrate. It allows for good bacteria to thrive and not let it become aerobic. Like a fish tank floor bed....a stale pocket can form that has no active biological activity or lack of "flow" in that area can cause the bacteria to become toxic.

rob333 · Dec 15, 2015

advanced nutes is so dear but hey its the price u pay to support an owner of a nute commpany so he can fucks kids

PNWgrower · Dec 18, 2015

So many advanced nutrients haters. I bought my conny for $21 for veg and $22 for bloom. 2 liters of each. Maybe you all just get hustled by grow shop owners. I've used fox farms for years. Giving it a try this time.

Not GOP · Dec 18, 2015

budman111 said:
They also said that you have to be an expert to give Microbial fungi supplements but you only have to be a hobbyist to feed carbohydrates to them, they said Kushy Kush will grow 'Kush' better, they also said that with AN Bud Candy you will smell better flowers within minutes of feeding it to your plants, they dis ALL other plant food companies.............want lots more?

Let me put it in context for you. The scale from hobbyist to grand master level has little to do with how difficult it is to use each individual product. New levels are added not substituted as you go down the chart, beginning with the essential nutrients first, (hobbyist) down to the bottom (grand master) which includes the less important products. The reason why levels get harder, is because the more stuff mixed in the water; the more difficult it can be to control ppm and pH levels for inexperienced growers.

budman111 · Dec 18, 2015

Not GOP said:
Let me put it in context for you. The scale from hobbyist to grand master level has little to do with how difficult it is to use each individual product. New levels are added not substituted as you go down the chart, beginning with the essential nutrients first, (hobbyist) down to the bottom (grand master) which includes the less important products. The reason why levels get harder, is because the more stuff mixed in the water; the more difficult it can be to control ppm and pH levels for inexperienced growers.

Quit patronizing me, The 'Bigger Yield System' (ROTFLMFAO) is convoluted as fuck and is for kids and retards, which begs the question here, which one are you? My cash is on both

a mongo frog · Dec 18, 2015

Not GOP said:
Let me put it in context for you. The scale from hobbyist to grand master level has little to do with how difficult it is to use each individual product. New levels are added not substituted as you go down the chart, beginning with the essential nutrients first, (hobbyist) down to the bottom (grand master) which includes the less important products. The reason why levels get harder, is because the more stuff mixed in the water; the more difficult it can be to control ppm and pH levels for inexperienced growers.

Whats grand master? I don't get it.

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