Chronic Pain

Timmahh

Timmahh

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ahahahha your a good guy bob, but such a fool sir. I dont have a cert for knee/ankle pain. I was merely presenting a very valid example how i could go get 180 vics a month, every month, and it wouldnt be questioned.

I dont DO Drugs, so i dont do phramcopias flavor of the day. I utilize cannabis for my intense pain, as well as exercise, decent eating and good, honest clean living and good will toward my fellow man that comes from my moral center to live by. And SO what if someone wants to get a BUZZ, and escape the daily grind? You prefer they drink alcohol, cuz its more recreationally accepted? That is a piss poor pulpit to preach from.

well i guess i DO use 2 Drugs. One i want to leverage out with more cannbis use. Tobacco and Nicotine need to go. The other drug i utilize alot, and would be considered addicted to is coffee/caffeine as i drink 2 12 cup pots of it a day. with cream and a little sugar.
 
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bob harris

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Timmahh said:
an old er visit and over 10 yrs of documented Chiro visits that were lost in a fire... thank you very much. only because the records i had 30 yrs ago are lost and cant be found/recovered.

and if you must know, i just had to pay 320.00 for a knew full set of xrays from my chiropractors office, and a 50.00 off visit for each week I go get an adjustment. my pain is cronic, and alot of the time by the minute...


with that said, im taking my old broken up stoner ass that is just using my fake pain to get high and going outside to finish digging in the 4 ft hand dug hole im putting in, so i can pour footings for a new foundation for a grow area im building on the edge of my yard.... before i go and cut the lawn, i ll go behind the garage, and fire it up.


yup, me and my fake pain are just making you a criminal bob.
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Wow..you just made my point for me, and showed yourslf to be an idiot at the same time.

You DO have new xrays...good boy..and now, even though your chiro can't prescribe, you can take the chiro's notes, and the xray's to a doctor that will certify...and have done exactly what I proposed. Was that so hard? Thank you for pointing out how easy it was to verify a "condition".

Then..you must be an idiot to 1: Say that your pain is so minimal you can dig trenches..And 2: you tell us those trenches are for a "foundation" for your grow room. So, to justify your intelligence, you tell the world that you are building a permanent structure,
which anyone must assume, will be pretty big..and fairly expensive..even doing it yourself.

So...you can't afford treatment, but you can build and out fit a grow room. I'd conclude, that anyone building a permanent foundation grow room..separate from there main home, MUST be looking to profit from the fruits of that endeavor. Pretty caring guy you are...

What's that cost..I mean doing the work yourself...still need cement, walls door, water, electric..and a few grand worth of equipment (just sayin..were ya thinkin about a separate grow room for one 400?)

Dude..what is up with you? You just told us that your not an accomplished grower..yet your setting up a pretty substantial grow house, that would leave one to believe, that you plan on becoming a cg...so that you can "help" people with your self confessed..lack of growing skills. Dam, you are compassionate.

You're going to win any debate, because your opponent's brain is going to bleed,and they will die, trying to follow your logic..
 
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lampworker

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I guess the difference to me is that the doctor and the pharmacy and big pharma are all trying to make a profit from my care. Their motivation is at the least influenced by the money they make off repeat visits and extended care and perscribing another med to counter the side effects of the other ten meds you are on. They are experimenting on you with chemicals that a company produces with the cheapest methods they could find and with the least amount of testing they could get by with. THEY are all more worried about the bottom line than your health. The way insured vs. uninsured people in any doctor's office or hospital are treated shows this pretty clearly to me. Only people trying to get paid off of me using MJ is the grow supply. I dont really purchase any meds anymore. I trade with other patients for variety. I talk with them and folks on forrums like these to find out how it works for me. We dont get paid for our opinions here. Probably the biggest reason of all is the fact that our bodies have receptors for cannabis compounds, not man made chemicals. There aren't any ads on tv to join the class action lawsuit against mother nature for the horrible side effects from MJ and the ones for Big Pharma's brainchildren keep multiplying. Conventional medicine scares the shit out of me for the most part and I can not bring myself to trust a pusher in a lab coat any more than a pusher in an alley. Neither one really gives a shit about you as long as you are well enough to come get more of their product next week.
 
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bob harris

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lampworker said:
I guess the difference to me is that the doctor and the pharmacy and big pharma are all trying to make a profit from my care. Their motivation is at the least influenced by the money they make off repeat visits and extended care and perscribing another med to counter the side effects of the other ten meds you are on. They are experimenting on you with chemicals that a company produces with the cheapest methods they could find and with the least amount of testing they could get by with. THEY are all more worried about the bottom line than your health. The way insured vs. uninsured people in any doctor's office or hospital are treated shows this pretty clearly to me. Only people trying to get paid off of me using MJ is the grow supply. I dont really purchase any meds anymore. I trade with other patients for variety. I talk with them and folks on forrums like these to find out how it works for me. We dont get paid for our opinions here. Probably the biggest reason of all is the fact that our bodies have receptors for cannabis compounds, not man made chemicals. There aren't any ads on tv to join the class action lawsuit against mother nature for the horrible side effects from MJ and the ones for Big Pharma's brainchildren keep multiplying. Conventional medicine scares the shit out of me for the most part and I can not bring myself to trust a pusher in a lab coat any more than a pusher in an alley. Neither one really gives a shit about you as long as you are well enough to come get more of their product next week.
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I can see that viewpoint..I guess in a way it is better to have the people profiteering off you at least need the money.
 
Timmahh

Timmahh

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i got new xrays, only so i would have them SHOULD i get a visit from billybong and the prosecution crew. they had NOTHING to do with getting my original Cert, or my recent recert. I did it for my future need, which i should never need because im a law abiding citizen.

Point is bob. I have been dealing with this my whole life. and i WOULD have a 2 inch thick folder, If i could get ANY of my old medical records that support it, but I cant, and all I had was a note from a chiropractor stating my term of care, diagnosis, prognosis and my end of treatment at their office. I stopped care because i lost insurance, and couldnt afford it. Now had i not had ins when i went to the er in 96, i wouldnt have current records, nor would i have records from 80 for the original diagnoses.

But because you think im a stoner wanting to get high, I should suffer because i dont have a one inch thick medical records, is idiotic on any level. Did the Dr go to school to be a Dr, and did the state give him a license to practice medicine in the State of Mi? if yes, then that dr can recommend cannabis would be a viable medicine for that patient, simply by talking to that patient and perhaps even doing a physical exam. that is why They are the Dr, and We are the Pt, and the State sets up rules for both to follow.

now for your attack on my intelligence and physical ability.

Who the fuck do you think you are? I do not use my pain level that is a constant 3 to a 5, which spikes to a 10 level, then decends back to a 3 to 5 level every day, all day, as an excuse to limit my ability to Work, Provide for my family, Do for myself, Stop me from living my life. So i should just set back and whine about everyone else like you are doing about my ability to treat my pain, and yet have the ability to still live a fairly full life? Im not on disability, and receive no states assistance of any kind. So who in the hell are you to think you have the right to tell me how to deal with my pain, in my life.

Is that what your saying< Bucause I STILL Can Work and move and do it, yet do it with moderate to severe pain while doing so, then I should just fucking shrivel up into the fetal position and cry woes me, my poor useless self, good thing i have guys like Bob, Bill Schuette and the State of Michigan to tell me i have to be a pilled up useless part of society? Fuck you Bob. How dare you attest your need and ability to live your life how you see fit is more deserving than anyone elses.

you may be right Bob, i may be an idiot, but id rather be a fucking moron that a hypocritical biggot.
 
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bob harris

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Timmahh said:
i got new xrays, only so i would have them SHOULD i get a visit from billybong and the prosecution crew. they had NOTHING to do with getting my original Cert, or my recent recert. I did it for my future need, which i should never need because im a law abiding citizen.

Point is bob. I have been dealing with this my whole life. and i WOULD have a 2 inch thick folder, If i could get ANY of my old medical records that support it, but I cant, and all I had was a note from a chiropractor stateming my term of care, diagnosis, prognosis and my end of treatment at their office. I stopped care because i lost insurance, and couldnt afford it. Now had i not had ins when i went to the er in 96, i wouldnt have current records, nor would i have records from 80 for the original diagnoses.

But because you think im a stoner wanting to get high, I should suffer because i dont have a one inch thick medical records, is idiotic on any level. Did the Dr go to school to be a Dr, and did the state give him a license to practice medicine in the State of Mi? if yes, then that dr can recommend cannabis would be a viable medicine for that patient, simply by talking to that patient and perhaps even doing a physical exam. that is why They are the Dr, and We are the Pt, and the State sets up rules for both to follow.
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Ok...brain is starting to swell...must stop replying to your posts...no comprehension skills on other side...abort...abort...abort
 
Cory and trevor

Cory and trevor

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bob harris said:
You are arguing legalization, or recreational use..not medical. You seem to have a legitimate source of chronic pain..that's fine..but those that don't are the ones causing the law to be challenged...and trust me, it's not just a "couple" of people using the law to "legalize" their recreational use..
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oh bob.....
 
Timmahh

Timmahh

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like i stated earlier Bob, even recreational users, get medical benefits from cannabis. That isnt my opinion its fact.


There was a recent study done on infant death rates. Ready for this bob, wouldnt want to shake your foundation for medicinal beliefs.

but the study showed there was an 18+% death rate among children born with cocain in their system (that included crack cocian), there was a 22% death rate (think it was 22, may of been a bit higher) among those infants born with traces of heroin in their system, and 19% death rate for those born with any standard prescription medication in their system at the time of birth.


the Group of infants tested that had ZERO detected substances of ANY KIND had a 15.7% death rate.








































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had a death rate of 8.6% SHHHHH Dont want the evil drug cannabis to go making criminals out of pregnant mothers now would we. Afterall, their babies may have a better survival rate, and an unfair advantage through life not having as much need for pharmacopy until they die a ripe old age.
 
longroot

longroot

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Bob. All the names you are calling people are exactly what I think of you when I read your posts. You are an instigator and I'm sure alot of people here don't really like you. Why don't you go fuck yourself with your hypocritical big ass nose that you like to stick in everyone's business. Just go away douche bag. Troll another site.
 
longroot

longroot

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My last post may have been a little harsh. I'm sorry I just cant seem to find a strain that works for my turrets.:joint:
 
Beagle

Beagle

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I'm going to have chronic headaches from staring at some of these Giant seemingly endless paragraphs...JK

I know some people that lied to get their cards. I understand that they don't want to have a permanent criminal record for a victimless crime, and I also believe that the medical marihuana program shouldn't be abused in such a way.

I am not a patient, or have a qualifying condition(that I know of) to be a patient. So I sought out someone who did and became their caregiver. My patient was in an automobile accident and had spinal fusion on her back. She has chronic pain with documentation to prove it.

Most marijuana arrests have to do with possession, of which I'm protected as a caregiver. Just about everyone knows somebody with a legitimate medical condition... See where I'm going with this?
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Bob, it's pretty tough to sit behind a keyboard and play judge and jury on who's pain is real, and who's isn't.

Marijuana isn't going to cure your disease. It isn't going to save your life. It's going to improve your *quality* of life. It may help you eat. It may help you sleep. It may offer some pain relief. But tell me why your pain relief, or your appetite, or your rest is more important than mine?

I think a hypothetical someone who has a "legitimate condition" such as MS, that gets busted growing 250 plants is more damming to the cause than a responsible patient/caregiver that happens to list chronic pain as the condition.
 
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bob harris

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st0wandgrow said:
Bob, it's pretty tough to sit behind a keyboard and play judge and jury on who's pain is real, and who's isn't.

Marijuana isn't going to cure your disease. It isn't going to save your life. It's going to improve your *quality* of life. It may help you eat. It may help you sleep. It may offer some pain relief. But tell me why your pain relief, or your appetite, or your rest is more important than mine?

I think a hypothetical someone who has a "legitimate condition" such as MS, that gets busted growing 250 plants is more damming to the cause than a responsible patient/caregiver that happens to list chronic pain as the condition.
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I don't disagree with that....condition or no condition, someone that far out of line hurts everyone.
 
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painkillerman

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who is better to judge their own pain than the person who lives it iam 18 year veteran chronic pain due to low back mechanics surguy was an option but 50% off 30% off ur pain (I KNOW I DIDNT GET IT EITHIER) it was my doctor who talked me out off this wasnt worth gamble then pointed on my passion and medicine that changed my LIFE
but i agree there is owns out there that scam but u can get small limit card for severe P.M.S but this is legit use when needed
i guess your in good old red white n blue ,,,,ya its buisness school over there for sure
 
gladstoned

gladstoned

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Bad cannabis users are not going to make us look bad and get our rights taken away from us. That is foolishness. The government and pharmaceutical companies are losing the drug war and they are doing anything and everything to stop it. If we all behave and play nice they will still try to fuck us. I am a medical patient. I have spinal stenosis among many other problems, but honestly I think you have it 100% wrong. The recreational user started this fight and this war, how dare you fight against them now that you are medically cleared! The medical patients jumped on board with the recreational user, don't even try to change it around. I went to the doctor so that they can tell the state that I need to get high, I didn't need them mother fuckers to tell me it is ok. That is between the doctor and the state, they are the ones with the fucking problems. They each want a couple hundred to leave me the fuck alone, fine, here. If every single Michigan resident went to the doctors and said they all needed medical marijuana for chronic pain - I would light a fatty and laugh my ass off.
 
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