40% HAPPY FROG/40%OCEAN FOREST/15%PERLITE/REMAINING 5%WORM CASTINGS,BLOODMEAL,BONEMEAL,DOLOMITE LIME

st0wandgrow

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greenlikemoney posted this. what do you fellers think about it?
It'll work, but you could do better IMO.

Assuming you want to stick with a pre-amended bagged soil I feel that there are better options. But anyway, I like the idea of adding some aeration, and some worm castings. I'd personally skip the blood and bone meal and add some alfalfa meal, kelp meal, neem seed meal, and crab shell meal. If that's an issue, even something like Espoma Garden Tone would be a better option than slaughter house waste.
 

CC Dobbs

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Looks like someone was playing around and decided to try this mixture. There is no point in mixing HF and OF if he is going to dope up the soil. The bone meal is useless in the short term and the blood meal is just nasty shit and doesn't really have a place anymore. Perlite....for aeration?...water retention?...seemed like a good idea?
 

dwight smokum

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It'll work, but you could do better IMO.

Assuming you want to stick with a pre-amended bagged soil I feel that there are better options. But anyway, I like the idea of adding some aeration, and some worm castings. I'd personally skip the blood and bone meal and add some alfalfa meal, kelp meal, neem seed meal, and crab shell meal. If that's an issue, even something like Espoma Garden Tone would be a better option than slaughter house waste.
so you would just mix espoma garden tone with the happy frog and ocean forest?..at what ratio?
 

st0wandgrow

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so you would just mix espoma garden tone with the happy frog and ocean forest?..at what ratio?

What he proposed above (I'd personally choose a better bagged soil) minus the bone/blood meal using Espoma in its place. The ocean forrest is already amended, so you don't have to be too heavy handed. I'd start with a 1/2 cup per cubic foot and adjust from there if necessary.
 

greenlikemoney

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Bat and Seabird Guanos, worm castings and molasses. Only use teas every 6th watering, aside from that it's just dechlorinated water.
 

greenlikemoney

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also do you wet mixture and let it set for a while before using?
Nope mix up what I need dry. Nothing but water for the first 30 days, then a tea feed, then 5 water feeds, then repeat with a tea, then 5 water feeds, etc etc etc. I love the simplicity and have never had a deficiency with that schedule. It works for me and everyone has their own preferences.
 

st0wandgrow

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Bat and Seabird Guanos, worm castings and molasses. Only use teas every 6th watering, aside from that it's just dechlorinated water.
I'm not trying to be a dick when I say this, but the products you are recommending are amongst the last things that I would recommend. If I had to come up with a list of things *not* to use in organics, blood meal, bone meal, and bat guano would all make that list.

I'm not saying that those ingredients won't work, but there are equal (or better) options that don't involve slaughtered, hormone and antibiotic ridden cattle.... and the destruction of entire ecosystems in the process.
 

greenlikemoney

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I'm not trying to be a dick when I say this, but the products you are recommending are amongst the last things that I would recommend. If I had to come up with a list of things *not* to use in organics, blood meal, bone meal, and bat guano would all make that list.

I'm not saying that those ingredients won't work, but there are equal (or better) options that don't involve slaughtered, hormone and antibiotic ridden cattle.... and the destruction of entire ecosystems in the process.
I can't save the world ( or ruin it ) spending $200 a year on those items. And my vegetable garden flourishes recycling the used soil. As I said, everyone has their preferences, this just works perfectly for me.
 

st0wandgrow

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I can't save the world ( or ruin it ) spending $200 a year on those items. And my vegetable garden flourishes recycling the used soil. As I said, everyone has their preferences, this just works perfectly for me.

The only voice you have as a consumer is how you chose to spend your money. Individually we don't make a huge difference, but collectively we carry all the weight.

Why do you use those specific items? What is it that you feel bat shit brings to the table? Would you be open to alternatives?
 

dwight smokum

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Nope mix up what I need dry. Nothing but water for the first 30 days, then a tea feed, then 5 water feeds, then repeat with a tea, then 5 water feeds, etc etc etc. I love the simplicity and have never had a deficiency with that schedule. It works for me and everyone has their own preferences.
i really appreciate you sharing yer experience with me greenlikemoney. gonna get this stuff together 2mor. i use rain water that is about 7.o ph..will i need to ph my teas?
 

greenlikemoney

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Well, based on my gardening experience, I find that bone meal is taken up by plants slowly over time, so as long as it is used sparingly, there is little risk of burning plants and a little bit goes a long way, so just one tablespoon is needed for every two square feet. I personally use Scotts Organic which is made from non-cow sources.

I like blood meal( again, Scotts Organic ) because it is one of the richest non-synthetic sources of nitrogen. It helps plants grow healthy root systems and produce green foliage more rapidly, making them more resistant to pests and diseases. Here again I use it sparingly.
 

greenlikemoney

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i really appreciate you sharing yer experience with me greenlikemoney. gonna get this stuff together 2mor. i use rain water that is about 7.o ph..will i need to ph my teas?
I pH anything that I feed my plants ( except my straight water feeds of course ) every time.
 

st0wandgrow

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Well, based on my gardening experience, I find that bone meal is taken up by plants slowly over time, so as long as it is used sparingly, there is little risk of burning plants and a little bit goes a long way, so just one tablespoon is needed for every two square feet. I personally use Scotts Organic which is made from non-cow sources.

I like blood meal( again, Scotts Organic ) because it is one of the richest non-synthetic sources of nitrogen. It helps plants grow healthy root systems and produce green foliage more rapidly, making them more resistant to pests and diseases. Here again I use it sparingly.

Fair enough.

How much do you add to the base? Say 1 bag of HF (2cf) + 1 bag of OF (1.5cf) + your perlite and EWC.... brings you to roughly 4cf. How much blood/bone meal and bat guano would you add to that?
 

dwight smokum

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Bat and Seabird Guanos, worm castings and molasses. Only use teas every 6th watering, aside from that it's just dechlorinated water.
can you please be more specific about which bat and seabird guanos you use?..i read that there are different kinds.thanks a lot greenlikemoney for yer time.
 
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