2811 Club Raided

J9BLACK

J9BLACK

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I am sure the club gave me a copy. I have no idea where it is.

I was a non-user for 18 years before it became "legal". I don't know any other patients, or recreational users. I pay my landscaper to care for my lawn--hell if I am going to grow my own plants! I love the medical and sometimes recreational benefits of cannabis, but it will never be the center of my life...as it might be for some. Having a place like the 2811 club is worth every penny.

I walk in, present my card, pay the membership fee, and get all of my neophyte questions answered as I decide on which strain. I only wish the fee were higher so I could get more than 5 grams at a time. I would pay $350 per visit for an ounce of quality tested medicine.

It would certainly be better if our hypocritical governor just allowed the dispensaries to open...or our federal government to end the war on drugs altogether.

Right now, I am stuck with no supplier.
 
J9BLACK

J9BLACK

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$75 was the club entrance fee. There was an ATM in the lobby and the doors were securely locked, and had to be unlocked for approved club members to enter the restricted zone. For being nascent, it was a nice model.

The reason I'd prefer to get an ounce at a time is for batching up tinctures. It's a bit of a drive for me to go into Phoenix; I'd prefer to visit the club every three months or so.

There is a Castle adult superstore just down the street from Goldwater HS. A big stink was made about it at the time (by others), but it's still there. There are no flashing neon signs of a strap-on or a S&M gear in the window. As much as it can be, it's discreet. Adult businesses must pass the "kid" test. If a kid walks by, will he be bombarded with inappropriate images? The answer must be no. If cannabis advocates would learn from that, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in.

Like the GLBT or any other alternative lifestyle movement, blending is more important than *bending* people to tolerate one's lifestyle choice. We must convince people that doctors, lawyers, engineers, and maybe even clergy can partake without acting like a pot leaf throwing, reeking, "occupier" of our family space.
 
Wolfhound

Wolfhound

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J9BLACK, Boy are you being taken ! Buying from a club across the parking lot from a day care center, paying outrageous fees, supporting this black eye on mmj, & thumbing your nose at the FEDS by your presence there ! Buying illegal from non cardholders (another thread) sounds like you fit right in . . . somewhere

I know you are new to the scene but making waves tends to rock boats . . .

(I wouldn't buy blood diamonds)

I must sound awfully negative (after reading ) but dam folks, this is just getting off the ground here & why push against the system so hard now when the FEDS say & do close down these illegal activities ?
In the long run I do support free enterprise & businessess that can make it on there own merits will prosper. As these early privateers rip off those with deep pockets & make us all look bad the rest of us will just have to continue trading/sharing cheaper in private than you will ever have it in public venues. The opening of clubs or places to dispense meds while they are totally federally illegal just does not make the rest of the state embrace or be compassionate about MMJ nor does it do an honest patient any good.
Just my personal opinion as a long term patient who can handle being away from my bunker (PTSD) thanks to mmj. No psycho drug has came close to controlling my problems . . .
 
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don2009

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Wolfhound said:
J9BLACK, Boy are you being taken ! Buying from a club across the parking lot from a day care center, paying outrageous fees, supporting this black eye on mmj, & thumbing your nose at the FEDS by your presence there ! Buying illegal from non cardholders (another thread) sounds like you fit right in . . . somewhere

I know you are new to the scene but making waves tends to rock boats . . .

(I wouldn't buy blood diamonds)

I must sound awfully negative (after reading ) but dam folks, this is just getting off the ground here & why push against the system so hard now when the FEDS say & do close down these illegal activities ?
In the long run I do support free enterprise & businessess that can make it on there own merits will prosper. As these early privateers rip off those with deep pockets & make us all look bad the rest of us will just have to continue trading/sharing cheaper in private than you will ever have it in public venues. The opening of clubs or places to dispense meds while they are totally federally illegal just does not make the rest of the state embrace or be compassionate about MMJ nor does it do an honest patient any good.
Just my personal opinion as a long term patient who can handle being away from my bunker (PTSD) thanks to mmj. No psycho drug has came close to controlling my problems . . .
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Your a fuckin IDIOT! You sound like weed is CRACK or something, its a learning process these guys seem like they just missed a couple red tape and guys this is a green rush 99% of people is tryng to get $$$$$$ its a high demand I understand the high prices is crazy but go somewhere else thats what you do for everything right? WTF!
 
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Philosophist

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don2009 said:
Your a fuckin IDIOT!
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You are = You're, not your.....
So its kind of YOU that's the fucking idiot huh?

How is he saying its like crack? He is saying its a learning process, I.e. "In the long run I do support free enterprise & businessess that can make it on there own merits will prosper. As these early privateers rip off those with deep pockets & make us all look bad the rest of us will just have to continue trading/sharing cheaper in private than you will ever have it in public venues."


The current clubs are doing a HELL of a lot more than "missed couple red tape" they are using patient based law as a legal way to traffic weed from out of state......

the rest is just stupid info about the green rush and people making money.....

So basically, YOU'RE a fucking idiot, you are speaking out of your overly sexed ass, and you should STFU when big kids are talking.......
 
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combatdoc0315

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don2009 said:
Your a fuckin IDIOT! You sound like weed is CRACK or something, its a learning process these guys seem like they just missed a couple red tape and guys this is a green rush 99% of people is tryng to get $$$$$$ its a high demand I understand the high prices is crazy but go somewhere else thats what you do for everything right? WTF!
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Wow.. I read this and had to re-read it again twice. Honestly it hurt my head. A green rush? LOL!!! You are jaded and out of your mind. How do you have 1,428 posts on RIU but you post garbage like that? Are you 12? These businesses are operating to make a profit, but at the expense of others who do it legally. I definitely think that patients should choices and the right to decide where they want to go their meds, but these businesses who are charging huge amounts to make a profit and they breaking the laws and making their own rules. MMJ laws were written so that profits are not supposed to be made, yet dispensaries are charging a 400-800% profit. It makes it hard for patients who legally got their cards hard to get the meds when prices are inflated so much. Dispensaries are not above the laws and should have to follow all the state laws and rules that MMJ card holders do.

I complete understand what J9BLACK was saying and I agree that we need to have options for where we get our meds. Not everybody can or wants to grow, so we need other places to go for that. But we also need to make sure people are not being taken advantage of and the rules are followed. Otherwise, the program that was set in place to help, will be continually scrutinized by the Feds and we will always be a target.
 
Wolfhound

Wolfhound

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donny,
I been smoking since '68 & have a fairly good idea about the world by now & AZ in particular. They missed a bit of RED tape allright & moved right into selling illegally by FED policy.
Hope you live long enough to understand a bit more (remember, lt's a learning process) & realize how good you have it. Maybe we'll meet and you can attempt your RAMBO to my face for a second, eh ? LOL
Jus trying to get along . . .
 
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combatdoc0315

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I like when there a good questions asked... Opinions with great arguments and debates as well. But man, I wish some people would smoke a little more and not come looking for a fight. I understand we all have our views on the subject, and by no means do I think that everyone will agree with what I think... but leave the name calling and stuff at home. Get on Xbox and whoop some kids on Black Ops if you need to be angry and vent. Keep things here high and calm..

Seems like every forum, there are always some angry people, mad at the world... who have to personally attack with profanity when it never needed to come to that point in the first place. Its much easier to get your point across and maybe change other peoples thinking....if you are not calling them F'ing idiots... capitalizing words and making one incomplete run-on sentence. It makes it hard to understand what you are saying.

Ill be the designated black(I'm white) man to say..... "Can't we all just get along?" Take a breather, smoke if you need to.. and keep it clean.. It will be much better that way.
 
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ssean

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What ever happened to free enterprise. Why dont people like for other people to make money. If a club was charging 100000% mark up i would say good for them just not going to make that off me. The world is f'ed up and the 99% is a perfict example. They would just sit in a park protesing then go find a job or make money.
 
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Philosophist

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ssean said:
What ever happened to free enterprise. Why dont people like for other people to make money. If a club was charging 100000% mark up i would say good for them just not going to make that off me. The world is f'ed up and the 99% is a perfict example. They would just sit in a park protesing then go find a job or make money.
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god you're incredibly stupid in your brain.
 
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combatdoc0315

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ssean said:
What ever happened to free enterprise. Why dont people like for other people to make money. If a club was charging 100000% mark up i would say good for them just not going to make that off me. The world is f'ed up and the 99% is a perfict example. They would just sit in a park protesing then go find a job or make money.
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If I had crayons, I would draw you a picture so you would understand what we are talking about.
Here is the short story that you may be able to understand..

There is not supposed to be a profit made off medical marijuana. There can be a charge for caregivers to patients for power usage etc but other than that, NO profits are suppose to be made. Dispensaries are bending the rules and screwing the legal patients in the mean time, by overcharging for their meds. IE.. profit being made in huge amounts.. They are taking advantage of people who can't or don't want to grow and they are messing things up for people who live within 25 miles of them since people within that distance are forced to buy from a dispensary and cannot grow it themselves because the way the law was written. So win/win for dispensary.

This world is F'd up.. I agree. By people who do not pay attention to things and by people who do not do their research about things before making a decision.. Like you for example. Keep up next time junior..
 
Kottonmouth king15

Kottonmouth king15

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So just a question you all are gonna pick apart-but here goes.how do u not make a profit?i mean really! If you grow 10lbs for under 400$-what do u charge a patient that wants a joint pack? There 8$at my fav. Club. I know they are making a profit selling me a joint. Or does this not count?
 
BeaverHuntr

BeaverHuntr

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Kottonmouth king15 said:
So just a question you all are gonna pick apart-but here goes.how do u not make a profit?i mean really! If you grow 10lbs for under 400$-what do u charge a patient that wants a joint pack? There 8$at my fav. Club. I know they are making a profit selling me a joint. Or does this not count?
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No one is bitching about making a profit, that fine we all understand how that works. However lets be real and not greedy. 400 dollars a ounce is taking advantage of the MMJ community. I mean thats the normal price on the street and you guys know that. So by all means make a profit just dont get Mr. Burns greedy about it. If its a rare strain or a hard to get clone only strain or a top breeder like OG Raskal than yeah charge 400 a zone but for regular meds like Grand daddy purp and Bubba Kush etc, lets be reasonable and charge 30o a zone.
So yeah make a profit just make a profit that serves the entire MMJ community so everyone is happy.
 
Kottonmouth king15

Kottonmouth king15

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I guess i dont understand it all either!lolbut non profit would be to sell for what it costs to grow it rt?including over-head(power etc),how do they pay there employees? Or afford to live? I dont mean get rich off med mj,but what is an acceptable profit margin? None? Not debating,just confused i reckon.
 
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irieie

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Kottonmouth king15 said:
I guess i dont understand it all either!lolbut non profit would be to sell for what it costs to grow it rt?including over-head(power etc),how do they pay there employees? Or afford to live? I dont mean get rich off med mj,but what is an acceptable profit margin? None? Not debating,just confused i reckon.
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we dont care about making a profit. we will leave that one for the feds to fuss over. we do care about being forced to pay extremely high prices for medicine while we are denied cultivation rights when the dispensaries open. that is why we are angry. dont worry the norcal outdoor will still be sold here for $400 an o and all the middle men and the norcal growers will make their margins this season.:wink:
 
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Philosophist

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SOmeday soon im seeing Arizona indoor being well known herb...we seem to have a strong "team" of independent growers that all get along for the most part...... if/when we combine our forces we will dick stomp other states weed.
that way we can start keeping some of that sweet "fuck you" money that cali has here in our state.

Im Kingfish number one about not getting rich off weed, mainly because if someone gets rich off it, someone is getting ripped off and i just dont feel right about that.
But if we grew that quality and quantity that cali does or even close to it we could all put out kids through college AND no one would be ripped off by 100 middle men.....

That situation would allow me to put a few bucks away guilt free....
 
Kottonmouth king15

Kottonmouth king15

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Nice shot at norcal! Lmao. I get four&a half for a qtr lb & norcal is the prob? Hahahahaha i didnt realize we fought for legalization as individual states?not a s a whole?ohwell.sorry arizona is so bad off.i still dont understand the need to "dick stomp"other states weed?
 
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Philosophist

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Kottonmouth king15 said:
Nice shot at norcal! Lmao. I get four&a half for a qtr lb & norcal is the prob? Hahahahaha i didnt realize we fought for legalization as individual states?not a s a whole?ohwell.sorry arizona is so bad off.i still dont understand the need to "dick stomp"other states weed?
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dont get a sandy vagina bro...was only saying that hopefully someday Az will have just as good, or better weed than cali.
Sorry for reppin my state and wanting us to get cheaper weed...

are you just another snobby califag trying to remind us poor old 'Zoners how stupid and backwards we are????
hope not....

Cuz im being nice:)
 
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