8K Watt DYNAGRO Multi-Strain/Perpetual

IN33DW33D

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Also, I keep having deficiency's in my plants, as in the plant isn't 100% green. Is this from pH fluctuations? Should I make sure pH is at 5.8 more than every 12 hours? I just put it 5.8 once a day, should I do this more?
 

TruenoAE86coupe

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Always keep your ph tip wet, i use a sponge.
And calibrate it every single time before you use it, not just now and then. You would be amazed how far these things get off.
I believe you have another culprit for your ph issues, i highly doubt its the nutrient. I would start with the meter and go from there.
 

somedude247

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I said in my last post the deficiencies are from nute lockout caused by the ph fluctuations. Thats easy. The hard part is still why you are having ph issues to start with. Well water with a ppm of 60 and a ph of 9 could be a place to start. Have you had your water tested? maybe DG dont like something in your water. I have well water and a ppm of 400 and a ph of 7.0 with mostly lime in mine and things work great. I barely add any ph down with light feedings and nail it on 5.8 with heavy feedings and no ph adjustments.
 

IN33DW33D

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I said in my last post the deficiencies are from nute lockout caused by the ph fluctuations. Thats easy. The hard part is still why you are having ph issues to start with. Well water with a ppm of 60 and a ph of 9 could be a place to start. Have you had your water tested? maybe DG dont like something in your water. I have well water and a ppm of 400 and a ph of 7.0 with mostly lime in mine and things work great. I barely add any ph down with light feedings and nail it on 5.8 with heavy feedings and no ph adjustments.
How do I fix nute lockout. How do I know when it's there.

Another noobie question. What is salt buildup and how can I see it? I got this one girl I changed the res probably 3 times the whole grow and I have not seen anything out of the ordinary? Old brown water one time that's about it..

Yes I paid lots of money to have it tested but they didn't give me any specific results, all they said was your water is good. lol
 

panhead

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Your problem isnt a ph problem ,trying to keep the ph at a perfect 5.8 isnt going to help anything,whats fuking you up is where your steady adding nutes or protek every day.

Why are you adding nutes to the top off water in the 1st place ? Thete is alot that isnt making sense here,the ppm values you listed dont sound right either,ive never seen a strain that 500 ppm will fry.

You also list your well water ppm at 60 ! a normal low ppm from well water would be anything under 300,to have a well putting out 60 ppm water is unheard of, unless the well has a water softener & a ro system.

Something isnt right,how are you commimg up with the ppm values your giving us ?
 

somedude247

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How do I fix nute lockout. How do I know when it's there.

Another noobie question. What is salt buildup and how can I see it? I got this one girl I changed the res probably 3 times the whole grow and I have not seen anything out of the ordinary? Old brown water one time that's about it..

Yes I paid lots of money to have it tested but they didn't give me any specific results, all they said was your water is good. lol
Fixing it will happen when you fix the ph problem. A trait of lockout is low ppm burning or what appears to be anyways. You really shouldnt have salt buildup with low ppm DG but it usually happens when your ph stays high or low for some time. Im not really seeing anything obvious that would cause your problems. Try mixing a batch without the protek. I leaning towards expired nutes.
 

TruenoAE86coupe

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I dont think dyna-gro goes bad. And i would never go without the pro-tekt, even with another nutrient line, that stuff is awesome.
 

IN33DW33D

Active Member
Your problem isnt a ph problem ,trying to keep the ph at a perfect 5.8 isnt going to help anything,whats fuking you up is where your steady adding nutes or protek every day.

Why are you adding nutes to the top off water in the 1st place ? Thete is alot that isnt making sense here,the ppm values you listed dont sound right either,ive never seen a strain that 500 ppm will fry.

You also list your well water ppm at 60 ! a normal low ppm from well water would be anything under 300,to have a well putting out 60 ppm water is unheard of, unless the well has a water softener & a ro system.

Something isnt right,how are you commimg up with the ppm values your giving us ?
I add back gro every day because the ppms drop from 200 to 100 every day.

Okay, IDK why my well water is at 60, but it is. I had it checked and they said it was good water. That's all I know.

So I got my 60 ppm water. I put about 7mL protekt in it to hit around 90ppm usually. Then I bump that 90ppm up to around 150 with grow. I started my clones out at 200 and they burned up to shit and basically died. It's been 2 weeks and they just started to show growth again.

Right now I've got 5 clones at 100ppm with ONLY gro. PPM and pH has been relatively stable but if I go any more than 100ppms the plants will burn.
 

IN33DW33D

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So when my PPM's go from 250-150 in 12 hours, should I add back bloom and protekt or just bloom? Do I only use the protekt once for the initial res setup? I was using it before to pH back up my water every day but there was alot of red spots on my leaves and some other things that made me believe that caused a potassium toxicity. So I stopped using protekt every time I added water.
 

TruenoAE86coupe

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You should check your ppms and ph once a week imo, you are fucking things up by constantly trying to add things.
Let them eat up what they can, dump the water at the end of the week and start over fresh. I believe you are fighting yourself more than anything here.
 

IN33DW33D

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You should check your ppms and ph once a week imo, you are fucking things up by constantly trying to add things.
Let them eat up what they can, dump the water at the end of the week and start over fresh. I believe you are fighting yourself more than anything here.
If I go more than 2 days without checking anything, there will be like 90ppm and 3.6 pH......
 

TruenoAE86coupe

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but if you didn't check you wouldnt know!
if your ph is dropping like that you need to start over from the start.
I would take and set up a dwc bucket with plant, just water and nutes, and see what it does. Monitor this daily, but adjust nothing. If this differs terribly from the one with the plant (other than nute uptake) then odds are you have some sort of disease.
If you are dropping 250-90 ppm in 2 days your plants are starving and trying to eat everything they can out of the water.
 

IN33DW33D

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Here some dyna gro plants at my ppms. I always advocate what works for others might not work for you, but DynaGro for me has been the best and by far the easiest nute program I have used in 5+ years. IMO your issues don't look all that bad, to me it looks like deficiences from lack of ppm in your water..ie food for the plant.

Here is what I started from and it worked great as is:

http://www.dyna-gro.com/Website pdf Files/DG Hydroponic Feeding Schedule.pdf
Can you go through a weekly schedule for what you do? I would like to see what I'm doing wrong.

Every single day I am adding 1 gallon of water with about a teaspoon of grow, sometimes adding hella tons water and taking some out to get the pH where it's supposed to be.

I start the clones at 100ppm, any further they will burn. I got these big babies at 250-300ppm. If I go in today and see 200ppm, what would you do? Do you add protekt to your res or is it just added once a week with initial res setup?

And do you have alot of roots with your 500-600 seedlings? I put mine in my bucket with 1 or 2 roots sticking out. Is that why I need a lower ppm?
 

IN33DW33D

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but if you didn't check you wouldnt know!
if your ph is dropping like that you need to start over from the start.
I would take and set up a dwc bucket with plant, just water and nutes, and see what it does. Monitor this daily, but adjust nothing. If this differs terribly from the one with the plant (other than nute uptake) then odds are you have some sort of disease.
If you are dropping 250-90 ppm in 2 days your plants are starving and trying to eat everything they can out of the water.
So what do you suggest I do. I've got about 40 buckets so keep in mind anything I do will take a shit load of time.

So I am going to fill my buckets with water, add protekt then grow, then ph it, then add my tea. The PPM's will be at around 250-300. Now what if the PPM is at 150-200 tomorrow? Still don't do shit? I think the pH will probably hit 6.5, so I just leave it at 6.5? Sometimes it starts going down to 5.0 or less after the first day, but usually it goes up after the first day and then WAY down after that.
 

TruenoAE86coupe

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Just use the bucket to learn what happens, don't put a plant in it, just treat it like it does have a plant in it.
This will be your "control" bucket, it will teach you how your nutrients and water (and air) react to each other without the outside influences of the plant.
All you are trying to do with it is learn, so you have a basis of what is happening and why. Once you have found that it is doing the same as the ones with the plants you can start systematically removing ingredients till you figure out the issue. This is the only way you will ever truly understand what is going wrong, until then you will be fighting yourself. I think you are too far in at this point for us to really help more than that.
RO water really helps to take the guess work out and make sure you are starting with 0 ppm water that is fairly consistant in ph.
 

IN33DW33D

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Just use the bucket to learn what happens, don't put a plant in it, just treat it like it does have a plant in it.
This will be your "control" bucket, it will teach you how your nutrients and water (and air) react to each other without the outside influences of the plant.
All you are trying to do with it is learn, so you have a basis of what is happening and why. Once you have found that it is doing the same as the ones with the plants you can start systematically removing ingredients till you figure out the issue. This is the only way you will ever truly understand what is going wrong, until then you will be fighting yourself. I think you are too far in at this point for us to really help more than that.
RO water really helps to take the guess work out and make sure you are starting with 0 ppm water that is fairly consistant in ph.
Thanks for the reply. I used to use RO water but I sold it and stopped using it. Should I put a airstone in this control bucket? I've done it before and the pH stayed the same but I didn't do it for 24 hours and I didn't have an airstone.
 

TruenoAE86coupe

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Yes it should be ready for a plant, treated as though a plant lives in it. Air stone, nutes, water, anything else you add. Hell even the net cup if you have an extra, and fill it with your media. Start with everything except the plant, it will be the first thing you are eliminating from the system, if everything follows the same pattern as the ones with plants, it is something other than a plant pathogen (may want to clean your probes b4 sticking in here after checking plants to eliminate cross contamination. I would only add water to keep the water level consistant, but check the water for ph b4 adding, swings could cause issues (again calibrate the ph meter as often as possible).
Keeping records as detailed as possible for this will help immediately and down the line.
Try to keep it as scientific as possible, remember back to 7th grade science and how everything was done and kept track of.
 

kpmarine

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I'm not sure about your nutes, but mine have ph buffers. So if you're throwing nutes in after you ph, your resevoir's ph should drop lower I would think. That's why people say to ph after you add your nutes. Topping off your res is dangerous because you know your res dropped 100ppm, you have no clue what it was 100ppm of though. So by topping off you risk causing problems (Say your plant used up all the nitrogen, but not much of anything else. You then top off, now your nutrient ratio is fucked to hell, risking all sorts of bad things.). Then there's a whole new batch of ph buffers from that top off being added to your reservoir, ph goes down further. Now you have ph lockout risks, and the risk of too much of one particular mineral in your reservoir . Also, are you sure you're not just overdoing the ph down? Maybe its not getting thoroughly dissolved and slowly breaking down as time passes?
 

IN33DW33D

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I'm not sure about your nutes, but mine have ph buffers. So if you're throwing nutes in after you ph, your resevoir's ph should drop lower I would think. That's why people say to ph after you add your nutes. Topping off your res is dangerous because you know your res dropped 100ppm, you have no clue what it was 100ppm of though. So by topping off you risk causing problems (Say your plant used up all the nitrogen, but not much of anything else. You then top off, now your nutrient ratio is fucked to hell, risking all sorts of bad things.). Then there's a whole new batch of ph buffers from that top off being added to your reservoir, ph goes down further. Now you have ph lockout risks, and the risk of too much of one particular mineral in your reservoir . Also, are you sure you're not just overdoing the ph down? Maybe its not getting thoroughly dissolved and slowly breaking down as time passes?
Man I've been thinking about that alot which is basically why I made this whole thread. My PPM goes from 200-100 in a day. So if I don't do shit for a week, what's that gunna tell you? So is this post telling me I need to switch my res out every day?

I did think that the too much ph down was maybe something to do with it. But, I tried letting it go at 6.5 and the next day it was back down to 5.0.

It never usually drops when PPM doesn't go down, but why does it drop so fucking much when it does. :\
 

kpmarine

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I'm still scratching my head over how low your ppm's are. I run about 1000 ppm with GH nutes in DWC through my veg. The other possibility, which I think was mentioned, is that ph goes up as nutrients get used due to the chemical process. Since you have such a low nute concentration, it may not be offsetting the ph drop properly. Ulimately, it could be alot of different things, you're going to have to systematically work from the likely to the less likely. Just like troubleshooting any other problem in life. First isolate out user error and work from there.
 
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