3-4lbs off of one 1000w

The_Herban_Legend

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That'll pound it out just fine :) Switch to DWC or ebb and flow and you'll notice a huge difference provided it is tuned and run properly. When I first started growing in soil I was happy but not, I went to hydro and shaved two weeks off of a beginning to end grow
Thanks Budget, I am looking into a DWC system after this grow. Does it require hourly supervision?
 

Thronez

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A pound for a 400 watt light is excellent , for a 1k hps, not so much if 1 gpw is the bar . I disagree strongly with not enough room to grow in a tent, I supply 5 patients with enough for 2 months off of one 40x 40 inch tent , this is not including the other experiment and production rooms . If they run through it quick cause there short on cash or whatever , I have them covered there too but they usually do not get the tip top of the iceberg so to speak,
In a tent the heat is the biggest issue you will face and you will need the best airflow you can get. for a 400 watt hps in an air cooled tent 1x1m2 I needed a 420 cfm fan for 76-80 degree temps , when I went to 600 hps it went up to a 700 ish fan and when I went up to a 1k hps I had to introduce a new vent carrying ac cooled air into it . I honestly would stick with 600 hps for smaller rooms as there more efficient then a 1k and easier to manage . Dont be told a tent is not productive , you may need to just be a little more proactive about it :) BB
Yeah, I have the recommend cfm for the 10x10 written deep in my notes. I was going to double or either triple the required amount just in case. I also didnt wanna create too much air to cause wind burn (something if experinced with my bag seed plant). So i may have to run ac thru, like you and someone else suggested. and im already leaning towards 2-3x 600w (including 315w cmh and flouresnt) instead of 2x 1000w. Depending on my watts when i calculate weather imma use ac. So it might be 2x600 instead of 3.
 

Budget Buds

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Yeah, I have the recommend cfm for the 10x10 written deep in my notes. I was going to double or either triple the required amount just in case. I also didnt wanna create too much air to cause wind burn (something if experinced with my bag seed plant). So i may have to run ac thru, like you and someone else suggested. and im already leaning towards 2-3x 600w (including 315w cmh and flouresnt) instead of 2x 1000w. Depending on my watts when i calculate weather imma use ac. So it might be 2x600 instead of 3.
One thing I have never had is to much air flow, Maybe you can but I dont know .... generally you dont know what you need till you set it up and check your temps the first time around, one 600 hps can run + or -10 degrees from another. If you have the cash then look into 3 600 over 2 1k hps , the watts will be less but the amount of lumens given off will be very close to 2 1k hps . The ac is not a guaranteed fo sho thing , If you have enough negative pressure going through the tent it wont be needed, Your temps will tell you if it is needed or not . You can go get a 5000 btu digital ac from walmart for 150, I price matched mine for 115 cause FUCK walmart !!!

Thanks Budget, I am looking into a DWC system after this grow. Does it require hourly supervision?
Maybe at first yeah 4 or so times a day, When you get it tuned in , once or twice a day until you switch to flower or if your doing something different with your res . After it has stabilized then back to once or twice a day
 

Carolina Dream'n

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That was my first option. I looked up the ir blockers in the past, but the room I'm growing in, the owner may need access nearby it, and I feel if I have my grow in the tent with carbon scrubbers it can decrease chance of smell leaking into other rooms.
A tent will leak way more smell than a "room inside a room". Also pulling air through your tent and out through the carbon will still leak some smell. Along with air cooling your hoods. Don't do it.

If smell is your concern. Seal your grow area. Look up a sealed grow room if you don't know what I'm talking about. There is no air exchange. Air conditioner, dehumidifier and co2 keep your environment in check, and most importantly, where you want it to be. While a fresh air room, IMO is nearly impossible to dial into temps and humidity 365 days a year.

Also, IMO their is no in between of sealed room and fresh air exchange. If your gonna need a air conditioner in your fresh air setup, rethink it because it's a complete waste of energy. Your paying for your air conditioners output to be sucked right out of your room. (When you run the ac in your home, you make sure the windows are shut, same concept.)
I like to use 6k btu per 1000 watts of light. That will cover the heat from your lights, ballast, dehumidifier, air pump, chiller, and c02 generator.
 

Budget Buds

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Also, IMO their is no in between of sealed room and fresh air exchange. If your gonna need a air conditioner in your fresh air setup, rethink it because it's a complete waste of energy. Your paying for your air conditioners output to be sucked right out of your room. (When you run the ac in your home, you make sure the windows are shut, same concept.)
I like to use 6k btu per 1000 watts of light. That will cover the heat from your lights, ballast, dehumidifier, air pump, chiller, and c02 generator.
I agree for the most part and had to deal with this issue, It became a room inside a room inside a room . I will post up a diagram of it when I get the chance. it is easier to show then to explain it but room 3 is flower inside of room 1 which is split into 1 and 2 , ac flows out of room three into room 2 and is sucked out of room 1 via big ass fan, in essence it mainly cools room 3 but slightly cools all rooms . it is slightly a waste of cool air but it is effective and the only way my current situation allows and has worked for almost 2 years . The ac is 440 watts and only costs 28 a month to operate on an 18/6 schedule so it is a loss that is more then acceptable IMO . BB
 

The_Herban_Legend

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If you get a pound a light you should be happy. More experienced growers with the right strain can do 1.5 pounds per 1000watts. But not in a tent, not enough room to grow.

Hands down best way is to deal up a room completely, get a 4x8 table, hang 3 xxxl reflectors with 1000watt lights, build an XL trellis. Inject co2 and get a commercial grade dehumidifer. And have fun
You are an idiot to say people can't yield over 1.5 lbs per 1000w light, in a tent. Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean others can't. I have seen it with my own eyes. You now lack credibility.
 
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Thronez

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A tent will leak way more smell than a "room inside a room". Also pulling air through your tent and out through the carbon will still leak some smell. Along with air cooling your hoods. Don't do it.

If smell is your concern. Seal your grow area. Look up a sealed grow room if you don't know what I'm talking about. There is no air exchange. Air conditioner, dehumidifier and co2 keep your environment in check, and most importantly, where you want it to be. While a fresh air room, IMO is nearly impossible to dial into temps and humidity 365 days a year.

Also, IMO their is no in between of sealed room and fresh air exchange. If your gonna need a air conditioner in your fresh air setup, rethink it because it's a complete waste of energy. Your paying for your air conditioners output to be sucked right out of your room. (When you run the ac in your home, you make sure the windows are shut, same concept.)
I like to use 6k btu per 1000 watts of light. That will cover the heat from your lights, ballast, dehumidifier, air pump, chiller, and c02 generator.
Yeah I saw one video on sealed rooms a few weeks ago...I didn't pay good enough attention to it tho. I thought the guy was just experimenting. But one thing i do remember from my notes is the benifits of co2. And it makes more sense to trap co2 in the grow area to promote more growth. Now i feel like using a co2 tank im a vented room would also be a waste. The only thing is i have a wattage limit, so i will have to cut out one of the 600w lights and only use 2, because the ac will be like another light (wattage wise) but i feel like the benifits of using a sealed room outweighs the con of one less light. . .....so in your opinion through experience, how much gpw dry with 2x600w in sealed room ,co2 etc. do you feel should be LEAST expected. I know you grow a totally different strain, so im only asking for a guesstimataion. And yeah, I understand about the ac being a waste in a vented room, just as co2 would be. I would definitely feel in more control of grow climate, and privacy with a sealed room.

Also I only ask because I know it's a big difference in yeild with 2 lights compared to multiple lights overlapping in a setup like yours.
 

Thronez

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Hey just a funny thought.... Have two dogs in my room to increase co2, because they breath it out right? :mrgreen: lol. nah, just kidding. But the video i saw on the guy who had a sealed room, he said whenever he stayed in his room for a little while, the co2 levels would dramatically increase.
 

ttystikk

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Hey just a funny thought.... Have two dogs in my room to increase co2, because they breath it out right? :mrgreen: lol. nah, just kidding. But the video i saw on the guy who had a sealed room, he said whenever he stayed in his room for a little while, the co2 levels would dramatically increase.
People and animals both exhale CO² constantly.
 

Budget Buds

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I do NOT know very much about co2 other then it allows you to go hotter in your room , up to the high 80s low 90s the plants use all co2 very quick. I only have seen systems that periodically enrich the room with co2 , The ventilation system shuts off and the co2 kicks on then after a set amount of time ( the time it takes for the ppms to rise to the level wanted) they shut off , allowing the ppm to fall back to normal and when that happens the ventilation systems kick back on. I dont dabble in co2 enrichment but honestly imo I think you should not concern yourself with it right now. c02 is for growers who are dialed in and know what there doing, have a strain that they know very well and are pushing the limits of what they can do without it already IMO :) BB
 

Alaric

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I started playing around with co2 once----spent ~1500 US for a 40 lb tank, monitor and controller. Getting refills got to be a real pain---- I agree with @Budget Buds----wait until you have everything dialed in---only then try it. I'm not the most qualified to suggest how the ventilation / cooling system should be configured.

Lots of variables to consider: What's going to happen to nute temp running high 80st to low 90s. what happens if/when the tank runs empty or the burner fails-----how much time before the plants aren't happy or worse???

Soooooo, is it worth the extra effort / $$? your call.

A~~~
 

letdown shifty

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Being a kush it was pretty damn tolerant to just about everything, pests I didnt have but I got a nice pretty color by dropping the temps low in the last few weeks of flower.They are pretty tolerant and potent with a nice yield. I grow gumboldt now as it is perfect for sog but it is (as far as I know) a clone only strain as it was a few years ago when I was given a few clones . get on http://original-ssc.com/ and search for it , by now it may be available in seed form. If you can find it I would go with it hands down. I can get 2lbs off of 25 plants in sog in a 40 inch x 40 inch tent with a 1000 hps every two months :) If you lived in Michigan I might be able to have a clone fall off the back of the truck somewheres too lol :) BB
As someone who does live in Michigan. Where is there a high probability of finding such lost clones in need of a new home? :-D
-Shifty
 

letdown shifty

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@letdown shifty if you ever make it out to Colorado, I know where some lost clones might be found... just let me know!
If I ever make it to Colorado, I'm not settling for lost clones. Going to sit down with you, my friend. Have a feeling I could learn a lot from chatting with you. My fist grow is proving to have 1 issue after another while trying to dial in the system to work for my needs.
-shifty
 

ttystikk

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If I ever make it to Colorado, I'm not settling for lost clones. Going to sit down with you, my friend. Have a feeling I could learn a lot from chatting with you. My fist grow is proving to have 1 issue after another while trying to dial in the system to work for my needs.
-shifty
I'm always happy to help the serious and dedicated grower. What's going on? Maybe start a new thread and tag me, so we don't hijack this one.

Besides, I only tell my very best clones to 'get lost'...
 

letdown shifty

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@Budget Buds I live in Muskegon county.

@ttystikk not any 1 particular thing. Was just stating 1st grow is never what you thought or planned it to be. Total learning curve to whatever system or strains you choose. Plus, when you get changing things like; grow system & light schedules, you may accidentally leave light controller in the 'On' instead of 'Auto' and noticed 24hr later which might I say can wreak havoc on plants that you just switched a week ago to flowering. Or, pumps come unplugged overnight.
Not trying to Hijack thread. Wishing @Thronez the best & be ready to change on the fly. All the best planning does not prepare you for your first time, just like Sex.
-Shifty
 

Budget Buds

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@Budget Buds I live in Muskegon county.

@Thronez the best & be ready to change on the fly. All the best planning does not prepare you for your first time, just like Sex.
-Shifty
yeah jamming it in the wrong hole usually ends in blue balls and a pisst off bitch lol.
I 'm up in emmet so it would be over 400 miles to get ya one :( If your ever up around the bridge hit me up and I'll meet up with ya for a minute :)
 
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