Who Pays Income Taxes?

beenthere

New Member
Between you and the asshat called Buck that you wear, you take what anybody you don't like says and twist their words around to something completely different. You are liars and you're proud of the way you act. What does that say about you?

Despite that, I will answer your questions but not for your sake because any information I divulge will be taken and twisted into something else. You have no honor, no character... but for the sake of the readers who are not dirty, ignorant trolls, I reveal.
Cmon Mr. Neuton, consider the source!

This is coming from a guy who gets a $4 an hour raise and runs out and buys his and her Harleys while his neighbors had to complain to the city to force him to paint his house! Now wonder progressives like Chesus will never be successful and hate all who do.

Then there's Bucky, a lop who admits he is intentionally unemployed and pays zero income taxes, in other words he chooses NOT to contribute, yet ridicules the wealthy who do. When was the last time you actually witnessed UncleBuck in a debate, I don't believe I have!

Would a grown man who claims to be an intellect be limited to consistently posting cartoons and personal attacks?
 

Mr Neutron

Well-Known Member
if an employee doesn't sign a W4, he doesn't work. it's a voluntary decision.
A voluntary action does not include an "or else". If it's truly a voluntary action then there can be no penalty for non compliance. Just because Big Brother says it's voluntary does not mean that it is. Your attempts to redefine the language is a product of a tyranny, authoritarianism, statism and hegemony.
Some other common misconceptions:

Filing an income tax return is voluntary.
The US is a democracy.
Paper is money.
Unemployment is around 8%.
Inflation does not affect food or fuel.
Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.
The war is over.
The war on terrorism.
The war on drugs.
Mandatory health insurance=healthcare reform.
Too far in debt? You can borrow and spend your way out of it.
Taxing the rich or anybody will solve the debt problem.
Taking personal and private property is not only moral, it's legal.
There is a law that says American citizens must pay tax on wages.
The government is the be all, end all for all life's problems.
Giving millions of dollars to foreign countries will make them like us.
Interfering in a foreign nation's affairs is our duty and "blowback" is a myth.
The 9/11 Omission Report
USS Liberty
Gulf of Tonkin
Operation Northwoods
JFK assassination
Ron Brown
Vince Foster
Iran-Contra
Enron
Cuba

In short, Washington has a record of lies... why does anybody place any stock in anything they have to say. It is said "an ounce of skepticism is a good thing" I say we need a couple tons or it, now!
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
To begin with, I never told YOU anything. What I probably said was something like "If I get horny, I would rather rent a woman for an hour" (than get emotionally involved and permanently attached with someone). I get to "bang" as you put it, some pretty hot chicks and they leave afterwards and don't bother me (usually). Are you jealous?
What else are you to think? I really don't care. You might try reading comprehension classes, though. Then do some serious study on morality, scruples, honesty and character.

Oh yeah, and get off that high horse that you like to pontificate from, you're not fooling anyone.



Between you and the asshat called Buck that you wear, you take what anybody you don't like says and twist their words around to something completely different. You are liars and you're proud of the way you act. What does that say about you?

Despite that, I will answer your questions but not for your sake because any information I divulge will be taken and twisted into something else. You have no honor, no character... but for the sake of the readers who are not dirty, ignorant trolls, I reveal.

First of all, I am not complaining, as you love to keep harping, about how much I have to pay but rather the fact that all of us are being lied to and defrauded into paying taxes on wages and to reveal how unfair the system is. Even UB believes that each of us owns our own body... but if that is true, then why do we not own our labor?

Did the government implement withholding to make it more convenient for us or to trick us into compliance with their fraud? How many people would complain about their tax bill if everybody had to cut a check four times a year AND pay the FULL SS tax? Withholding is an insidious way of making people comply with a fraudulent system. A little bit every payday is much less noticeable than writing a BIG check every quarter. And making the employer pay half of the employees SS is a good way of discouraging self employment. They don't want anybody going independent and they do what they can to discourage it.

The questionable circumstances under which the 16th was supposedly passed. The Constitution says no direct taxation without apportionment. The Supreme Court has said the 16th infers no new power of taxation. Income was defined as profit from a capital venture, NOT wages. The abuses of power exercised by agents. The agents that have left the agency after discovering the truth and the persecution they endure to this day for revealing the truth. Just a FEW of the questions that remain unanswered.

You choose to remain blind to what is going on, fine, it's at your own risk. You might want to rethink your mightier than thou posture, however, it doesn't fit with your false/fake sense of compassion.



Gee, I didn't know individual states have their own poverty line, even if true it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. We are, I believe, talking about federal income tax and yes, for 2011 the poverty line for an individual was $10,890, my pension income was $10,946. $56 over the poverty line and still on the hook. Figure it out, it's not difficult. $10,946-$5800 (standard deduction)=$5146-$3700 (standard exemptions)=$1446 taxable income and the tax table says that is subject to $144 tax. You all shout "TAX THE RICH, TAX THE RICH" yet you ignore the inequality of the progressive tax system (4th plank in the communist manifesto, btw) and the burden on the poor.

I challenge anyone to live anywhere in the whole United States of America on $900/mn without assistance, let alone pay your federal tax bill. It might be possible if you own your home, if your property taxes aren't too much. But your not really living, you're just surviving. I chose to move to Mexico where my little pension will allow me to have some quality of life, rather than trying to scratch and claw my way through. I worked my whole life, am I not entitled to retire and enjoy what is left of my life? Or will you deny that, also? You also need to consider that my income is fixed, so inflation is pushing my purchasing power lower and lower every year, making it even more difficult.

Just one more tidbit. Take the $10,890/yr poverty level for a moment. Suppose someone only gets $800/mn? That's $1290 BELOW the poverty line. Can you live on that? Are you still liable to the Infernal Revenue Service? You bet you are.

Why does the IRS say that filing is voluntary when it clearly is not? Why does the government persecute those that try to educate and reveal the truth about the fraudulent actions that have been perpetrated on it's own citizens (subjects is more accurate) for the past century? Why is it they threaten anybody who publishes or distributes any information revealing the truth? After all, if you can look up the instructions for making a weapon of mass destruction, what harm can shining a little light on the tax system do? What are they hiding so jealously?



Your last line, where you lie about my tax liability is right from Harry Reid's playbook of "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit". You called me a liar... prove it or own it.

A little piss ant like you should educate yourself instead of spewing that mouth diarrhea that you're so fond of. You know not of what you speak and this has revealed your nescience. mmkay, punkin?
somebody pulled Mr Neutrons string and set his kung fu grip in motion!

damn homey! still got some piss and vinegar flowing through your veins. i cant even +rep that tirade i gotta spread the love around some first apparently.

whatever youre eating this morning pass me a bowl.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
A voluntary action does not include an "or else". If it's truly a voluntary action then there can be no penalty for non compliance. Just because Big Brother says it's voluntary does not mean that it is. Your attempts to redefine the language is a product of a tyranny, authoritarianism, statism and hegemony.
Some other common misconceptions:

Filing an income tax return is voluntary.
The US is a democracy.
Paper is money.
Unemployment is around 8%.
Inflation does not affect food or fuel.
Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.
The war is over.
The war on terrorism.
The war on drugs.
Mandatory health insurance=healthcare reform.
Too far in debt? You can borrow and spend your way out of it.
Taxing the rich or anybody will solve the debt problem.
Taking personal and private property is not only moral, it's legal.
There is a law that says American citizens must pay tax on wages.
The government is the be all, end all for all life's problems.
Giving millions of dollars to foreign countries will make them like us.
Interfering in a foreign nation's affairs is our duty and "blowback" is a myth.
The 9/11 Omission Report
USS Liberty
Gulf of Tonkin
Operation Northwoods
JFK assassination
Ron Brown
Vince Foster
Iran-Contra
Enron
Cuba

In short, Washington has a record of lies... why does anybody place any stock in anything they have to say. It is said "an ounce of skepticism is a good thing" I say we need a couple tons or it, now!

just one thing, iraq did have WMDs and weapons prohibited by the gulf 1 cease fire. they were found recorded and duly logged after the gulf2 invasion. this rant is not directed at you mr neutron, just the info, the rant is for the "Bush lied people died" and "Blood for Oil" crowd.

scud missiles: WMD (random heavy payload missile that smites schools hospitals and synagogues indiscriminately) saddam was prohibited from having them in the cease fire after gulf 2, he had dozens hidden around the country in junkyards, desert installations, in palaces etc.

Mustard Gas: a big pile of artillery shells was found (check your wikileaks) loaded with mustard and other blister agent gasses (thats ww1 tech shit designed to incapacitate and kill slowly, a weapon of terror)

Saran/Vx/other nerve agent Gas: yep, he had a lot. he used a shitload of it too, on the kurds and the iranians. and NO we did not sell it to him. thats a funny punchline but it's bullshit. the precursor components for most nerve agents are the same chemicals you use tro make fertilizers and pesticides, agricultural products saddam needed to get his country out of the iron age. since he was our ally in opposition to the iranians he was sold agricultural equipment, chemicals, and crops dusting sprayers. hes russian freinds helped him turn that shit into nerve gas for his political foes and his iranian enemies. i can make ww1 level nerve gas from shit under my kitchen sink, does this mean SC Johnson and Unilever sold me WMD's? he had a lot, he used a lot, and our troops found a lot more hidden around the country. (again, see your wikilieaks)

the bush administration concealed the finding of WMD's from the public for a simple reason, iraq was a freeforall shoot-em-up zone with foreign insurgents and jihadists rolling in and out through the syrian iranian and jordanian border at will. (apparently we arent allowed to secure borders at home OR abroad) revealing that saddam's weapons were on the loose would have caused tremendous unrest, and nervousness. you think the homeland security duct tape rules were a joke? they WERE seriously worried but if people heard, understood and laughed it was better than our economy grinding to a halt based on the fear of a saran gas attack here in the us. the warnings fell into the right ears, people were more on their guard despite the jokes, but the nation didnt grind to a halt, and international freetradeism continued it's glorious march towards utopia. if you think the government tells you lies for nefarious purposes why is it so hard for to believe they might tell you lies to keep you from panicking and wearing a gasmask to bed (which would kill more people than any nerve gas attack)
 

Mr Neutron

Well-Known Member
somebody pulled Mr Neutrons string and set his kung fu grip in motion!

damn homey! still got some piss and vinegar flowing through your veins. i cant even +rep that tirade i gotta spread the love around some first apparently.

whatever youre eating this morning pass me a bowl.
We may not agree on everything but if we find ourselves "in the shit", I'll have your back. (as well as some others, here)
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
We may not agree on everything but if we find ourselves "in the shit", I'll have your back. (as well as some others, here)
just remember when we do disagree, one of us (or possibly both) is worse than Hitler. and racist.

always racist.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Cmon Mr. Neuton, consider the source!

This is coming from a guy who gets a $4 an hour raise and runs out and buys his and her Harleys while his neighbors had to complain to the city to force him to paint his house! Now wonder progressives like Chesus will never be successful and hate all who do.

Then there's Bucky, a lop who admits he is intentionally unemployed and pays zero income taxes, in other words he chooses NOT to contribute, yet ridicules the wealthy who do. When was the last time you actually witnessed UncleBuck in a debate, I don't believe I have!

Would a grown man who claims to be an intellect be limited to consistently posting cartoons and personal attacks?
My republican lead city pays a guy 60k a year and bennies to drive around and point out ordinance violations
My neighbors never complained about shit
You actually needed a binocular to see that the paint was peeling at the top near the roof

Now lets talk about taxes. I make more in a week than neutron makes in a month, I actually pay taxes

Neutron and you Just whine
Now how you going to tell your parents you dont go to class and sit in your dorm room all day failing?
 

Mr Neutron

Well-Known Member
My republican lead city pays a guy 60k a year and bennies to drive around and point out ordinance violations
My neighbors never complained about shit
You actually needed a binocular to see that the paint was peeling at the top near the roof
Anecdotal. Why are you whining?

Now lets talk about taxes. I make more in a week than neutron makes in a month, I actually pay taxes
Yeah, let's talk about taxes. You said that because of my low income and I lived in Mexico, I had no income tax liability. I bitch slapped you pretty hard on that one.
So all that "the rich should pay more because they can" bullshit is for somebody else? You brag about making more than a retiree, congatufuckinglations. I thought you progressive socialist dickheads cared about the poor? No? My mistake. Go back to making fun of what people look like, that's very mature.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Anecdotal. Why are you whining?



Yeah, let's talk about taxes. You said that because of my low income and I lived in Mexico, I had no income tax liability. I bitch slapped you pretty hard on that one.
So all that "the rich should pay more because they can" bullshit is for somebody else? You brag about making more than a retiree, congatufuckinglations. I thought you progressive socialist dickheads cared about the poor? No? My mistake. Go back to making fun of what people look like, that's very mature.
[video=youtube;0xRrUVVKigk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xRrUVVKigk[/video]
 

beenthere

New Member
My republican lead city pays a guy 60k a year and bennies to drive around and point out ordinance violations
My neighbors never complained about shit
You actually needed a binocular to see that the paint was peeling at the top near the roof

Now lets talk about taxes. I make more in a week than neutron makes in a month, I actually pay taxes

Neutron and you Just whine
Now how you going to tell your parents you dont go to class and sit in your dorm room all day failing?
Dude, quit trying to spin the fact you got all happy as shit with that $4 an hour raise you received, hell you were going out the same week to buy his and her Harleys. You constantly talk shit and are jealous of the people who instead of blowing money on motorcycles, they invest it and make that money grow. You don't see the irony here? LOL
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
Dude, quit trying to spin the fact you got all happy as shit with that $4 an hour raise you received, hell you were going out the same week to buy his and her Harleys. You constantly talk shit and are jealous of the people who instead of blowing money on motorcycles, they invest it and make that money grow. You don't see the irony here? LOL
Maybe he is looking on the bright side financially... Motorcycle riders have a shorter life span on average due to becoming roadkill... That might be early retirement for him!
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Dude, quit trying to spin the fact you got all happy as shit with that $4 an hour raise you received, hell you were going out the same week to buy his and her Harleys. You constantly talk shit and are jealous of the people who instead of blowing money on motorcycles, they invest it and make that money grow. You don't see the irony here? LOL
My wife got her bike
I get mine next june

And dont worry about me
You should get off the internet and do your homework
It's a school night you know


Here's Ann Romney discussing their student days:
They were not easy years… Neither one of us had a job, because Mitt had enough of an investment from stock that we could sell off a little at a time.
The stock came from Mitt’s father. ...
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
how can they steal your money if you voluntarily sign the W4 and give them consent to take your money?

also, false dichotomy. there are many, many other options other than "go to hell".
Please list them, with especial emphasis on the choices that lead to being employed. cn
 

beenthere

New Member
My wife got her bike
I get mine next june

And dont worry about me
You should get off the internet and do your homework
It's a school night you know


Here's Ann Romney discussing their student days:
They were not easy years… Neither one of us had a job, because Mitt had enough of an investment from stock that we could sell off a little at a time.
The stock came from Mitt’s father. ...
So let me ask you, should people less fortunate than you who do not work, have the right to tell you that you make too much money and instead of buying those Harleys you could pay more income taxes to help support them?

Are you the judge that sets the income cap on what is too much?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
underwater male prostitution jumps to the top of the list.
Seriously, UB. You said "many, many options". I'd like to see you show me. We've argued this one before, and iirc your claim of complete voluntarity was sophistry, since you didn't falsify what i see: a binary option between signing the W-4 and not becoming employed. I'm hoping that these "many, many options" are real and not just word marshmallows. Please don't pull a beenthere. cn
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Seriously, UB. You said "many, many options". I'd like to see you show me. We've argued this one before, and iirc your claim of complete voluntarity was sophistry, since you didn't falsify what i see: a binary option between signing the W-4 and not becoming employed. I'm hoping that these "many, many options" are real and not just word marshmallows. Please don't pull a beenthere. cn
there's plenty of ways for people to subsist and get by without working one of them fancy W4 signing jobs.

there's always absconding to the woods.

working under the table.

living off the land, being self sufficient.

the thug life.

and, as always, there is always underwatewr male prostitution.
 
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