4/4/4/4/4/4 light cycle?

TwistItUp

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I'm feeling disappointed now because I don't see any practical benefit.
We already assessed 4/4 and 12/12 was still the same kwh / 24 hours.
Co2 is easy to run even with ExHale bags so that kind of shoots down that idea about dark cycle Co2.
Auto's was kind of a good thought but whats the point.
 
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TwistItUp

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bryleetch said:
I was thinking the same thing at first but I think the belief about this 4/4 is that it would somehow keep the plant in veg and that's how it would use less electricity compared to 18/6 or 24/0.
I really don't know how the plant would respond to this and I don't think the plant would know either, might just stress it out but the only way to find out for sure is to try it.
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Maybe go with that idea.
 
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But then there is also the whole thing were people say its cheaper to run your lights at night.
And info about keeping your day/night temps close to the same to prevent stretch.
doing a 4/4 cycle for a veg at 12 hours a day around the clock to keep a plant in veg.
Would this be counter productive to the lights are cheaper at night thing?
And being around the clock heat from HID, you mentioned something about keeping the grow space cooler.
But really? Isn't it cooler just to run them at night and hope that the HID heat keeps the plants closer to day time temps?
To keep stretch to a minimum. Unless someone is running decent environment controls. Running HID 4/4 around the clock you might need A/c during the day, compared to maybe getting away with not running A/c if you ran the lights at night. I don't run a/c and my tent is hot even running the lights at night. So that too might be bunk and I ought to have A/c anyway lol.
 
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panhead

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There aren't any magical light cycles that are gonna help your plants grow faster or increase harvest weights , most likely the odd light cycle will stress the shit out of the plants , auto's or not i'd stick with tried & true methods , this late in the internet mj growing game there are no new discoveries , if it was a good thing we'd all know about the method .
 
TwistItUp

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TwistItUp said:
Sorry for all my bad math too. I didn't mean to make things more confusing and I feel like I somewhat botched your post a bit. I just got a bit excited and I'm really interested.
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lol , this bad math thing. It reminds me of when I got accused of dealing my pain med script to a high school kid. He was a friend I played a video game with for a long time. He later got a job working at lowes. I said something about installing dry wall and said it was that thick heavy stuff. He said Oh 1/2"? I'm all like no 5/8.
He say's 1/2" is thicker. I try to explain the best way I knew how, and I said If I sold you 1/2 Oz that would be the same as 2 quarters, which would be the same as four 1/8th's, If I sold you 5/8's then that's one more 1/8th than a half. So which fraction is thicker? Then he says but an 1/8 is less than a 1/2. I tried to explain but there is 5 of them. Then he says but weight is different. As if I was trying to dupe him with a trick question. Then I explain that fractions are the same, only liquid Oz is differant, the volume of a liquid does not always equal its weight. He didn't believe this either. Funny thing is the kid claimed to be dealing. I say kid, but he must have been 17-18 by then, but was still in school I guess. I only knew him in that video game, so who knows. I used to share stories with him about how my pain and psych med's would effect me. Fast forward a bit and I'm sure I'm forgetting some details and pretty sure there was some sneaky things going on I didn't even know about, damn you Facebook. So later, I failed a drug test. Because I didn't (did not) have any drugs in my system at the time. I had abused my pills and took them all way too early in the month. Like 10 at a time, then ran out. I had no more to take to prove I had been taking them, because my urine should have showed them in my system, and then it happened. I got accused of selling my med's, and the doctor starts spouting off about dealing to a high school kid. No man, I assure you I took each and every one of those pills myself. That was the one and only high school kid I socialized with. A bit untold to me how anyone could have accessed my Facebook info to make these accusations, but it must have been, how else could they fire off one liners and pop shots about the things I had said specifically to only that one person. Then I'm getting registered mail for drug programs so my family found out, and the doctor moves to another state. I don't know this woman, if she is even real or not I don't know, and I'm defiantly not saying this is in any way associated to my story, but who's to say something similar didn't happen to me.
http://news.yahoo.com/dea-fake-facebook-profile-leahy-123649209.html
When I see articles like this one, and I think back to my story. It makes me wonder.
If anything the kid was more likely to try and sell something I don't want to me.
The dope he claimed to be dealing was a different shade if you catch my drift.
For all I know he might of gotten caught dealing and the DEA seized his electronics, and went through the convoy's I had with him. Then called up my Dr.
I don't really know. But yeah, wtf... Another reason not to talk about MMJ with a pain doc who's not on board with that. He was dead set on accusing me of being the bad guy, a dealer of some sort, as soon as MMJ came up. There was red flags going off somewhere for that doctor. Just he had it all wrong, and then has the gull to tell me that I am changing my stories about why I didn't have any pills left. No, I was changing his story back to the truth about why I didn't have any.
 
TwistItUp

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TwistItUp said:
lol , this bad math thing. It reminds me of when I got accused of dealing my pain med script to a high school kid. He was a friend I played a video game with for a long time. He later got a job working at lowes. I said something about installing dry wall and said it was that thick heavy stuff. He said Oh 1/2"? I'm all like no 5/8.
He say's 1/2" is thicker. I try to explain the best way I knew how, and I said If I sold you 1/2 Oz that would be the same as 2 quarters, which would be the same as four 1/8th's, If I sold you 5/8's then that's one more 1/8th than a half. So which fraction is thicker? Then he says but an 1/8 is less than a 1/2. I tried to explain but there is 5 of them. Then he says but weight is different. As if I was trying to dupe him with a trick question. Then I explain that fractions are the same, only liquid Oz is differant, the volume of a liquid does not always equal its weight. He didn't believe this either. Funny thing is the kid claimed to be dealing. I say kid, but he must have been 17-18 by then, but was still in school I guess. I only knew him in that video game, so who knows. I used to share stories with him about how my pain and psych med's would effect me. Fast forward a bit and I'm sure I'm forgetting some details and pretty sure there was some sneaky things going on I didn't even know about, damn you Facebook. So later, I failed a drug test. Because I didn't (did not) have any drugs in my system at the time. I had abused my pills and took them all way too early in the month. Like 10 at a time, then ran out. I had no more to take to prove I had been taking them, because my urine should have showed them in my system, and then it happened. I got accused of selling my med's, and the doctor starts spouting off about dealing to a high school kid. No man, I assure you I took each and every one of those pills myself. That was the one and only high school kid I socialized with. A bit untold to me how anyone could have accessed my Facebook info to make these accusations, but it must have been, how else could they fire off one liners and pop shots about the things I had said specifically to only that one person. Then I'm getting registered mail for drug programs so my family found out, and the doctor moves to another state. I don't know this woman, if she is even real or not I don't know, and I'm defiantly not saying this is in any way associated to my story, but who's to say something similar didn't happen to me.
http://news.yahoo.com/dea-fake-facebook-profile-leahy-123649209.html
When I see articles like this one, and I think back to my story. It makes me wonder.
If anything the kid was more likely to try and sell something I don't want to me.
The dope he claimed to be dealing was a different shade if you catch my drift.
For all I know he might of gotten caught dealing and the DEA seized his electronics, and went through the convoy's I had with him. Then called up my Dr.
I don't really know. But yeah, wtf... Another reason not to talk about MMJ with a pain doc who's not on board with that. He was dead set on accusing me of being the bad guy, a dealer of some sort, as soon as MMJ came up. There was red flags going off somewhere for that doctor. Just he had it all wrong, and then has the gull to tell me that I am changing my stories about why I didn't have any pills left. No, I was changing his story back to the truth about why I didn't have any.
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I'm not even about to bother asking him if he has anything he wants to tell me.
I do not associate with him. He is excommunicated. Any friendship that was there is never to be again.
 
SpaceBuddha

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ISK said:
I fail to see how a 4/4 cycle would save any electricity over 12/12
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Like I said, it's a veg cycle. Compare 4/4/4/4/4/4(12 on 12 off basically also) to 24/0 or 18/6 and simple math will reveal your savings.

The real question here is whether this cycle works. And I'm starting to think it does.
What originally ticked me to this was a legendary updated version of a growers guide, but it's in a native language most of you wouldn't understand so no point linking it.

I've read more grow reports(also native) and comments on this cycle and the great majority is positive feedback, the plants respond to 4/4 vegging very well it seems and won't begin to flower in this cycle, but most importantly what is being reported is the plants don't seem to lose in grow speed versus the more common cycles.
dadio161 said:
I have never heard of this light cycle as an experiment. I would be greatly concerned about how the ballast would handle being turned off and on so often and the bulb also. I flower using a 12/12 light cycle. Using a 600W digital ballast , my electric bill only went about $20 a month .
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I've heard of concerns regarding HPS bulps dying quicker with more on/off clicking, but does that really make a huge difference? Idk. For many of us the electric bill savings would get a new bulp. Also I think with leds this isn't a concern as they age with use, not going on/off.
TwistItUp said:
Might be a good experiment for an Auto strain.
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I read AF strains don't necessarily veg desireably long on this cycle, some reports saying the hairs show as early as 8 inches in plant length, but really the information on AF is really even more scarce atm. (someone should try it!) ;)
 
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SpaceBuddha said:
Like I said, it's a veg cycle. Compare 4/4/4/4/4/4(12 on 12 off basically also) to 24/0 or 18/6 and simple math will reveal your savings.
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my bad...missed that....I guess this could work but I would think it would yield smaller plants as it's a fair reduction from the typical 18/6 or 20/4 hours of light, but it would be cool if it could produce similar results.
 
SnaFuu

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TwistItUp said:
I'm feeling disappointed now because I don't see any practical benefit.
We already assessed 4/4 and 12/12 was still the same kwh / 24 hours.
Co2 is easy to run even with ExHale bags so that kind of shoots down that idea about dark cycle Co2.
Auto's was kind of a good thought but whats the point.
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Ohmagawd dude
shut.
up.

Seriously.

We know 4/4 is the same kw/h as 12/12. DUH. But to keep it veg you need longer light period. So do photo period plants stay in veg with 4/4 and not lose any growth rate is the question. I dunno.

Fuck autos. How'd that even come up.......
 
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SnaFuu said:
Ohmagawd dude
shut.
up.

Seriously.

We know 4/4 is the same kw/h as 12/12. DUH. But to keep it veg you need longer light period. So do photo period plants stay in veg with 4/4 and not lose any growth rate is the question. I dunno.

Fuck autos. How'd that even come up.......
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"Fuck autos. How'd that even come up......."
^ Because it is a veg cycle, and auto's will bloom under veg.
 
TwistItUp

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Would this out of the norm, thinking outside the box 4/4 cycle be the same effect as if there was some huge light mover that took 4 hours to cover a plant then make it to the other end and back, and just run the light 24/7 ?
 
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TwistItUp said:
"Fuck autos. How'd that even come up......."
^ Because it is a veg cycle, and auto's will bloom under veg.
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"Auto's was kind of a good thought but whats the point."
The 4/4 cycle is the same power usage as a 12/12 bloom.
So I am agreeing, fuck auto's. There is no point.
 
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T.H.Cammo

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For the most part, I found this whole thread to be typical (somewhat indecisive). However: I saw reference to two things that got my attention:
1. The plants produce CO2 during the dark cycle (I seriousely doubt that!).
2. Keeping the "Lights On" and "Lights Off " temperature as close together as possible will reduce stretch (I've never heard this one - color me skeptical!).

Is there any reliable source for either of these claims? It seems that roumors become "Common Knowledge" if they're repeated enough times - even if they're total bullshit! I could be way out of line here, but they both sound like Bullshit to me.

Back in the day, I learned that plants take in CO2 and give off Oxygen (just the opposite of humans). I see no logical reason why that would change at night. That might slow way down as photosynthesis ceases, but I don't see why it would reverse. I am pretty sure that I don't start breathing in CO2 and exhaling Oxygen at night!
 
alcohol

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T.H.Cammo said:
For the most part, I found this whole thread to be typical (somewhat indecisive). However: I saw reference to two things that got my attention:
1. The plants produce CO2 during the dark cycle (I seriousely doubt that!).
2. Keeping the "Lights On" and "Lights Off " temperature as close together as possible will reduce stretch (I've never heard this one - color me skeptical!).

Is there any reliable source for either of these claims? It seems that roumors become "Common Knowledge" if they're repeated enough times - even if they're total bullshit! I could be way out of line here, but they both sound like Bullshit to me.

Back in the day, I learned that plants take in CO2 and give off Oxygen (just the opposite of humans). I see no logical reason why that would change at night. That might slow way down as photosynthesis ceases, but I don't see why it would reverse. I am pretty sure that I don't start breathing in CO2 and exhaling Oxygen at night!
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1. is a true statement.
2. is a true statement.

How reliable of a source do you need? I can provide reliable sources for either.
 
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T.H.Cammo

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alcohol said:
1. is a true statement.
2. is a true statement.

How reliable of a source do you need? I can provide reliable sources for either.
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Well, I guess anything more reliable than just because "somebody" said so. Not just anecdotal claims, but hopefully some published research.
 
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