US mother accidentally shot dead by two-year-old son

[SoOLED]

Hi. Canadian here.
I don't like handguns. They scare me. I've never held one but I would like to have a go at a firing range.
We have gun violence up here and mostly from illegal hand guns. We can't own them but somehow the bad element get a hold of them.
I think that it's the number of guns out there floating around. Simple as that. If you ban them altogether there would still be gun violence. Somehow, someway, just by sheer numbers it's bound to happen randomly. No matter how many are stored properly or how many are trained it doesn't matter.
Now I'd like to smoke my last cigarette and no need for the blindfold...

CASE. POINT. ..nail in coffin, le grosse dame chante......fin

reference page: all research is based on the tralier park boys TV show..mostly ricky.

 

[Flaming Pie]

*as long as they aren't gay, of course.

Do gay people dislike guns?

 

[ttystikk]

Do gay people dislike guns?

Not that I can tell. Most of my gay/lesbian friends either own some or at the least used to be in the military.

 

[UncleBuck]

Do gay people dislike guns?

the boy scouts have a ban on gays.

 

[ttystikk]

the boy scouts have a ban on gays.

This is exactly why I'm glad I was never a Boy Scout; because I don't think bigotry is worthy of a merit badge.

 

[Flaming Pie]

It is a majorly religious organization. If they don't want to have gay men leading the youth they don't have to allow it.

The leaders are role models and, hate to break it to ya, religious people do not want their sons modeling gay males.

 

[Mr Hyde]

The kid has some strong hands... I almost don't believe the story.

 

[Mount]

This is exactly why I'm glad I was never a Boy Scout; because I don't think bigotry is worthy of a merit badge.

Please don't lump everyone into a single category just because of what you heard on the news or read...not every article or news report is done without prejudice. A lot are screwed to just get a story and ratings... just because a person chooses to join scouting does not make them a bigot, but to state scouting is about bigotry is itself bigotry...

 

[Mount]

It is a majorly religious organization. If they don't want to have gay men leading the youth they don't have to allow it.

The leaders are role models and, hate to break it to ya, religious people do not want their sons modeling gay males.

Scouting does not discriminate, at least where I am and all of the troops I am aware of wont tolerate discrimination of any sort.

 

[ttystikk]

Please don't lump everyone into a single category just because of what you heard on the news or read...not every article or news report is done without prejudice. A lot are screwed to just get a story and ratings... just because a person chooses to join scouting does not make them a bigot, but to state scouting is about bigotry is itself bigotry...

The national organization was very clear about their anti-gay policy.

I will not be a part of or promote any organization that accepts or promotes bigotry, whether everyone who's a member is a bigot or not is irrelevant.

The Boy Scouts really fucked up on that one; they need to be teaching acceptance, not hatred.

 

[Mr Hyde]

there is to many known unknowns: this is the best data I could find " A .40-caliber gun was recovered from the floor of the back seat behind the driver, along with a security officer's gun belt belonging to the victim's boyfriend" and that he was not in a car seat. Or buckled in I'm guessing. a two year old NOT in a car seat

he could not of had the palm of his hand on the grip, and still pull the trigger. He had to remove the weapon from the holster, and turn off the safety. assuming it was on.

place the gun on his lap, or the back seat, guessing average trigger weight of 5lbs. so, he might of used both hands to pull the trigger.

and he did this with: his mom, grandma and 1 year brother all of which noticed nothing.

the gun IMHO, is the last of a long line of irresponsible actions and events, leading to this awful scenario.

..yet some how the gun is the focus.

What the fuck is a 2 year old doing not in a car seat? Was he a gigantic glob of fat or what? AND if he was you should add that to your list of irresponsible shit going on that day.

 

[Mr Hyde]

This is exactly why I'm glad I was never a Boy Scout; because I don't think bigotry is worthy of a merit badge.

o.o I see what you did there.

 

[Mount]

The national organization was very clear about their anti-gay policy.

I will not be a part of or promote any organization that accepts or promotes bigotry, whether everyone who's a member is a bigot or not is irrelevant.

The Boy Scouts really fucked up on that one; they need to be teaching acceptance, not hatred.

Again, not all should be lumped into one category, that is a form of prejudice...it is like stating all Muslims are terrorists..

Light reading:
he following membership standard for youth members of the Boy Scouts of America is hereby adopted and approved, effective Jan. 1, 2014:

Youth membership in the Boy Scouts of America is open to all youth who meet the specific membership requirements to join the Cub Scout, Boy Scout, Varsity Scout, Sea Scout, and Venturing programs. Membership in any program of the Boy Scouts of America requires the youth member to (a) subscribe to and abide by the values expressed in the Scout Oath and Scout Law, (b) subscribe to and abide by the precepts of the Declaration of Religious Principle (duty to God), and (c) demonstrate behavior that exemplifies the highest level of good conduct and respect for others and is consistent at all times with the values expressed in the Scout Oath and Scout Law. No youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference

 

[UncleBuck]

to state scouting is about bigotry is itself bigotry...

no it's not. it is fact.

you ban gays from the organization. that is bigotry.

 

[Mount]

The national organization was very clear about their anti-gay policy.

I will not be a part of or promote any organization that accepts or promotes bigotry, whether everyone who's a member is a bigot or not is irrelevant.

The Boy Scouts really fucked up on that one; they need to be teaching acceptance, not hatred.

Just remember, there are quite a lot of us trying to change the way people think about cannabis... Change does not happen over night, it is an up hill battle that will take time to eventually change the way some groups view the use of this medicine and the recreational use of cannabis... so before we lump everyone in scouting into one category, try to remember not all of us fit the same mold..enough said on the topic..not getting into a pissing match about it. Peace...

 

[UncleBuck]

Just remember, there are quite a lot of us trying to change the way people think about cannabis... Change does not happen over night, it is an up hill battle that will take time to eventually change the way some groups view the use of this medicine and the recreational use of cannabis... so before we lump everyone in scouting into one category, try to remember not all of us fit the same mold..enough said on the topic..not getting into a pissing match about it. Peace...

why are you trying to equate cannabis re-legalization with your refusal to allow gays into scouting?

there is no similarity whatsoever.

 

[ttystikk]

Just remember, there are quite a lot of us trying to change the way people think about cannabis... Change does not happen over night, it is an up hill battle that will take time to eventually change the way some groups view the use of this medicine and the recreational use of cannabis... so before we lump everyone in scouting into one category, try to remember not all of us fit the same mold..enough said on the topic..not getting into a pissing match about it. Peace...

I'm not engaging in a pissing contest. The BS of A made their stance very clear.

So have I.

I'm not going to harass anyone or call anyone out or talk shit about members, because that's irrelevant or worse.

However, the idea that the bylaws of a private organization are somehow relevant to the legal status of a medicinal plant is risible and I'm not the only one pointing that out.

 

[Mount]

I'm not engaging in a pissing contest. The BS of A made their stance very clear.

So have I.

I'm not going to harass anyone or call anyone out or talk shit about members, because that's irrelevant or worse.

However, the idea that the bylaws of a private organization are somehow relevant to the legal status of a medicinal plant is risible and I'm not the only one pointing that out.

It seems to me, bigotry is alive and well today, and the very same people are responsible. They claim we need institutionalized prejudice to fight former institutionalized prejudice. Those people are the heirs of progressives of old, like Margaret Sanger, Woodrow Wilson and their ilk, who created the institutions of prejudice that are active today. The victims of their bigotry are different but their bigotry is obvious to anyone with their eyes open. Moreover, they use the term racist to quell debate and have bandied the terms, bigot, prejudice and racist so much, the despicable nature of the words and their negative connotation has lost most of their value. The reason progressives use bigotry is several fold, they get power from it, they get wealth from it, it allows them to own the debate, and most of all, they get a feeling of superiority from it. Humanity needs to move beyond such childish tactics before our philosophy can rise to the heights it needs to, to support our scientific and technological advancements, because unless our philosophy keeps up with our technology and science, those two legs will become unstable and fall, bringing our whole society down with them.

Science and technology require as a prerequisite, a philosophical underpinning to support them, else they falls over due to ignorance and bias. Civilization has three legs, philosophy, (which includes religion), Science and technology. Unless they grow together the civilization becomes unstable. If one shrinks as the others grow a fall becomes inevitable and most human civilizations throughout history have become unstable this way. They grow in science and technology as their philosophy becomes more human hearted, but once they have reached a new pinnacle of prosperity, the people are led away from their human hearted philosophy, by the elite who have become arrogant and egoistic. The leg of the philosophy supporting the civilization and society shrinks and the collapse becomes inevitable. In hind sight all civilizational collapses are obvious but the people within that civilization are blind to it, even attacking those who point out the obvious as crazy, like the Romans did Titus Livius.

Bigotry is any time people are lumped into groups by a characteristic. It is most foul when that characteristic is considered negative. Whenever someone says, “All of these people are…” they are demonstrating bigotry. It doesn’t matter who the group consists of nor the characteristic described, whenever someone groups people by a characteristic, it is bigotry. We can also deduce that group politics is based on bigotry. To factionalize the people and pit each group against the others is to use prejudice as a political weapon. Such scheming has been the progressive playbook from the beginning. There is no difference between Jim Crow and vilifying gun owners. Both pile dispirit people into a group, assign that group certain negative characteristics, and then pits society against that group for the negative qualities they have been assigned.

Progressivism cut it’s teeth on bigotry and racism, today progressives use it their fall back position, prejudice as a bulwark against debate. There is not a debate today where progressive don’t use their ace in the hole. They play the race card at every opportunity, sometimes to claim preferential treatment for this or that group, sometimes to vilify a group or to simply stop a debate that is skirting the truth about a subject. Progressivism is all about group politics. Without lumping people into some artificial group and either claiming that group is put upon or evil, progressivism would have no place. It is all about groups, like all socialism, the very term, socialism, means politics for the benefit of a certain group. Just listen to them deny the sovereignty of the individual for the group, “People need to start thinking about what is best for the greater good instead of themselves…” Such utterances put the group ahead of the individual and thereby are bigoted in the most general sense of the term.

The most pernicious form prejudice takes is when the bigot gets a feeling of superiority from his or her prejudice. This is perhaps the greatest sin of progressivism. Progressives get a feeling of moral superiority from their prejudice and bigotry. While denying moral authority that comes from the divine they find moral superiority in the banal. That is possibly the main reason progressives and all socialists, are so attached to prejudice, is that feeling of superiority it gives them.

At their very core, bigotry, racism and prejudice are comparative. “I am better than them because…” It is foolish to compare yourself to others, because there will always be those who are greater and lesser, and that leads to arrogance and anger. Bigotry, racism and prejudice have no place in modern society, especially as a political weapon. When you see it point it out, not as a means to stop debate, but to protect open debate and nullify the power bigotry has over us. In order to continue expanding in science and technology our civilization must advance philosophically. True philosophy is not bigoted, no matter the group protected or harassed, true philosophy is human hearted, inclusive and includes the divine, never the banal.

 

[Rob Roy]

One other thing that needs to be done is to get the bleeding heart liberals out of law making and start making laws that actually get enforced that will actually punish those that use weapons in crime. Its about time we stopped allowing criminals who do harm to others to be slapped on the wrist. Other countries have stiff laws that are actually enforced, while we have tons of groups who cry for the criminals rights and we can't violate them..but what about the victims rights and the victims families rights???

If it is criminal to threaten offensive force against peaceful people, then how would you reconcile using a political entity which uses threats of offensive force as its primary means to exist, also being the entity which will bring a solution?

I do not question holding people accountable for their actions when they victimize people, which is precisely why I asked the question above.

 

[bluntmassa1]

the boy scouts have a ban on gays.

Yeah, but what are boyscouts about? Surviving in the wild or the Kardashians? A lot of child molestation has happened as well and I don't want some princess teaching my son to be a man. Lol