Should food be a right?

[NLXSK1]

What's going down in Venezuela has nothing to do with food assistance. Or socialism. Its all about authoritarian mis-rule and sanctions placed on Venezuela because their dictator won't do Washington's bidding.

Despite the fact that socialism has failed every time it has been tried, you want to blame America for it's failure in another country.

Yet with exactly the same breath you want to tell us how great it would be for us...

Something stinks!!

 

[NLXSK1]

I feel the same about the social Healthcare and college. I would love to be able to have it work, but I feel it's just pipe dreams and not possible with our current budget and debt.

I dont believe that the government should be involved in healthcare or college education. It is one of the reasons that both of these things cost so much.

 

[Fogdog]

I feel the same about the social Healthcare and college. I would love to be able to have it work, but I feel it's just pipe dreams and not possible with our current budget and debt.

It works in other countries, why do you think it can't work here?

 

[Fogdog]

Despite the fact that socialism has failed every time it has been tried, you want to blame America for it's failure in another country.

Yet with exactly the same breath you want to tell us how great it would be for us...

Something stinks!!

You confuse dictatorships and authoritarian rule with socialism. Social democracy works just fine in many countries that are doing better economically and socially than the US. Denmark, for instance, has completely free college tuition, housing and a stipend for its college students. Also, $20 minimum wage, heathcare for everybody. By the way, a $20 minimum wage isn't a hardship at all for those industries relying on a low wage work force. With a better educated work force, they are doing better than us, lower debt, faster growth, happier people. So, yeah, it would be great for us.

 

[NLXSK1]

You confuse dictatorships and authoritarian rule with socialism. Social democracy works just fine in many countries that are doing better economically and socially than the US. Denmark, for instance, has completely free college tuition, housing and a stipend for its college students. Also, $20 minimum wage, heathcare for everybody. By the way, a $20 minimum wage isn't a hardship at all for those industries relying on a low wage work force. With a better educated work force, they are doing better than us, lower debt, faster growth, happier people. So, yeah, it would be great for us.

You get assigned housing and a job if you dont have one. You have to do whatever they tell you to do for your free housing. Doesnt sound like much freedom to me. You get a cage and food for working for the state. Why not just go to prison? Same deal there...

 

[AlphaPhase]

It works in other countries, why do you think it can't work here?

I think it would be too much initially to start the process which would tank our economy. Believe me, if it was possible, and didn't hurt the economy or citizens at all, and it was implemented smoothly with out many problems, I'd say give it a try.. But our economy is very fragile right now, our debt is crazy, I feel bad for the next president that has to take the stand (the only lucky president to take the stand in recent years which had little issues was g. W after Clinton, Clinton did very well and cleaned things up nicely imo.)..

Another issue is the cost of living in Denmark. It's insane, so citizens don't have very much disposable income. They get paid time off and all sorts of good things like vacation, maternity leave etc.. But they have no money to do anything. Well most don't, at least that's the impression I get from talking to some people. They do have awesome social programs which make their lives a little easier but at a cost of having less opportunity to "move on up' in the tax brackets. Just my opinion, I could be wrong, Ive only talked with a handful of people from Denmark.

Here's something to look at. Denmark vs US cost of living

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Denmark/United-States/Cost-of-living

 

[UncleBuck]

I didn't mention race.

yeah, the welfare queen charge is totally not racially motivated or anything.

don't bother brushing up on history, or educating yourself on all the very ways you have been duped like the retard you are.

just keep collecting your welfare checks and telling yourself that you deserve it. they do not though.

 

[UncleBuck]

Agreed. What I do think would help is better screening of benefit recipients. Not necessarily drug tests

so you can afford drugs, but you want me to send you a welfare check anyway?

 

[UncleBuck]

Also, I would have to vote no on the question of this thread.. If food becomes a right, why stop there.. Gas, utilities, candy, furniture, cable.. Catch my drift?

yeah, then 28 year old brokedicks would be sitting around, getting high on drugs, playing on the internet, and cashing welfare checks too.

that would be a nightmare.

 

[UncleBuck]

They do have awesome social programs which make their lives a little easier but at a cost of having less opportunity to "move on up' in the tax brackets. Just my opinion, I could be wrong

you are wrong. social mobilityis at its worst right here in the united states. mainly thanks to the south, but still.

you are an idiot, and you are now allied with ANALeXCESS. how does that feel?

 

[AlphaPhase]

you are wrong. social mobilityis at its worst right here in the united states. mainly thanks to the south, but still.

you are an idiot, and you are now allied with ANALeXCESS. how does that feel?

You're gay. Move along. You're not even American so anything you say doesn't count ya canook how's that for being racist, ya canook? I should have my last two Hispanic girlfriends make you some tacos. You're not yourself when your hungry

 

[UncleBuck]

You're gay. Move along. You're not even American so anything you say doesn't count ya canook how's that for being racist, ya canook? I should have my last two Hispanic girlfriends make you some tacos. You're not yourself when your hungry

how does it feel knowing that ANALEXCESS is your ally?

 

[AlphaPhase]

You're gay. Move along. You're not even American so anything you say doesn't count ya canook how's that for being racist, ya canook? I should have my last two Hispanic girlfriends make you some tacos. You're not yourself when your hungry

I'm also not 28, ya canook. Go play some hockey or something, or go to another thread about how the Canadian dollar is going to shit or build an igloo, whatever canooks do these days. Maybe go to blackpeoplemeet. Com and get yourself some sex to make you feel more liberal.

 

[UncleBuck]

lol, he just replied to himself.

 

[AlphaPhase]

That's a pretty silly thing to do aye!

 

[AlphaPhase]

Let's get into some statistics! About 50% of Americans are on social security or welfare.

Notice how the two percentages are separated? One is social security and one is welfare? You'd know that if you weren't Canadian pretending to be an American

 

[Fogdog]

I think it would be too much initially to start the process which would tank our economy. Believe me, if it was possible, and didn't hurt the economy or citizens at all, and it was implemented smoothly with out many problems, I'd say give it a try.. But our economy is very fragile right now, our debt is crazy, I feel bad for the next president that has to take the stand (the only lucky president to take the stand in recent years which had little issues was g. W after Clinton, Clinton did very well and cleaned things up nicely imo.)..

Another issue is the cost of living in Denmark. It's insane, so citizens don't have very much disposable income. They get paid time off and all sorts of good things like vacation, maternity leave etc.. But they have no money to do anything. Well most don't, at least that's the impression I get from talking to some people. They do have awesome social programs which make their lives a little easier but at a cost of having less opportunity to "move on up' in the tax brackets. Just my opinion, I could be wrong, Ive only talked with a handful of people from Denmark.

Here's something to look at. Denmark vs US cost of living

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Denmark/United-States/Cost-of-living

Cost of living is one thing, but how about happiness? Denmark and most other Scandinavian countries with high taxes but strong social support systems rank highly in terms of happiness and well being. Canada ranks number 6 in that regard. How can a people "suffer under high cost" yet have a population that are satisfied with life?

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/03/16/worlds-happiest-countries_n_9478140.html

The US rates number 12 on this list. Not bad, but not great.

And here is a graphic from a study showing how the US compares in terms economic mobility:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_mobility

46% of the time a child born to poor parents in the US grows up to be poor. This happens only 15% of the time in Denmark. Put another way, a child born of poor parents in the US is much less likely to rise out of poverty than a child born in Canada, Finland, Norway or Denmark. So tell me how stultifying social programs are, really?

Its not skittles and beer for everybody anywhere. This country has different problems to solve as well. Just saying that by any measure I can find, countries that put more resources into social programs such a medical care, education, and such have longer lived and prosperous people. One thing the better countries don't have is wide disparity of incomes between the top and bottom economic groups. So there is that. I can see why the Kochs would hate this idea. I don't see why the working classes of this country would.

 

[Fogdog]

You get assigned housing and a job if you dont have one. You have to do whatever they tell you to do for your free housing. Doesnt sound like much freedom to me. You get a cage and food for working for the state. Why not just go to prison? Same deal there...

What are you talking about?

 

[AlphaPhase]

Cost of living is one thing, but how about happiness? Denmark and most other Scandinavian countries with high taxes but strong social support systems rank highly in terms of happiness and well being. Canada ranks number 6 in that regard. How can a people "suffer under high cost" yet have a population that are satisfied with life?

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/03/16/worlds-happiest-countries_n_9478140.html

The US rates number 12 on this list. Not bad, but not great.

And here is a graphic from a study showing how the US compares in terms economic mobility:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_mobility

A child born of poor parents in the US is much less likely to rise out of poverty than a child born in Canada, Finland, Norway or Denmark.

Its not skittles and beer for everybody anywhere. This country has different problems to solve as well. Just saying that by any measure I can find, countries that put more resources into social programs such a medical care, education, and such have longer lived and prosperous people. One thing the better countries don't have is wide disparity of incomes between the top and bottom economic groups. So there is that. I can see why the Kochs would hate this idea. I don't see why the working classes of this country would.

Now that is one of the realest posts I've seen. Not many people bring up the fact that other countries are generally more happy. That is a huge factor for sure. Less suicide rates, just a general better sense of well being, less depression etc.. America has a lot of issues with mental health and the likes.. Would be nice to get that sorted out, especially the gun violence. I mean, I'm all for guns, but I can't stand to read about shootings every other day (I feel it's directly connected).

I guess all in all I'd love to see similar programs that other countries have. I guess I'm just scared because our leaders tend to be extremely bad with money and fixing issues.. I feel Obama care is a failure, a lot of my friends had cheaper rates with lower co-pays.. For example, my vet friend that just had a kid decided to get health insurance.. It was 400/mo and she's a single parent.. She can go to the VA, but no any emergency room, (the VA er is 2 hrs away). If we change our systems abruptly, I feel it could become a burden, but like I said, if it's possible it's worth a shot. I'd love to see it here. Our student loans are ridiculous, my brothers still paying his off after 10 years and his payment is 700 a month smh. If the future for our kids can be a little easier, I'm all for it, if it's possible. We need the right government, Senate, president, Congress... all Stars must align.

 

[Fogdog]

Despite the fact that socialism has failed every time it has been tried, you want to blame America for it's failure in another country.

Yet with exactly the same breath you want to tell us how great it would be for us...

Something stinks!!

Again, the village clown speaks. Dude, you confuse dictatorship with social support systems. The two don't go hand in hand. Venezuela sucks right now. Chavez and his bungling regime had a lot to do with it. Also economic sanctions placed on Venezuela by the US and the plunge in the price of oil did too. Food for the poor is not part of the equation. You are a fool.