Arizona GOPer Resigns After Calling for Forced Sterilization of Women on Medicaid

Doer said:

"Kill their young?" It seems like you do have so feelings about this.

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abandonconflict said:

Poverty and population growth are correlated. Instead of trying to deal with poverty by controlling population growth which has never worked, we ought to deal with population growth by controlling poverty.

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abandonconflict said:

Poverty and population growth are correlated. Instead of trying to deal with poverty by controlling population growth which has never worked, we ought to deal with population growth by controlling poverty.

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schuylaar said:

i'm glad there are a few on this board who recognizes the true issue..

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ginwilly said:

How so?

Our steepest decline in poverty coincided with the steepest growth in population.

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ABSTRACT
This chapter presents estimates of the number of people in poverty and changes over time in the number of people in poverty, identifies factors that are related to poverty, and evaluates the role that population growth plays in determining poverty. Attention is paid to both the standard definition of poverty and to the broader concept of well-being. Little direct evidence on the impact of population growth exists. Indirect evidence, however, suggests some possible links. First, rapid population growth is likely to reduce per capita income growth and well-being, which tends to increase poverty. Second, in densely populated poor nations with pressure on land, rapid population growth increases landlessness and hence the incidence of poverty. Finally, the adverse effects of rapid population growth on child health, and possibly on education, will likely increase poverty in the next generation. While the direction of the impact of these links is reasonably clear, whether they have a quantitatively important impact on poverty (conventionally measured) is unclear. What is clear, however, is that reduction of poverty is most likely to occur by direct interventions. Constraining population growth represents an indirect policy that probably will not have a particularly large independent impact on poverty reduction in the short-run, especially vis-a vis a host of alternative poverty alleviation policies.

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Abstract

The paper begins (Part I) with a brief review of the current demographic situation in the developing world. Particular attention goes to the shift over time in the association across countries between low income and high fertility and mortality rates. Part II is concerned with the effects of rapid population growth on the situation of the poor. These effects operate at the national level by influencing factor and product prices and the per caput availability of investment resources; as the poor are usually the last in line for jobs, school places and public health services, rapid population growth hurts them disproportionately. They also operate at the family level, by reducing parents' per-child investments in health and education; since the poor tend to have large families, poor children are often particularly disadvantaged. The negative association between income and fertility is clear, across countries and across households within countries. Association alone gives few clues to causation, however; in Part III a review is made of the theory at the family level regarding the relation between family size and family members' health and educational as well as income status, seeking to answer whether and to what extent low income, lack of education and poor health cause high fertility, the major contributor to rapid population growth. Part IV discusses population policy, with particular attention to an important component of policy, the delivery of family planning services to the poor. Reducing population growth is not an end in itself but a means to the larger end of improving human welfare. Provision of family planning services, however, serves both as a means of fertility reduction, and as an end. Illustrative projections of population growth into the 21st century follow (Part V), based on a set of assumptions regarding the future course of growth and poverty alleviation and the future family planning policies of developing countries.

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ginwilly said:

Read what you posted.

Little direct evidence, possible indirect evidence, population control will probably not have a particularly large impact.... But I have an opinion in spite of facts, therefore it's true.

So, does increased population cause an increase in poverty or not?

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ginwilly said:

Read what you posted.

Little direct evidence, possible indirect evidence, population control will probably not have a particularly large impact.... But I have an opinion in spite of facts, therefore it's true.

So, does increased population cause an increase in poverty or not?

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althor said:

Shit on that. I personally believe any woman who is on welfare, who has a baby while on welfare should also be given birth control like the norplant until they are in a better position.
One of my employees has a sister who has had 11 ELEVEN babies. She has never done anything BUT be on welfare. Sits around the house all day drinking, smoking crack, and screwing. Out of those 11 babies, she has custody of 4. Two live with their fathers, and the rest were given up for adoption.
People are quick to say, you cant punish the babies, and I agree. But you CAN punish the women who are nothing but breeding factories and take NO responsibility for their actions.

Oh, by the way, she has foodstamps for sell right now, 50c on the dollar. I can hook you up!

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NLXSK1 said:

Likely a decrease in population causes an increase in poverty

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NLXSK1 said:

Likely a decrease in population causes an increase in poverty due to diminishing demand for goods and services thus driving the price lower.

I do not believe an increase in population can be determined the same way. The reason and scope of the population increase must be taken into account to determine that. The population increase could be due to a new resource or invention creating a type of gold rush. In those circumstances poverty is nearly eliminated due to the need for labor to take advantage of the resource. On the other hand a population increase due to forced relocation due to war, famine or natural disaster is likely to lead to an increase in poverty.

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abandonconflict said:

No, as the scientific articles above show, there is a correlation between poverty and population growth. That much is fact.

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ginwilly said:

My ignorance here, I'm missing the correlation. Can you explain what it is? what follows what?

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abandonconflict said:

Poor people have more babies.

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ginwilly said:

Yes, but could you say the mindset of some people is the reason for them being poor?
Or is the claim they are poor because they keep having babies?

I'm not trolling this time, I'm curious to know if there is cause and effect?

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abandonconflict said:

So you were indeed simply trolling me in the other thread, got it.

Rephrase your question. Are you asking me to admit that people are poor because they're stupid?

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