12x9 how much lights

FootClan said:

two 400wats does not equal a 1000w .......... 40,000 lumens + 40,000 lumens = 80,000 lumens and a 1000w is 140,000 lumens so that means that you are wrong and they do not equal the same..... there amps are not he same eather.....

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FootClan said:

I keep my 1000w 12-16 inchs from the canopy not 2 feet or more....... Further more 600w is more efficient then a 400w this is old news man .... 600w is most lumens per wat..... My 600w is a little under 5amps and my 400w is a little under 4amps so they are almost same amps but the 600w gets 50,000 more lumens so id rather add an extra amp or two and gain more then double the lumens.... This is common sense here

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Hybrid Theory said:

your 400's suck then my only draw 1.8 amps each! you clearly calculate only for yourself and your equipment..try thinking outside the box homie.
12-16 inches is a big difference..wich is it 12" or 16" why the variable distance? sounds like bs to me. and a 1000 watt light from either 12" or 16" looses oh about 25% of its lumens by the time it reaches the plants..you dont know inverse square law and its very obvious.
also 1 1000 watt looses lumens dramaticly towards the edge of its coverage area..were 2 x 400's give you two = light sources that can be put an equal distance apart from each other and a complete even bed of light aross the table from end to end. save a but ton of power and easier to cool..600's by lumen gen #'s only, yes are the most efficient lumen per watt light on the market..but thats only taking in one factor..lumen per watt..what about power cost? bulb cost? cooling? canopy level? ballast cost ? etc..400 wins every time when you actually factor in true efficiency across the board.

i have 2 1000's, 3 600's, 4 400's , a 250 , a t5 high output 4 foot 6 bulb..125 watt hydrofarm cfl, two light house ufo led's @ 90w each(made in usa)
ive compaired each over and over, and from the results..a combination of 4 x 400's and the leds does wonderfull ..great spectrum and light pen.
in a 10x10..light from wall to wall..
my crystal production has been the same if not more since i added the leds for extra spectrum, and my power bill dropped about 50-60 bucks a month right off the top.
my temps became even easier to control and dropped overall about 2-3 degrees.
my yields and product were even match no matter what size bulbs and ballast i use..
and it all started many years ago with a compair grow of 1 1000w vs 2 400's..
i saved power there to, easier to cool, and got the same exact product wieght and potency except the 400's did better near the wall edges than one 1000watter did..
all the buds were nice and uniform across the canopy as well, were as the 1 1000 watt..the highest biggest buds were of course center, under the light and got smaller in size the further away it got..
two light sources closer to your plantz vs one from further away..
its really a simple concept to grasp..its actually a way to counter the inverse sqaure law that costs your thousand watter lumens from the center out.

i also am perpetual, so my control is always correct..same mom, same clones/strain grown, same veg time etc.
genetics have more to do with every living plant or person than the light .
for example..short , tall, big and small were all born under the same sun(light)
think about it.
its the genetics..like querkle from tga..once you get it to its breaking point your yields will be the same everytime given the same setup is used/methods/etc..
not many folks take the time to grow the same strain for 10 years straight either.

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Hybrid Theory said:

inverse sqaure law must be wrong to then eh? a 1000 watt light has to be double the distance than two 400's ..
for every foot you raise a light you dramiticly decrease lumens..INVERSE SQUARE LAW>>get over it..
quit trying to disprove mathmatics silly.

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VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO said:

to bad LUMENS is what people see and really doesn't mean anything for a plant, plants use and see par.

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Hybrid Theory said:

your 400's suck then my only draw 1.8 amps each! you clearly calculate only for yourself and your equipment..try thinking outside the box homie.
12-16 inches is a big difference..wich is it 12" or 16" why the variable distance? sounds like bs to me. and a 1000 watt light from either 12" or 16" looses oh about 25% of its lumens by the time it reaches the plants..you dont know inverse square law and its very obvious.
also 1 1000 watt looses lumens dramaticly towards the edge of its coverage area..were 2 x 400's give you two = light sources that can be put an equal distance apart from each other and a complete even bed of light aross the table from end to end. save a but ton of power and easier to cool..600's by lumen gen #'s only, yes are the most efficient lumen per watt light on the market..but thats only taking in one factor..lumen per watt..what about power cost? bulb cost? cooling? canopy level? ballast cost ? etc..400 wins every time when you actually factor in true efficiency across the board.

i have 2 1000's, 3 600's, 4 400's , a 250 , a t5 high output 4 foot 6 bulb..125 watt hydrofarm cfl, two light house ufo led's @ 90w each(made in usa)
ive compaired each over and over, and from the results..a combination of 4 x 400's and the leds does wonderfull ..great spectrum and light pen.
in a 10x10..light from wall to wall..
my crystal production has been the same if not more since i added the leds for extra spectrum, and my power bill dropped about 50-60 bucks a month right off the top.
my temps became even easier to control and dropped overall about 2-3 degrees.
my yields and product were even match no matter what size bulbs and ballast i use..
and it all started many years ago with a compair grow of 1 1000w vs 2 400's..
i saved power there to, easier to cool, and got the same exact product wieght and potency except the 400's did better near the wall edges than one 1000watter did..
all the buds were nice and uniform across the canopy as well, were as the 1 1000 watt..the highest biggest buds were of course center, under the light and got smaller in size the further away it got..
two light sources closer to your plantz vs one from further away..
its really a simple concept to grasp..its actually a way to counter the inverse sqaure law that costs your thousand watter lumens from the center out.

i also am perpetual, so my control is always correct..same mom, same clones/strain grown, same veg time etc.
genetics have more to do with every living plant or person than the light .
for example..short , tall, big and small were all born under the same sun(light)
think about it.
its the genetics..like querkle from tga..once you get it to its breaking point your yields will be the same everytime given the same setup is used/methods/etc..
not many folks take the time to grow the same strain for 10 years straight either.

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FootClan said:

you are just resiting what you read in the Joerge Civ. books.... the light dosent need to be that far from the plants if its air cooled. Thats just what he says in his books dosent make it true Hes teaching newbs so hes giving them advice that is helpful EX: better to keep the light away then burn your plants but im not a newb i can figure out how far to put my light from the plants based how hot it is not based on what hes says.......like i said i keep my 1000w 12-16 INCHS from the plants.........

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medz said:

You can believe whatever you want if that makes you feel better.

But a 1000w light bulb is going to consume 1kW and that is what you are paying for.

You are correct it will reduce your amps by half.
your assumption that running 240V will consume half as much electricity is false.
If this were true, your plants would be getting half as much light.

Ohms law: Watts = Volts x Amps

Amps is reduced by half.
Volts is doubled
Watts stays the same.

You pay for Watts not amps or volts.

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jdmcwestevo said:

in most of my rooms i can literally put my hoods onto the plants if i wanted to but the light gets too intense close up the ideal distance is 18" from canopy to top. i can hold my hand on my glass all day long and there is no heat. 400s are great lights i am doing a bunch of tests with a CMH 400w in my test room right now, but for yield a 1000 will always yield heavier

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FootClan said:

no point in debating it.........If 400w where better then everyone would be using them, venders would be coming into the club bragging about how good there 400watt grows are .... People would be coming into the hydro store requesting 400watss...... but they dont...... All our club venders use eather the sun or 600w/1000w bulbs.... All the customers at the hydro ask me for 1000w bulbs...

Thats like saying LEDs are better then HPS, if that was really the case there would be LEDS stacked up in peramids on the showroom floor but no we have 1000w's and 600w's stacked up on the floor because thats what people want and why do they want it?? You would say there sheep and dont know better....... But id say they do know better and they are steppin it up to do it right...

Look Dude when tech. makes strides forward people follow,,, EX: First there was records then 8- track then tapes then cds then Ipods.... when something is BETTER the PEOPLE will FOLLOW but people arent following Leds people arent throwing away there 1000watters for 400watters ....people arent getting rid of ther CFLS for LEDS because there NOT better.... Now when the tech. catches up and the NEXT new grow light is evented that is ACTUALLY better then your standerd 1000w light people will fuckin take notice and change with it........... But dont try and tell us all that you have discoverd something that we all havent figured out yet in 30 years that 400watts been around.......

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jdmcwestevo said:

i feel stupid man i was told that by so many electricians i hate repeating things that aren't fact im glad i learned the correct way of things though

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FootClan said:

No worries i feel the same way....People always coming into store trying to tell me the dumbest things and some of them are actually very convising too so dont feel dumb

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jdmcwestevo said:

i am a firm believer that you get out what you put in. if i am pumping 20k watts into 96 plants i believe i will get more out of them than if i use LED panels or 40 400ws ROFLMAO

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FootClan said:

LEDS look pretty ill give them that........We use them at he club to display clones in glass cases....... LOL

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