4x4 Tent, 1000w, 6"inline............ 1.5 LBS dry YIELD!!

smokingrubber said:

Those are all various ways of solving your problem. You don't have to do them all, just some combination to solve your heat problems.

First, you said you can't exhaust to fresh air and bring in fresh air. That leaves you with ONE option. You must run a closed loop system, where you provide all of the cooling and Co2. Otherwise, your plants will not survive. The chiller and reservior can replace the AC.

Listen, you can't just go out and buy a 1000 hp motor for your car and expect to drop it in without upgrading a lot of extra parts. It's expensive to do it right. You can run a 6 hp motor without a radiator, but what do you think is going to happen to the 1000hp motor? You can get by with a cheap tranny and bald tires if you're only pushing 70hp ... what do you need to go with that 1000hp crate motor?

You went and bought a monster motor, now you'll need to buy all the extra bits or it'll blow up in your face. It's expensive. Get over it.

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I didnt go out and BUY a 1000w hps. my friend gave it to me for FREE ,ballast ,hood and both bulbs all as one.......so thats why im using it.....if i was going to buy a light i would have bought a 600w but thats not the case.......im not dumb i relieze that 1000w will need alot of cooling that why i started this post in the first place.........if my only choices are bringing in 55 gal bucks and having chiller systems with pumps and holes cut in the celling then i might just sale the 1000w and get a 600w.......I DONT want a resivor or pumps that why i choise to use sunshine mix and NOT a hydro set up.....if im going to have to get pumps and resivor i might as well just do a hydro while im at it......i want somting simple and efficient and NOT LOUD......wouldnt a chiller add to the noise? and what exactly is a chiller chilling? the air that is recirclatd back into the tent? or the light? im confused about that too......and if it is chilling the air that is resircualted back into the tent wont this have to be suspended up at the top by my filter? how heavy is a chiller? will it hang with a filter and hood and fan and not be to heay for the tent? sorry if these are dump questions.....

FootClan said:

yea that sound like a good idea...do you have a pic of it?? id love to have an image to go with that......

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Go to 2:10 seconds this is where I got this idea .....mine is a lot simpler but not as effective...





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FootClan said:

I didnt go out and BUY a 1000w hps. my friend gave it to me for FREE ,ballast ,hood and both bulbs all as one.......so thats why im using it.....if i was going to buy a light i would have bought a 600w but thats not the case.......im not dumb i relieze that 1000w will need alot of cooling that why i started this post in the first place.........if my only choices are bringing in 55 gal bucks and having chiller systems with pumps and holes cut in the celling then i might just sale the 1000w and get a 600w.......I DONT want a resivor or pumps that why i choise to use sunshine mix and NOT a hydro set up.....if im going to have to get pumps and resivor i might as well just do a hydro while im at it......i want somting simple and efficient and NOT LOUD......wouldnt a chiller add to the noise? and what exactly is a chiller chilling? the air that is recirclatd back into the tent? or the light? im confused about that too......and if it is chilling the air that is resircualted back into the tent wont this have to be suspended up at the top by my filter? how heavy is a chiller? will it hang with a filter and hood and fan and not be to heay for the tent? sorry if these are dump questions.....

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I know you're not dumb, but I'm not going to tell you everything is going to work perfectly if I don't think it is. Maybe you should get a 600? They're a little cooler.

A chiller is just a small refrigerator contraption sitting next to the reservior. It would have 2 lines going in and out and it just sits there and keeps the reservior very cold. This is different from the nutrient reservior which should be kept at about 70 degrees.

The chilled water is used to chill a small "ice box" attached to the end of your exhaust line. This keeps the temperatures down! It will attach to the roof or wherever easily. This is WAY overboard, but it will give you a close idea what I'm talking about. Watch the whole thing it's very interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0uRrMvfucY

FootClan said:

Hey all this is my FIRST post on this site it looks like a great site. Im putting a NEW grow together and heres what i got and how i want to run it, my goal is 1.5 LBS dry yield.

4x4x6'8 Tent, 1 1000w HPS/MH , Daystar 6" Aircooled Hood , 320CFM 6"fan, 6"Carbon Scrubber, Reflector Heatshield, 16 3gallon square pots, Sunshine Mix#4

Im in an aprtment and this grow must be as silent as possible .......I plan to run my exhaust as follows: Scrubber>duct>Hood>duct>Fan>duct>outside tent.

Do you think this set-up will keep my room in the 70's? Also 16 3gallon pots in 4x4 tent is a tight sqeeze will this produce me atleast 1.5 LBS Yield???

My current Grow is 3.5x3.5x8 400w hps with one 4" 160CFM fan with 16 2gallon pots. I was not able to even yield 1 pound with this set up so now I will start a second grow using this equipment and I'm just looking for advise on the best way to lay out the stuff i already have... ANY IDEAS?? WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN YOUR GROW TENT?

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hey dude about how much did your setup run ya?

FootClan said:

they thanks for clearing that up i new he wasnt right but i just wanted someone to confirm it thanks.........yea some one else told me that elicent fans are the most silent out of the fan options.....do you know anyting about making a box for sound damping the fan? or maybe just rapping insulation around the fan?? any ideas? and do you think one 6" 320 CFM fan will work for cooling hood AND exhausting and scrubbing at same time or am i just wishful thinking here??

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there is a regulator you can get to lower the cfm on your fan by reducing wattage. it will make it a little more quiet. i have one on a 475cfm fan in a 3x4 tent. and it also helps me control the temp with wheather changes.

smokingrubber said:

I know you're not dumb, but I'm not going to tell you everything is going to work perfectly if I don't think it is. Maybe you should get a 600? They're a little cooler.

A chiller is just a small refrigerator contraption sitting next to the reservior. It would have 2 lines going in and out and it just sits there and keeps the reservior very cold. This is different from the nutrient reservior which should be kept at about 70 degrees.

The chilled water is used to chill a small "ice box" attached to the end of your exhaust line. This keeps the temperatures down! It will attach to the roof or wherever easily. This is WAY overboard, but it will give you a close idea what I'm talking about. Watch the whole thing it's very interesting.








http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0uRrMvfucY

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Well I rather start simiple and work my way up to "overboard"....Im not growing anything tell i get my temps and noise undercontrol so theres no risk of me killing any plants plus this way i wont over spend on somthing I might not need.

Anyways the mirror mention of me cutting holes and bringing in 55 gal tank is going to start an instant fight and it dosent matter that i can fix it all before we vacate aprtment she wont care she will just go into a fit. Now i could go ahead and just do it anyways but since i already talked her into giving up the spare room for my grow i dont want to push it.....

If this was a house it wouldnt even matter id have 2 8" fan blasting away 24/7 with holes cut anywhere i want.

I like the idea about the window box but im still not sold on drilling holes in to frame to support it...I was thinking maybe take particle board and cut it to fit window frame and weather strip the edges of the board to create a seal . push the board into the window frame leaving space between the inside window and the board....this board would have an exhaust hole where i would connect a duct to it and on the other end would connect to the exhaust on the tent . Then i would leave the window open about 6inchs and exhasut the hot air like that...that way no one will see the duct and it can still exit room

I have another idea aswell..... what if i connect a duct to the air conditioning vent on the celling of the spare room and ran it directly to the intake hole on the tent . This way i can force cool air directly into the tent from my aprtment air conditioner and then i could just exhaust the hot air back into the room with no need for open window...my only concern is will i still have a passive intake while aprtment air conditioner is off?? I would think that it would just pull air from inside the aprtment vents right? Plus i might need a duct fan to help move that air into my tent not sure......

I know i want something i can take down on 24 hours notice so it cant be envoling lots of wood and water tanks and drilling. But its gotta work and be silent and not be perminate eather......If i get 24 hour notice that landloard needs to get in that spare room then i gotta have that shit out overnight..... usaully they give more than 24 hours notice but i just want to plan that i wont so if i do ill be ready. really i dont think they will ever need to get in that room but ya never know.

phree23 said:

hey dude about how much did your setup run ya?

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Well i got my lights for free so that helped ALOT but so far everyting has cost me exactly 511 bucks and some change . if i payed for the light probably add another 300 bucks on it......this is what i bought so far that has come to $511 > tent , inline fan , insulated ducting , yo yo's, indoor outdoor therm, ph tester pen, 4 way soil tester , 6" carbon filter , heat shield jacket for the hood, and glass window for the hood.........I got all that on ebay for 511 bucks......i still need pots, nutes, soil, soil amendments , timers , ph up and down, watering cans , osilating fan ,eggcrate foam for sound damping...........PLUS i might need a bigger fan or even two fans......i might need some sort of chiller or air conditioner.......then of course i still need clones so i fig i got a atleast another 4 or 500 more to go..... before im completely happy .......and that wont be tell i cant hear anything and and room is in 70's........

ripe fruit said:

there is a regulator you can get to lower the cfm on your fan by reducing wattage. it will make it a little more quiet. i have one on a 475cfm fan in a 3x4 tent. and it also helps me control the temp with wheather changes.

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Yes i plan on geting the speed controller but idoubht i will even use it on as 6" fan i think ill probably need every bit of rpm that fans got to cool my 1000w infact i might need a bigger fan but im still going to get it just because i want one and if i do end up getting a bigger fan ill diff be using it to lower the rpm......but if i stay with the 6"( wishful thinking) i prob wont use it

jcdws602 said:

Go to 2:10 seconds this is where I got this idea .....mine is a lot simpler but not as effective...





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Hey thanks for the idea thats assume.....I think id like somthing not so bulky and perminet.....Mybe just simple particle board and some weather stripping....do you have a pic of yours?? even though i get the idea it would be great to get a look at what you got going......I diff like the idea of putting that window to good use and lowering my temps i will have to look futher into this idea.....

FootClan said:

Well i got my lights for free so that helped ALOT but so far everyting has cost me exactly 511 bucks and some change . if i payed for the light probably add another 300 bucks on it......this is what i bought so far that has come to $511 > tent , inline fan , insulated ducting , yo yo's, indoor outdoor therm, ph tester pen, 4 way soil tester , 6" carbon filter , heat shield jacket for the hood, and glass window for the hood.........I got all that on ebay for 511 bucks......i still need pots, nutes, soil, soil amendments , timers , ph up and down, watering cans , osilating fan ,eggcrate foam for sound damping...........PLUS i might need a bigger fan or even two fans......i might need some sort of chiller or air conditioner.......then of course i still need clones so i fig i got a atleast another 4 or 500 more to go..... before im completely happy .......and that wont be tell i cant hear anything and and room is in 70's........

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haha ok sounds good man. thanks for the reply!

Hey Footclan does your window run flush with the wall or is there some space in between??if there is space then you can simply just make a frame that slips into the space and simply tape with aluminum ducting tape so no drilling.....that stuff is pretty strong.........on another note I have 2 4x4 tents and tried flowering in them with a 1000 watt and it was just too hard and expensive to keep cool....to tell you the truth I think your best bet would be either to sell your 1000 watt ballast and get a 600 watt or try to trade someone on craigslist for a 600 watt

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Not the prettiest but works..I have it screwed on and have weather strip along all the edges...the panda film is stapled and glued with all purpose caulking to make sure it is completely sealed...you can make yours a lot nicer since you need it to look nice from the outside..my window just looks black from the outside......nobody goes back there though so it don't matter what it looks like.....

jcdws602 said:

Hey Footclan does your window run flush with the wall or is there some space in between??if there is space then you can simply just make a frame that slips into the space and simply tape with aluminum ducting tape so no drilling.....that stuff is pretty strong.........on another note I have 2 4x4 tents and tried flowering in them with a 1000 watt and it was just too hard and expensive to keep cool....to tell you the truth I think your best bet would be either to sell your 1000 watt ballast and get a 600 watt or try to trade someone on craigslist for a 600 watt

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ya thats what ive been hearing......what was your set up win you had those 1000w 4x4 tents? two fans? 1? what size? just wondering what yyou had going on and what your temps where.....how many pots?

jcdws602 said:

Hey Footclan does your window run flush with the wall or is there some space in between??if there is space then you can simply just make a frame that slips into the space and simply tape with aluminum ducting tape so no drilling.....that stuff is pretty strong.........on another note I have 2 4x4 tents and tried flowering in them with a 1000 watt and it was just too hard and expensive to keep cool....to tell you the truth I think your best bet would be either to sell your 1000 watt ballast and get a 600 watt or try to trade someone on craigslist for a 600 watt

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No the window does not run flush there is i believe 4inchs that it receeds back in....

jcdws602 said:

Not the prettiest but works..I have it screwed on and have weather strip along all the edges...the panda film is stapled and glued with all purpose caulking to make sure it is completely sealed...you can make yours a lot nicer since you need it to look nice from the outside..my window just looks black from the outside......nobody goes back there though so it don't matter what it looks like.....

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what material is that stretched over the box part ?? looks like white plastic or somthing

jcdws602 said:

Hey Footclan does your window run flush with the wall or is there some space in between??if there is space then you can simply just make a frame that slips into the space and simply tape with aluminum ducting tape so no drilling.....that stuff is pretty strong.........on another note I have 2 4x4 tents and tried flowering in them with a 1000 watt and it was just too hard and expensive to keep cool....to tell you the truth I think your best bet would be either to sell your 1000 watt ballast and get a 600 watt or try to trade someone on craigslist for a 600 watt

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Do you think a cool tube would cool my room better than my daystar hood?

jcdws602 said:

Hey Footclan does your window run flush with the wall or is there some space in between??if there is space then you can simply just make a frame that slips into the space and simply tape with aluminum ducting tape so no drilling.....that stuff is pretty strong.........on another note I have 2 4x4 tents and tried flowering in them with a 1000 watt and it was just too hard and expensive to keep cool....to tell you the truth I think your best bet would be either to sell your 1000 watt ballast and get a 600 watt or try to trade someone on craigslist for a 600 watt

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also what if i get a bigger tent wouldnt that help with the 1000w temps? sale the tent and buy bigger one?

That white plastic is called panda film.......but you can use black painters plastic from home depot or wal mart...the panda film is white on one side and black on the other...I used it cuz I had spare sitting around..I had a 3x3 grow tray in my 4x4 tents running an ebb and flow set up......I was exhausting the air from the tent through a scrubber>cool hood>outside at first kinda like you want to do and it was still too hot in there.......I tried every other possible way their is setting up my exhaust to keep it cool in there but no dice......so your hood is not an air cooled hood???I for some reason thought it was .....lol.......yeah selling the tent and getting a bigger one might (i dont know so..) do the trick but you will still need to get an air cooled hood.....and exhaust outside...and since you have some space you can make a deal like mine and slip it on the window without screwing anything

jcdws602 said:

That white plastic is called panda film.......but you can use black painters plastic from home depot or wal mart...the panda film is white on one side and black on the other...I used it cuz I had spare sitting around..I had a 3x3 grow tray in my 4x4 tents running an ebb and flow set up......I was exhausting the air from the tent through a scrubber>cool hood>outside at first kinda like you want to do and it was still too hot in there.......I tried every other possible way their is setting up my exhaust to keep it cool in there but no dice......so your hood is not an air cooled hood???I for some reason thought it was .....lol.......yeah selling the tent and getting a bigger one might (i dont know so..) do the trick but you will still need to get an air cooled hood.....and exhaust outside...and since you have some space you can make a deal like mine and slip it on the window without screwing anything

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NO it IS a COOL HOOD.......its a daystar air cooled hood with 6" duct holes on each side i also got a heat shield jacket for it and the glass to slide in.....plus insulated ducting and i thought the combo of all three should help a lil.....what size fan did you have cooling the light?

270 cfm can fan......