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Fevs

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a mongo frog said:
If it wasn't for him, most wouldn't even be working with led. Don't think he was directing to you. Mainly me.
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Ok, Well if I had a warehouse, I'd use gavita 1000w de's, providing I wouldn't need air con. But not in my home.

Even if that was directed at you, my reply is still justified. If somebody speaks to somebody like shit for no reason, they deserve it in return!
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Greengenes707 said:
Here you guys go again...spouting off about possibilities and theory(I'm talking to both side of this internet vagina measuring contest).
Reality is a crazy place where shit actually happens...you guys should check it out for yourself one day and grow some weed. Then when you come into a discussion with a big mouthful of you opinions...maybe you can back them up.
DE's system vs PLC system...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOD4MaIhEbx/?taken-by=miami.mango
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According to that , 2500w of PLC is slightly lower yielding than 3k of DE, and also much more expensive......not sure what you are trying to prove with that, but it looks like you proved that DE lights are the best for the price.

There's basically no reason to use LEDs if you need even wattage to compete.....it's just not worth the initial investment which is MUCH more than any DE setup would be.

Also that guy is not using the best DE lights, he's using them in enclosed air cooled reflectors and they aren't gavitas , they also are not using top end bulbs and still yielded more than the LED side with 85% of the wattage.

My bet is that guy is using a galaxy grow amp ballast to run those DE's which works but is not optimal, if he had a full gavita setup the yield would even be more.

The grower also said he was extremely disappointed with his run in this test, and the test results came back very low for cannabinoids.
 
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Greengenes707

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Fevs said:
Fuck you, you fucking cum stain!

Was just making the point that how much electricity somebody uses to grow the weed, is more than the light itself. Also making the point of using one 1000w against the 4 x750w of cobs to make it plain and simple.

I'm growing some weed already you prick!
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Someone is a little insecure aren't they??

The fact that you can't read the post and only respond with unfounded emotion rather than facts and reason. As well as your clear need for attention assuming that the post was directed specifically and solely at you. Though again your response is pure emotional rather than reality and experience based.

Feel free to share some results from any lighting so there are more data points to compare with.


Yodaweed said:
According to that , 2500w of PLC is slightly lower yielding than 3k of DE, and also much more expensive......not sure what you are trying to prove with that, but it looks like you proved that DE lights are the best for the price.

There's basically no reason to use LEDs if you need even wattage to compete.....it's just not worth the initial investment which is MUCH more than any DE setup would be.
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You can make all the judgments and personal decisions you want. I didn't say anything other than here are results.
And as far as vendable(no larf), the PLC side yields ~3/4(.7416)LB's more.
Cost is coming down. PLC has the a higher efficacy single big panel for 1/2 the cost of current lights. Results have to come first...which they are and have been here. Price is the next target, but is already, even at the current prices, cost beneficial to 90% of the facilities I have worked with.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Greengenes707 said:
Someone is a little insecure aren't they??

The fact that you can't read the post and only respond with unfounded emotion rather than facts and reason. As well as your clear need for attention assuming that the post was directed specifically and solely at you. Though again your response is pure emotional rather than reality and experience based.


You can make all the judgments and personal decisions you want. I didn't say anything other than here are results.
And as far as vendable(no larf), the PLC side yields ~3/4(.7416)LB's more.
Cost is coming down. PLC has the a higher efficacy single big panel for 1/2 the cost of current lights. Results have to come first...which they are and have been here. Price is the next target, but is already, even at the current prices, cost beneficial to 90% of the facilities I have worked with.
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The ROI is too high , the cost per photon is too high, it's just not gonna be making a dent in the commerical growing world with LEDs being such a small upgrade, i want them to be good, but they just aren't there yet, i am happy you are doing something as i don't want to see anyone fail and i do wish you the best but i personally think LEDs are still not there yet.

Also one thing that really bothers me about LEDs that nobody has ever mentioned is that in a large setup (10k+ watts) they have no soft start feature, so they gonna have a super hard jolt to startup , which can cause serious problems and blow transformers. Even facilities with soft start features have blown transformers, i can't imagine if they were fully outfitted with LEDs.

And around here if you blow a transformer you pay for it, i know one spot that had to pay 30k to replace a transformer and they run soft start ballasts.
 
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Greengenes707

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Yodaweed said:
The ROI is too high , the cost per photon is too high, it's just not gonna be making a dent in the commerical growing world with LEDs being such a small upgrade, i want them to be good, but they just aren't there yet, i am happy you are doing something as i don't want to see anyone fail and i do wish you the best but i personally think LEDs are still not there yet.

Also one thing that really bothers me about LEDs that nobody has ever mentioned is that in a large setup (10k+ watts) they have no soft start feature, so they gonna have a super hard jolt to startup , which can cause serious problems and blow transformers. Even facilities with soft start features have blown transformers, i can't imagine if they were fully outfitted with LEDs.
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This is where my reality statement comes in man. It's not my opinion if they are more cost effective than other systems, DE included. But the reality is that for 90% of the facilities I work with, it is. Their numbers and words, not mine. These are commercial operations.

For a personal/residential grower in CA, the energy savings alone is $800 per year. At a point is dropped to ~$400 when scaled up to 10Kw+
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Greengenes707 said:
This is where my reality statement comes in man. It's not my opinion if they are more cost effective than other systems, DE included. But the reality is that for 90% of the facilities I work with, it is. Their numbers and words, not mine. These are commercial operations.

For a personal/residential grower in CA, the energy savings alone is $800 per year. At a point is dropped to ~$400 when scaled up to 10Kw+
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I think you guys got a lot higher prices for electric than we do in colorado too, but if it works for your customers who am i to say otherwise, good luck and happy toking.

One last question, how do these facilities handle the initial surge of power that LEDs have? I have personally flipped my circuit breaker using LEDs and never once did it using soft start HID lights .
 
genuity

genuity

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Miami man
Greengenes707 said:
Here you guys go again...spouting off about possibilities and theory(I'm talking to both side of this internet vagina measuring contest).
Reality is a crazy place where shit actually happens...you guys should check it out for yourself one day and grow some weed. Then when you come into a discussion with a big mouthful of you opinions...maybe you can back them up.
DE's system vs PLC system...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOD4MaIhEbx/?taken-by=miami.mango
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He use plc as side lights now...with de on top..do you know why?
 
Abiqua

Abiqua

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Yodaweed said:
I think you guys got a lot higher prices for electric than we do in colorado too, but if it works for your customers who am i to say otherwise, good luck and happy toking.

One last question, how do these facilities handle the initial surge of power that LEDs have? I have personally flipped my circuit breaker using LEDs and never once did it using soft start HID lights .
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you use a tiny resistor basically....surge is greatest on the quarter wave after the trough. So technically it never happens 75% to begin with......non issue for the electrical side....:peace:
 
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chakup

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Holy wow.
My $0.02- both. I'm still learning so went with a timber prefab for now. My goal is a fixture with both cobs, strips, and some monos. Best of all world's. Strips seem to be the current hot way to go and if I was more schooled on diy would have gone that route. But long term I think a blend with some far red monos for flower is still my goal.
 
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