UncleBuck
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correct, you'd need one or two other things from under that umbrella before you could say for sure. ya know, like saying gays are just gay because they had a shitty childhood, another kaendar gem.
Christians need to stop attacking gays!!
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
The contention if I read it right is, however, that homosexuality as a category is a disorder. That is different enough to merit a stricter standard, since now we are (imo!) treading on thin ice over the deep, cold water of bigotry.
kpmarine
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I do not think it is a disorder, if that's what you thought. I honestly don't see how someone could view it as anything other than a perfectly reasonable sexual preference.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I wasn't laying that at your feet. That was Kaendar's position as I understood it. cn
kpmarine
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Ah, yes. That's the vibe I got too. It's kind of a dangerous proposition to make. I've never met a gay couple and thought "Those are some mentally distressed individuals." The only reason I could imagine wanting to take that position, is to be able to dismiss their equal rights.
Padawanbater2
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for reference;
crazy;
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gay;
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Padawanbater2
Well-Known Member
So is accusing someone of having a mental disorder when they don't have one.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Having a disorder however means having something wrong. It follows inevitably that classifying homosexuality as a disorder is a subtle way of saying it is wrong. You already know that I do not share that opinion. cn
Kaendar
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I have ADD, thats genetic of course, and theres nothing wrong with that. It doesnt hinder my ability to function normally. Im not saying homosexuality is a mental disability or that people that are gay have any less value of people, im just saying maybe there is a scientific reason why they dont get with the opposite sex. I want all of you to leave the gay part out and think about what im saying. Can certain factors, stimuli and events during childhood effect ones actions as an adult??
Carne Seca
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Amazing how things actually look when taken in cultural context and with a correct translation:
Some English translations of this passage condemn both gay and lesbian sexual relationships. This is a mistranslation. It refers only to male-male sexual behavior.
This passage does not refer to gay sex generally, but only to a specific form of homosexual prostitution in Pagan temples. Much of Leviticus deals with the Holiness Code which outlined ways in which the ancient Hebrews were to be set apart to God. Some fertility worship practices found in early Pagan cultures were specifically prohibited; ritual same-sex behavior in Pagan temples was one such practice.
Many would regard "abomination," "enormous sin", etc. as particularly poor translations of the original Hebrew word which really means "ritually unclean" within an ancient Israelite era. The Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (circa 3rd century BCE) translated "to'ebah " into Greek as "bdelygma," which meant ritual impurity. If the writer(s) of Leviticus had wished to refer to a moral violation, a sin, he would have used the Hebrew word "zimah."
This verse says nothing about consensual same-sex activity today. It only condemns same-sex religious prostitution in Pagan temples.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh5.htm
Hepheastus420
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dis·or·der
noun
- a disturbance in physical or mental health or functions; malady or dysfunction: a mild stomach disorder.
Being gay isn't a disturbance. It's not wrong at all. It's not a disorder. Maybe there's a reason gay people are gay, but it's definitely not a disorder.
Padawanbater2
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Of course, environmental conditions have a big role in shaping an individual, but you must acknowledge, sexual orientation, while some individuals experiment with their sexuality in order to fully understand it, is a predominantly genetic, unconscious process, thereby elevating it of any conscious moral objections some individuals have.
Not to mention, even if it was a conscious choice, why would it be wrong?
Kaendar
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You really need to think before you post shit sometimes.
Kaendar
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Well the question here isnt really whether its right or wrong, thats up to the individual. The question is how did they get that way.
Padawanbater2
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'Nature' would be my immediate response. They just 'are'. No different from you or me, and shouldn't be treated any different than you or me.
I don't understand why there is any objection to homosexual marriage and I don't understand why if the objection isn't rational, it should be given equal consideration among rational arguments.
Hepheastus420
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Take your own advice...
AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS!!!
jk (kinda).. What about my post is wrong?
Kaendar
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I mean to be honest, nobody treats it any worse than drugs, prostitution, teen pregnancy, alcohol abuse, cigarette smoking, etc. There are just some things that people think are wrong. You may not think that but for everyone like you there is 100 that disagree. Its a fucked up world. One very rational argument against gay marriage I can think of is that it creates a standard for equal love. If marriage between a man and a woman is equal, why isnt it legal for 2 men. If gay marriage is made legal, well than the same train of thought will start popping up from every wierd corner of every basement in America. Eventually people are gonna start saying things like why cant a 14 year old marry a 29 year old? Its love and all love is equal. Eventually its gonna be at the supreme court because it wont be fair to everyone else who has alternative versions of love. We can stick to what we have now, or open up Pandoras Box.
UncleBuck
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you really need to lay off the crack.
UncleBuck
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because marriage is between consenting adult human beings.