A plea to the AZ-MMJ community.
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Dignan Redux
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You have got to be kidding me. If you're going to use google in an attempt to make it look like you know the history of strains, at least do a better job of it. Williams Wonder is an heirloom strain from the Pacific Northwest that was first released in seed form by SSSC in '87. Stone Mountain Wellness is a club that sold Wms buds to someone who wrote a review online, which is what you found by googling.
I claim no rights to the strain and don't care at all if other people have it. What I care about is who has it when it was a gift from me. I would be equally annoyed if I gave you $50 for groceries for your family and you took it and spent it on cigarettes and beer. Like I said, good people are welcome to my genetics. The knee-jerk responses to my post demonstrate why I don't share with just anybody. I would be really bummed if I gifted to someone the plants and seeds I've put love into only to log into some online cannabis forum to find the person treating others the way some of you are. It's only spreading love when the next person is passing on love and not hate.
Stinkbait
Well-Known Member
You made me ruin my 69th post! Fuck I was savin that one lol.
Dude all i'm sayin is your getting upset over who he gives this plant to. That's funny... Once you give that plant up you gotta kinda expect it to fall into peoples hands that you wouldnt smoke with sometimes. There are bad apples in every bunch but you sure are dulling out a lot of judgement.
So, unless you created this plant you kinda have no say in most peoples eyes. Get over it dude.
Dude all i'm sayin is your getting upset over who he gives this plant to. That's funny... Once you give that plant up you gotta kinda expect it to fall into peoples hands that you wouldnt smoke with sometimes. There are bad apples in every bunch but you sure are dulling out a lot of judgement.
So, unless you created this plant you kinda have no say in most peoples eyes. Get over it dude.
Bird Gymnastics
New Member
I have never given anything to AZCS. From my understanding, with the people that work there, it was you that gave them that cut. They said they had your "Cordelia" (you might of called it different but I remember from the genealogy of that plant as your cordelia) we were not taking cuts and spreading it around, my buddy got it from the person you originally got it from, we traded some of our genetics for that plant and in turn keep a mother around of the WMS so he can have access to that strain at all times. When people tell me to keep a strain exclusive I always have, but with your WMS we were never given that notion. I am sorry for the disappointment. If I could make amends , let me know.
str8sativa
Well-Known Member
sorry!!!!! i was the first perp in spreading the forbidden fruit and i knew the conditions dont banish him from the garden of eden. he is still holding it against me to this day
Bill Hayes
Active Member
beautifully said sir
Bill Hayes
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we use Delta 9 and AZ Med Testing so we have two independent sources
Bird Gymnastics
New Member
There is the truth about the WMS. I hope my orange stays true to the people I shared it with. Dignan, I feel the disappointment you do especially when thinking you can trust someone. Feeling bad about this situation..its great to have genetics for just us growers that can appreciate the history and pure dankness about those strains. I know how to keep stuff to myself and then give gifts to those IMO "worthy." if you ever want to talk genetics I'd be grateful to hear what you have to say about certain ones I've acquired. Much respect!
I never knew the actual history behind this, kinda makes me wonder...you really know your stuff
MurshDawg
Active Member
It was not my intent to start any kind of argument. I have loads of folk sharing genetics with me and vice versa. I am just really new to all of it and couldn't understand for the life of me why any grower would be upset over who has what strain and how it was acquired. though it's probably not that good; I have heard of a clone only strain called FFA that was shared like a two dollar Saigon whore. What seperates strains like that from heirloom strains like Willie's Wonder. Though I understand why a grower would want to be wary of who he shares his choice genetics with; I am not sure if I completely agree. Maybe I'll have a different thought when I get some decent genetics passed to me with a "no pass on" clause. Until then I really would like another explanation (from bird if possible) one that doesn't involve money and is a tad more holistic in it's explanation.
Bird Gymnastics
New Member
Well where do I begin without offending anyone. Please take this post with the upmost respect, I feel everyone deserves great genetics it's just some don't know how to use them. Let me elaborate; most people in this industry are here for the money, and some are here for the love. Until a grower has a certainty as to what another growers purpose is, then that is when these "elite" genetics are shared. Most pro growers have "personal" strains and in order to keep them "elite" you can't have it flooding the market. In California, from my experience, you have to "earn" these "elite" strains. Money is obsolete to growers with these "special" or "elite"strains so why give it to every Tom, Dick, and Harry? Like I mentioned before, you have to know someone before sharing, Tom and Dick might want them for themselves and for the love of the strain, but Harry is in it for the money, so if he can receive $1000 per clone then he will continue to clone making this strain like every other strain. I'm not saying Harry is in the wrong, but everyone has their own purpose. Put yourself in a breeders shoes...if you spent years (im talking 5-10) to make the perfect strain FOR YOURSELF and it did come out perfect, would you be sharing it with everyone? After all the time, energy and even money put into a project like that, would you want just anyone to own it? Probably not; with that being said, I only share the ones I have personally grown. If a breeder asks me not to clone out his strain then I do so. Just respect for the common man. It's kinda like taking your shoes off before entering a home, if the owner asks that of you, respect it, otherwise dont enter their home.
Bird Gymnastics
New Member
Not every breeder wants the whole world to have it...kinda like a secret underground city. If everyone knew about it, it would constantly be overcrowded but if you keep it to those close to you and to yourself, you never have to worry about an influx in population.
fatboyOGOF
Well-Known Member
i'd hire him!
MurshDawg
Active Member
Best Answer Ever! Through exclusivity you aim to combat greed. That is essentially what I got out of it. If I am wrong in that reiteration, please correct me.
Where you been old man I was wondering about ya a couple days ago.
I want a JTR male. Please pretty please....we have males available at request but only once a month
fatboyOGOF
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i rarely post anymore. i pop in and out! i'm sitting here looking at my 4 bags of soil, 32 seedlings and my smart pots and thinking, maybe i'll put it off until tomorrow...
BeaverHuntr
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I finally swept and cleaned my grow room.i rarely post anymore. i pop in and out! i'm sitting here looking at my 4 bags of soil, 32 seedlings and my smart pots and thinking, maybe i'll put it off until tomorrow...