730NM good or bad?

Positivity

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730nm is kinda a closed case in my grow room right now.

Just things I noticed..could easily have noticed wrong. But FWIW....and most know or have heard it before.

Without far red in spectrum plants won't flower or ripen properly. Way extended flowering

Works either way. End of cycle flash and small amount (not enough to cause stretch) work equally as well at getting timely flowering. That info is gleaned from my far red experiments, my use of r/b led spectrums minus far red, others cmh grows, and others warm white grows.

Used in excess major stretching, of course. No magic huge buds from giving ample far red that is possibly readily absorbed in later flowering.

Excess blue can counteract the far red and prolong flowering sending new growth out in later flowering stages.

Buds have grown to be relatively the same size and yield regardless of far red levels. It only seems to affect and promote normal flowering.

So, for me, the far red solution is a little/none during lights on and a flash at the end.

I personally haven't noticed extra nodes, extra growth, etc. Just sleepy time.

And last but important I think. Just because you have a white heavy spectrum doesn't necessarily mean you have enough far red to get the shortest flowering time possible. When I did my tests with a 3500k and 5000k mix I still knocked a extra week off with the trigger.

And one other thing..lol.

My Pfr levels must have been all over the place with my different far red levels. All grows yielded relatively the same.
 

thelightstuff

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Im aware of running it for short periods after lights out... I just dont see where the disadvantage comes from making your plants "sleep" faster
In nature, indoors or out, at lights out or sunset it normally takes the phytochrome two hours to change form the daytime state to the nighttime state, using the 730nm flower Initiator change the state in a few minutes ,our lights this allows you to run your lights longer during flowering, it seems pot always respond positively to more light. There is no disadvantage, only advantage.
 

thelightstuff

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The things we do know:

1) 730nm penetrates the canopy very well. It is not absorbed very well by chlorophyll.
2) 730nm will cause Pfr as a percent of total phyotochromes to converge lower, as low as ~3% with pure 730nm.
3) Pfr is local. Shaded leaves and growth tips will have a lower Pfr than unshaded canopy level leaves/tips.
4) Lower Pfr during the day will mean more shade avoidance of lower (shaded) branches (stretch)

The things we don't know is how much and when will yield the most buds the fastest. It's easy to make sound decisions based on false assumptions of what configuration will work the best.
The price of the Flower Initiators have changed, only the 20 watt units are available and now at the same price as the old 10 wat lights. https://growlightsource.com/the-flower-initiator-booster-20-watt-far-red-730nm-indoor-outdoor-grow-light/the-flower-initiator-accelerator-far-red-730nm/
 

GroErr

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All I know is I'm not shutting my 730's off, I run them at the end of light cycle for 12 min and 660nm at the beginning of the light cycle. Along with 11.5/12.5 for the main cycle, I've shaved a good week off anything I throw in there now. Good enough for me, I don't need any of the charts or studies to tell me there's a benefit.
 

KonopCh

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All I know is I'm not shutting my 730's off, I run them at the end of light cycle for 12 min and 660nm at the beginning of the light cycle. Along with 11.5/12.5 for the main cycle, I've shaved a good week off anything I throw in there now. Good enough for me, I don't need any of the charts or studies to tell me there's a benefit.
How much you have (or better say, how much in tent) and how hard you drive them?
You start at the flip or in veg too?
 

GroErr

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How much you have (or better say, how much in tent) and how hard you drive them?
You start at the flip or in veg too?
Room is 4x9', typically running a 3x8 or 3.5x8' footprint in there. I run 40w of 730nm, and 45w of 660nm placed in the centre of the room, it spreads out well and covers the room. I saw the biggest drop in finish times when I ran those initiators and dropped the main lights to 11.5/12.5. Here's the last round that just finished and new round starting up that's day 0 other than the flowering plant back-left that was day 42 at time of pic.

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