Does the expansion of settlements hinder the peace process?

[abandonconflict]

but it’s all good because a religious book says so?

The funny thing is, the Torah actually doesn't support Zionism at all.

You're right though, even if it did, that would not justify apartheid.

 

[echelon1k1]

so, when people who launch rockets from hospital roofs, stage carbombings in crowded markets, and stuff bombs into retarded kid's backpacks do violence, thats terrorism, but when the ONLY authority in the territory moves in to stamp out the assholes thats also terrorism, so the israelis should stop fighting back, because they are supposed to act like grownups, no matter how nefarious the opposition might be. brilliant

Deflect and decieve... UNSCR only apply to islamic states - a jewish state is free to ignore these at will, without sanction, while seeking UN support for military action against another Islamic state. Shooting innocent, unarmed children is okay because they're "moslem" and not of the chosen people. You'll just right those off as fake deaths staged to make israel look bad, all 1,373 of them and rising.

Bullshit.
israel ranks #16 of the international Human Development Index
the highest ranked moslem country is #30 Brunai, and it's in Oceania you fool. the highest ranked moslem nation in the middle east/orient is #36, quatar.

and in the grand tradition of your unsourced claims, i wont even link tot he actual report, just the wikipage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

you really do suck at argument. all you really have is weak insults and the Btselem numbers which FYI i already showed you months ago double count incidents, and report people as dead who are in fact NOT deceased

Jewish virtual library and all the B'nai B'rith biased garbage you link to is soooo much more credible and trustworthy. Talk about a slanted fucking opinion based on religion. So happy to pick and choose when the UN supports your assertions but should the UN collectively condemn israels actions they're just anti-semites without a real understanding of the issue. cool story brasef...

Israel 4th in Mideast standard of living - http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4175044,00.html

Israel ranks fourth compared to 30 Arab countries in its standard of living and gross domestic product per capita, and is preceded by only Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates, according to a Yedioth Ahronoth inquiry. The inquiry was based on figures compiled by international economic organizations, like the IMF and OECD, and the CIA and Economist.

yep. thats right israel should be the LAST foreign aid we cut.we got lotsa shit to cut before we get down to things which have value.

we could cut:

$800k for african ball washing
$200k annually for maintenance of a bridge in the california desert which goes nowhere and is not connected to any road
~$2.5million or so spent annually printing our ballots and government publications in every language known to man
~$1.5 BILLION annually we pay for the UN to tell us how naughty we are

and so on.

but it's not your money, so you dont even get a vote.

Buying the US more hatred doesn't sound like value for money. Doesn't sound like it's your money either considering your families track record with paying taxes...

 

[echelon1k1]

The funny thing is, the Torah actually doesn't support Zionism at all.

You're right though, even if it did, that would not justify apartheid.

That's where they get this bullshit idea of the promised land. Just don't let radical elements of another religious group use a couple of thousand year old book to justify terrorism.

 

[echelon1k1]

and the pallies have ample support from the moslem world, more than sufficient to stand on their own, and conduct sabotage, murder and infiltration on anyone they chose.

For such long standing allies, you have to question why Israel conducts the most aggressive espionage campaign against the US, why it re-sells US weapons to your enemies (Iraq via china), why AIPAC has been investigated for espionage and high treason and how at every turn they seem to be undermining and sabotaging US relations with other mid east states and ensuring no progress can be made with Palestine.

Breaking the Taboo on Israel's Spying Efforts on the United States

Scratch a counterintelligence officer in the U.S. government and they'll tell you that Israel is not a friend to the United States.

This is because Israel runs one of the most aggressive and damaging espionage networks targeting the U.S.. The fact of Israeli penetration into the country is not a subject oft-discussed in the media or in the circles of governance, due to the extreme sensitivity of the U.S.-Israel relationship coupled with the burden of the Israel lobby, which punishes legislators who dare to criticize the Jewish state. The void where the facts should sit is filled instead with the hallucinations of conspiracy theory -- the kind in which, for example, agents of the Mossad, Israel’s top intelligence agency, engineer the 9/11 attacks, while 4,000 Israelis in the Twin Towers somehow all get word to escape before the planes hit. The effect, as disturbing as it is ironic, is that the less the truth is addressed, the more noxious the falsity that spreads.

 

[tokeprep]

Israel 4th in Mideast standard of living - http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4175044,00.html

This is exceedingly misleading. In Qatar, Kuwait, and the United Arab Emirates, the citizen population is substantially outnumbered by foreign workers (out of about 14 million people, less than 3 million are citizens). The money in those countries comes from oil wealth and is divided by the royal families and the citizens; the foreign workers get scraps. The living standards of the vast majority of foreign workers in those countries are terrible.

Even if you want to ignore that, it's not fair to compare countries with tiny populations and huge resource wealth to a country that isn't dependent on it.

HDI is certainly a much better standard, otherwise you're equating 3 million masters with their 11 million slaves.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Deflect and decieve... UNSCR only apply to islamic states - a jewish state is free to ignore these at will, without sanction, while seeking UN support for military action against another Islamic state. Shooting innocent, unarmed children is okay because they're "moslem" and not of the chosen people. You'll just right those off as fake deaths staged to make israel look bad, all 1,373 of them and rising.

actually i dont give a shit what the UN says, since they are a corrupt organization run by a group of assholes of who 60% are representing tin pot dictators like the Kims in north korea, the chinese politburo, various islamic theocracies and monarchies, marxist authoritarian states, and corrupt regimes of all sorts. if you wish you can even include the US in that number, i dont mind. my government is pretty fucked up from any angle. why should i care what that club of stinking shitmongers says?

Jewish virtual library and all the B'nai B'rith biased garbage you link to is soooo much more credible and trustworthy. Talk about a slanted fucking opinion based on religion.

i dotn trust anyone with an agenda, but the jewish virtual library's facts are easily confirmed by HISTORY. unlike your facts from btselem which i already showed were in error using basic mathematics.

So happy to pick and choose when the UN supports your assertions but should the UN collectively condemn israels actions they're just anti-semites without a real understanding of the issue. cool story brasef...

what did i pick and choose from? i dont cite the UN as the authority for any military action, international agreements or international relations, i will use their documents because their research department is far larger than my own, but when i do source data from the UN i always double check it from a different source or examine their methodology before i cite it as proof of anything. example: the UN's african aids stats are 100% bullshit as the reports which generate those stats are gathered from witch doctors as well as medical practitioners who actually know shit. independant research showed that the causes of death in rural africa were pretty much limited to two categories "Nommed by Lion" or "Aids" and sometimes the witch doctor would check BOTH boxes.

this does not mean the UN is useless as a source (unlike facebook campaigns which attribute opinions to people who dies 40 years ago...)

Israel 4th in Mideast standard of living - http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4175044,00.html

Ynet's unsourced claims are pointless, and are based on "gross domestic product per capita" and thus provide only a sample of the "standard of the economy's living"
any economy will look good when you have a relatively small population and are an oil rich nation. but the actual average income in those countries makes the US's "income inequality" look like Karl Marx's fantasyland by comparison.
the Human Development Index is actually useful, and accurately reflects the standard of living in a nation. even though it is statistical data from the very UN you seem to insist is the fountainhead of all things good and righteous... who is picking and choosing?

Buying the US more hatred doesn't sound like value for money. Doesn't sound like it's your money either considering your families track record with paying taxes...

wow that was cutting.
you really are incredibly stupid.

i shall repeat because you are so slow and stupid.

grandfather's farm was sold to pay the estate taxes, not BACK TAXES

the IRS valued the farm at a vastly inflated price, and we had to sell it for FAR less than they said it was worth, since we could not just give the IRS $2million in cash. the IRS turned us into "Motivated sellers" by attaching penalties if we didnt give them their money by a certain date, and the net result was, when time ran out, the entire estate after taxes was a few grand, his el camino and his guns. i got the el camino and his guns. everybody else split the money, getting about 10grand each, between 5 grandkids.

but hey, you go ahead thinking youre clever.

and you still suck at making an argument.

 

[Doer]

When is a troll not a troll.....never....get it?

 

[echelon1k1]

actually i dont give a shit what the UN says, since they are a corrupt organization run by a group of assholes of who 60% are representing tin pot dictators like the Kims in north korea, the chinese politburo, various islamic theocracies and monarchies, marxist authoritarian states, and corrupt regimes of all sorts. if you wish you can even include the US in that number, i dont mind. my government is pretty fucked up from any angle. why should i care what that club of stinking shitmongers says?
i dotn trust anyone with an agenda, but the jewish virtual library's facts are easily confirmed by HISTORY. unlike your facts from btselem which i already showed were in error using basic mathematics.
what did i pick and choose from? i dont cite the UN as the authority for any military action, international agreements or international relations, i will use their documents because their research department is far larger than my own, but when i do source data from the UN i always double check it from a different source or examine their methodology before i cite it as proof of anything. example: the UN's african aids stats are 100% bullshit as the reports which generate those stats are gathered from witch doctors as well as medical practitioners who actually know shit. independant research showed that the causes of death in rural africa were pretty much limited to two categories "Nommed by Lion" or "Aids" and sometimes the witch doctor would check BOTH boxes.

this does not mean the UN is useless as a source (unlike facebook campaigns which attribute opinions to people who dies 40 years ago...)

Ynet's unsourced claims are pointless, and are based on "gross domestic product per capita" and thus provide only a sample of the "standard of the economy's living"
any economy will look good when you have a relatively small population and are an oil rich nation. but the actual average income in those countries makes the US's "income inequality" look like Karl Marx's fantasyland by comparison.
the Human Development Index is actually useful, and accurately reflects the standard of living in a nation. even though it is statistical data from the very UN you seem to insist is the fountainhead of all things good and righteous... who is picking and choosing?

wow that was cutting.
you really are incredibly stupid.

i shall repeat because you are so slow and stupid.

grandfather's farm was sold to pay the estate taxes, not BACK TAXES

the IRS valued the farm at a vastly inflated price, and we had to sell it for FAR less than they said it was worth, since we could not just give the IRS $2million in cash. the IRS turned us into "Motivated sellers" by attaching penalties if we didnt give them their money by a certain date, and the net result was, when time ran out, the entire estate after taxes was a few grand, his el camino and his guns. i got the el camino and his guns. everybody else split the money, getting about 10grand each, between 5 grandkids.

but hey, you go ahead thinking youre clever.

and you still suck at making an argument.

So the UN are "Stinking shitmongers" when condemning Israel but awesome dudes when granting mandates for a newly established country. Pot meet kettle.

At the end of the day you're nothing but a religious extremist, worthy of JDL praise, identical to the "mohammedan cocksuckers" you despise.

of all the abrahamic psuedoreligions,, the mohammedans are just the most duplicitous, the whiniest and the ones who get their panites in a twist every time things dont go their way. they piss me off, their book is the worst of the three (and the other two anint no great shakes either) and if i had to choose ONE religion to wipe from history, they are the ones i would scrub. that particular brand of compulsion and coercion by force is the MOST distasteful to me.

You sound like Ahmediejad just the republicunt chicken hawk variety... Well deserved title of "Skynehead"...

 

[Dr Kynes]

So the UN are "Stinking shitmongers" when condemning Israel but awesome dudes when granting mandates for a newly established country. Pot meet kettle.

nope. i dont give a rat's ass what the UN says on any policy, any nation's status as a nation or how any nation should behave, but that does not mean they are all fools (like yourself), incapable of separating FACT from opinion or agenda.
the UN has a few agencies under their umbrella who do a decent job of collecting and collating data, and the Human Development Index is one of those programs that works. likewise, the World health Organization does some good work, but they exaggerate the aids numbers in africa so they can get more funding. the commission on palestine is notoriously biased against the israelis, demanding that the israelis tyake it in the shorts, and submit to attacks that NO OTHER NATION WOULD BE EXPECTED TO ACCEPT!

At the end of the day you're nothing but a religious extremist, worthy of JDL praise, identical to the "mohammedan cocksuckers" you despise.

yes, i have no illusions about the nature of islam, it IS a hateful and viscious false religion crafted by an illiterate pederast camel-thief as a "mash-up" of judaism, early christianity, and the primitive tribal faith of his people. he was a plagiarist, a pervert and an opium addict, and his "religion" has all the validity and internal consistency of $cientology. and yes, if i had the power to scrub one religion from history, islam would be the one. it literally cannot stop sucking cocks. moslem society has been stuck in a dark age for nearly 400 years with no signs of a renaissance, and everyhwere they go they expect the current inhabitants to accommodate THEIR bullshit rather than accommodating the existing bullshit of their new neighbours.

none of this means i hate moslems, any more than i hate the victims of $cientology. i just dont care about their bullshit.

thats the number one difference between judaism and islam, jews have a 2000 year history of living quiet lives, requiring no special treatment from those outside their community. everywhere the jews have gone, the WORST thing you could say about them is that they are insular and exclude others from their social framework.

islam however, demands that those who are not moslems submit to their rules, acept their superstitions and go to extreme lengths to accomodate their backwards ass retarded religious rules.

in china, the moslem minority demanded that during the recent year of the pig celebrations, non moslem chinese were not allowed to display images of pigs, or eat pork in public, so as to avoid offending the delicate sensibilities of muzzies
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116969259069387154.html
and just in case the wall street journal is too "right wing" to be a reputable source...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7480083

in scotland there was a huge swirling mass of butthurt over a postcard with a puppy on it!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2229719/Apology-over-offensive-puppy-police-advert-after-Muslim-complaints.html

i could go on, but who the fuck cares what you think.

You sound like Ahmediejad just the republicunt chicken hawk variety... Well deserved title of "Skynehead"...

eat a sack of dicks, i've had my fill of your bile and holocaust denial for another month.

 

[abandonconflict]

yes, i have no illusions about the nature of islam, it IS a hateful and viscious false religion crafted by an illiterate pederast camel-thief as a "mash-up" of judaism, early christianity, and the primitive tribal faith of his people. he was a plagiarist, a pervert and an opium addict, and his "religion" has all the validity and internal consistency of $cientology. and yes, if i had the power to scrub one religion from history, islam would be the one. it literally cannot stop sucking cocks. moslem society has been stuck in a dark age for nearly 400 years with no signs of a renaissance, and everyhwere they go they expect the current inhabitants to accommodate THEIR bullshit rather than accommodating the existing bullshit of their new neighbours.

none of this means i hate moslems, any more than i hate the victims of $cientology. i just dont care about their bullshit.

thats the number one difference between judaism and islam, jews have a 2000 year history of living quiet lives, requiring no special treatment from those outside their community. everywhere the jews have gone, the WORST thing you could say about them is that they are insular and exclude others from their social framework.

islam however, demands that those who are not moslems submit to their rules, acept their superstitions and go to extreme lengths to accomodate their backwards ass retarded religious rules.

in china, the moslem minority demanded that during the recent year of the pig celebrations, non moslem chinese were not allowed to display images of pigs, or eat pork in public, so as to avoid offending the delicate sensibilities of muzzies

your bile and holocaust

Were you born retarded, or have you just always been a retard?

 

[echelon1k1]

nope. i dont give a rat's ass what the UN says on any policy, any nation's status as a nation or how any nation should behave, but that does not mean they are all fools (like yourself), incapable of separating FACT from opinion or agenda.
the UN has a few agencies under their umbrella who do a decent job of collecting and collating data, and the Human Development Index is one of those programs that works. likewise, the World health Organization does some good work, but they exaggerate the aids numbers in africa so they can get more funding. the commission on palestine is notoriously biased against the israelis, demanding that the israelis tyake it in the shorts, and submit to attacks that NO OTHER NATION WOULD BE EXPECTED TO ACCEPT!



yes, i have no illusions about the nature of islam, it IS a hateful and viscious false religion crafted by an illiterate pederast camel-thief as a "mash-up" of judaism, early christianity, and the primitive tribal faith of his people. he was a plagiarist, a pervert and an opium addict, and his "religion" has all the validity and internal consistency of $cientology. and yes, if i had the power to scrub one religion from history, islam would be the one. it literally cannot stop sucking cocks. moslem society has been stuck in a dark age for nearly 400 years with no signs of a renaissance, and everyhwere they go they expect the current inhabitants to accommodate THEIR bullshit rather than accommodating the existing bullshit of their new neighbours.

none of this means i hate moslems, any more than i hate the victims of $cientology. i just dont care about their bullshit.

thats the number one difference between judaism and islam, jews have a 2000 year history of living quiet lives, requiring no special treatment from those outside their community. everywhere the jews have gone, the WORST thing you could say about them is that they are insular and exclude others from their social framework.

islam however, demands that those who are not moslems submit to their rules, acept their superstitions and go to extreme lengths to accomodate their backwards ass retarded religious rules.

in china, the moslem minority demanded that during the recent year of the pig celebrations, non moslem chinese were not allowed to display images of pigs, or eat pork in public, so as to avoid offending the delicate sensibilities of muzzies
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116969259069387154.html
and just in case the wall street journal is too "right wing" to be a reputable source...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7480083

in scotland there was a huge swirling mass of butthurt over a postcard with a puppy on it!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2229719/Apology-over-offensive-puppy-police-advert-after-Muslim-complaints.html

i could go on, but who the fuck cares what you think.



eat a sack of dicks, i've had my fill of your bile and holocaust denial for another month.

Whole bunch of bullshit to try and justify why you're better than any other run-of-the-mill religious whackjob that thinks jews are superior to muslims.

Keep barking you rabid JDL lapdog, the Israel lobby would be so proud...

 

[socalcoolmx]

at least 90% what?

giant pictures with little words doesnt make YOUR position clear, it simply re-publishes what somebody else says.

if you want to express an opinion you gotta use your words, but it has to be YOUR words not just pithy quotes and slogans from others.

dont let abandonintellect drag you into his shitty "debate style"

say what you mean and mean what you say or keep it to yourself.

if yoiu wish to opine that "palestine is 100% of the levant and israel is an illegal criminal zionist regime, which should be lifted/cleansed form the pages of time", SAY SO
if you think both sides should have their ears twisted until they sit down and sort out their fucking bullshit, then SAY SO
if you think the pallies have been twisting the press around their little finger with fabricated gunfights, fake atrocities, and fake funerals for people who arent even dead just to gin up sympathy in the world press, then SAY SO

as it stands now ill anyone can really say is your opposed to israel. we dont even know if you are opposed to israel's perceived over-reaction to "minor inconveniences" like random rocket attacks and suicide bombs, or if you are opposed to israels existence as a nation.

if you cant take a position, nobody will take you seriously.

Israel is losing the battle for hearts and minds. They know the world is rapidly learning the truth about Israel. The zionists state of Israel is illegitimate, and so are the Israelis. Nothing can legitimize them or validate their existence or their behavior. The truth will stop zionist Israel. The real existential threat to zionist Israel is truth. Israel is the greatest threat to peace in the world. Keep sharing the truth, and don't feed the trolls.

 

[Doer]

Israel is losing the battle for hearts and minds. They know the world is rapidly learning the truth about Israel. The zionists state of Israel is illegitimate, and so are the Israelis. Nothing can legitimize them or validate their existence or their behavior. The truth will stop zionist Israel. The real existential threat to zionist Israel is truth. Israel is the greatest threat to peace in the world. Keep sharing the truth, and don't feed the trolls.

All I can say, is the Subjects and those Subject minds wish this were so. Are attempting to make it so. To fulfill their hate propaganda. Stupid.

Show me any reality on this and not some poll of Arab youts.

Not legitimate? That is not even a legitimate thought, parrot.

It is a UN Nation, self ruled, born of the gun and keeps the gun. That is why you hate it.

STUPID.

 

[socalcoolmx]

All I can say, is the Subjects and those Subject minds wish this were so. Are attempting to make it so. To fulfill their hate propaganda. Stupid.

Show me any reality on this and not some poll of Arab youts.

Not legitimate? That is not even a legitimate thought, parrot.

It is a UN Nation, self ruled, born of the gun and keeps the gun. That is why you hate it.

STUPID.

Stupid is thinking you could force a white european jewish colony in the middle of the Arab world without causing perpetual war and eventually even ww3
Now that really is stupid

Israel is the greatest threat to peace in the world

 

[abandonconflict]

All I can say, is the Subjects and those Subject minds wish this were so. Are attempting to make it so. To fulfill their hate propaganda. Stupid.

Show me any reality on this and not some poll of Arab youts.

Not legitimate? That is not even a legitimate thought, parrot.

It is a UN Nation, self ruled, born of the gun and keeps the gun. That is why you hate it.

STUPID.

So you go around saying retarded crap, refrain from replying to my posts directed at you and then tell people I'm a troll. Calling Israel a UN nation is ridiculous, I think the US is the only country who has been less compliant than Israel with the UN.

Then you say, "Not legitimate? That is not even a legitimate thought, parrot." Right after that, you admit that Israel's only legitimacy is force.

You're the parrot with a subject mind. Go ahead and call me a troll and a tarbaby, clearly you can't form a coherent argument.

 

[Doer]

Stupid is thinking you could force a white european jewish colony in the middle of the Arab world without causing perpetual war and eventually even ww3
Now that really is stupid

Israel is the greatest threat to peace in the world

See in Politics Real, that could very well be, exactly what the victors of ww2, intended.

And as, I have told you, WW2 is not over, not by a long shot. Still Gestapo in Egypt.

Also, still Persian interference in Western Civilization (for the last 2600 orbits.) Check your clock. Long before these religions.

You are giving up too easy. It is a fantasy of peace. We can barely have pursuit of peace of mind, in the USA.

Of course the Allies forced this on the Arabs. Tough tittie, they supported the Nazi. The Nazi spread the neo-jew hate from Stalin. It is not a religious conflict.

So, don't say it as a bad thing.

You act like people would deny that. You don't have it yet. Real. I do. America, Fuck Yeah.

 

[abandonconflict]

See in Politics Real, that could very well be, exactly what the victors of ww2, intended.

And as, I have told you, WW2 is not over, not by a long shot. Still Gestapo in Egypt.

Also, still Persian interference in Western Civilization (for the last 2600 orbits.) Check your clock. Long before these religions.

You are giving up too easy. It is a fantasy of peace. We can barely have pursuit of peace of mind, in the USA.

Of course the Allies forced this on the Arabs. Tough tittie, they supported the Nazi. The Nazi spread the neo-jew hate from Stalin. It is not a religious conflict.

So, don't say it as a bad thing.

You act like people would deny that. You don't have it yet. Real. I do. America, Fuck Yeah.

Have you ever put on a pair of boots and carried a rifle in the middle east?

Huh tough guy?

http://www.goarmy.com/

America, fuck yeah.

You're just a troll.

 

[Doer]

Oh, and another thing. I don't have to boot in to see the forest for the trees. And the ones that signed up for the benefits and then were forced to see the elephant, show no honor in whining.

Live off the fat of the lamb and belch and fart all day. I really hope they don't choke on the hate.

Also, we must realize, although a fine writer, Eric Arthur Blair's quotes on capitalism simplt show his class bias, as a Subject of the Crown of England.

AFY

 

[abandonconflict]

Oh, and another thing. I don't have to boot in to see the forest for the trees. And the ones that signed up for the benefits and got the see the elephant show no honor in whining.

Live off the fat of the lamb and belch and fart all day. I really hope they don't choke on the hate.

Also, we must realize, although a fine writer, Eric Arthur Blair's quotes on capitalism simple show his class bias, as a Subject of the Crown of England.

You don't see the trees at all. Funny how you love to quote Orwell until it is demonstrated that you never read his works.

 

[echelon1k1]

All I can say, is the Subjects and those Subject minds wish this were so. Are attempting to make it so. To fulfill their hate propaganda. Stupid.

Show me any reality on this and not some poll of Arab youts.

Not legitimate? That is not even a legitimate thought, parrot.

It is a UN Nation, self ruled, born of the gun and keeps the gun. That is why you hate it.

STUPID.

yeah and people hate americans for their freedoms... moron...