Abrahamic Religions and Altered Consciousness- what's the deal?

bluto392

Active Member
Something that confounds me all the time is the aversion the three religions of the Bible have to altered consciousness. It seems to be almost unconscious, cloaked in Drug War propaganda.

But, when the discussion of legalization turns to legalizing non- psychoactive marijuana products, resistance melts away (for the most part).

I guess my question is, is there something in the bible or monotheism which forbids altered consciousness?
 

WeedFreak78

Well-Known Member
It's a matter of control. People who open their minds to thought, whether through drugs, meditation, etc are more likely to question established doctrine or rule. People who have any type of power know that is potentially dangerous, for if the truth is found out, their scam collapses. Religions who approve, or acknowledge the use of mind expanding drugs, generally, aren't looking to control people.
 

darkzero

Well-Known Member
I agree with freak Modern day religion is a control institution, if you trip off a lot of stuff in the Bible tho werent most of the people in an altered state half the time when they had a visit from God, or Angels.
 

justugh

Well-Known Member
Something that confounds me all the time is the aversion the three religions of the Bible have to altered consciousness. It seems to be almost unconscious, cloaked in Drug War propaganda.

But, when the discussion of legalization turns to legalizing non- psychoactive marijuana products, resistance melts away (for the most part).

I guess my question is, is there something in the bible or monotheism which forbids altered consciousness?
yes and no
yes it is implied not too....... no it is not forbidden out right

the implied part is due to pagans druids and other older religions .......where they would use something to alter the mind to allow them to talk with god/gods (besides the drugs for the mind altering facts they would also use sex for the chemicals released during the act) it is one of the reasons that the church are uptight about sex .......they are only path to god (u can not make a personal connection with out the church)

i know a preacher i kind of got involved with his daughter ....southern baptist move to KJV so it is a pretty decent look at the book ........nothing saying u can not do it infact the old fall back is genesis 1-29
http://biblehub.com/genesis/1-29.htm

tho it does say be careful about using it losing control demons puppet your ass .(i do not know where that is they just told me it)
 

tyler.durden

Well-Known Member
Something that confounds me all the time is the aversion the three religions of the Bible have to altered consciousness. It seems to be almost unconscious, cloaked in Drug War propaganda.

But, when the discussion of legalization turns to legalizing non- psychoactive marijuana products, resistance melts away (for the most part).

I guess my question is, is there something in the bible or monotheism which forbids altered consciousness?
It doesn't seem that the Bible contains specific instructions on drugs per se, probably because there wasn't many to choose from in the Bronze Age. It seems that there are references to MJ. But, different sects currently look upon all drugs in different ways. IOW, they are as split on this issue as they are on almost any other issue...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_drugs#Christianity

Christianity
Many Christian denominations disapprove of the use of most illicit drugs. There are some suggestions that the Bible may refer to it.

The primary advocate of a religious use of cannabis plant in early Judaism was Sula Benet also called Sara Benetowa a Polish anthropologist, (1903–1982), who claimed (1967) that the plant kaneh bosm קְנֵה-בֹשֶׂם mentioned five times in the Hebrew Bible, and used in the holy anointing oil of the Book of Exodus, was in fact cannabis. [26] The Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church confirmed it as a possible valid interpretation.[27] The lexicons of Hebrew and dictionaries of plants of the Bible such as by Michael Zohary (1985), Hans Arne Jensen (2004) and James A. Duke (2010) and others identify the plant in question as either Acorus calamus or Cymbopogon citratus.[28] Kaneh-bosm is listed as an incense in the Old Testament. It is generally held by academics specializing in the archaeology and paleobotany of Ancient Israel, and those specializing in the lexicography of the Hebrew Bible that cannabis is not documented or mentioned in early Judaism. Against this some popular writers[29] have argued that there is evidence for religious use of cannabis in the Hebrew Bible, although this hypothesis and some of the specific case studies (e.g., John Allegro in relation to Qumran, 1970) have been "widely dismissed as erroneous" (Merlin, 2003).[30] Many Christian denominations permit the moderate use of socially and legally acceptable drugs like alcohol, caffeine and tobacco. Some Christian denominations permit smoking tobacco, while others disapprove of it. Many denominations do not have any official stance on drug use, some more-recent Christian denominations (e.g. Mormons, Seventh-day Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses) discourage or prohibit the use of any of these substances.

Because Jesus and many Biblical figures drank wine, most Christian denominations do not require teetotalism. In fact, Catholicism in particular encourages the consumption of wine during the sacrament of the Eucharist. In the Eucharist, wine represents (or among Christians who believe in some form of Real Presence, like the Catholic, Lutheran and Orthodox churches, actually is) the blood of Christ. Lutherans believe in the real presence of the body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist, [31][32] that the body and blood of Christ are "truly and substantially present in, with and under the forms" [33][34] of the consecrated bread and wine (the elements), so that communicants orally eat and drink the holy body and blood of Christ Himself as well as the bread and wine (cf. Augsburg Confession, Article 10) in this Sacrament. [35][36] The Lutheran doctrine of the Real Presence is more accurately and formally known as "the Sacramental Union." [37] It has been inaccurately called "consubstantiation", a term which is specifically rejected by most Lutheran churches and theologians. [38]

On the other hand, some Protestant Christian denominations, such as Baptists and Methodists associated with the temperance movement, encourage or require teetotalism. In some Protestant denomination, grape juice or non-alcoholic wine is used in place of wine to represent the blood of Christ.

The best known Western prohibition against alcohol happened in the United States in the 1920s, where concerned prohibitionists were worried about its dangerous side effects. However, the demand for alcohol remained and criminals stepped in and created the supply. The consequences of organized crime and the popular demand for alcohol, led to alcohol being legalized again.
 
Top