I just might start shopping at Walmart

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On February 19, 1942 Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 which ordered Secretary of War, and military commanders to designate military areas "from which any or all persons may be excluded." Roosevelt released the imprisoned Japanese in 1944. On February 1, 1943, when activating the 442nd Regimental Combat Team -- a unit composed mostly of American citizens of Japanese descent living in Hawaii, he said, "No loyal citizen of the United States should be denied the democratic right to exercise the responsibilities of his citizenship, regardless of his ancestry. The principle on which this country was founded and by which it has always been governed is that Americanism is a matter of the mind and heart; Americanism is not, and never was, a matter of race or ancestry."
 
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Some of his closest political associates, such as Felix Frankfurter, Bernard Baruch and Samuel I. Rosenman, were Jewish. He appointed Henry Morgenthau, Jr. as the first Jewish Secretary of the Treasury and appointed Frankfurter to the Supreme Court. Historian Doris Kearns Goodwin cites statistics showing that FDR’s high level executive appointments favored Jews (15% of his top appointments at a time when Jews represented 3% of the U.S. population) which subjected Roosevelt to frequent criticism. The August, 1936 edition of "The White Knight" published an article referring to the New Deal as the “Jew Deal.” Pamphlets appeared such as "What Every Congressman Should Know" in 1940 (featuring a sketch of the Capitol building with a Star of David atop its dome) that proclaimed that the Jews were in control of the American government. Financier and FDR confidant Bernard Baruch was called the “Unofficial President” in the anti-Semitic literature of the time. The periodical Liberation, for example, accused FDR of loading his government with Jews.[2]

After 1942, when Roosevelt was made aware of the Nazi extermination of the Jews by Rabbi Stephen Wise, the Polish envoy Jan Karski and others, he told them that the best solution was to destroy Nazi Germany. At Casablanca in 1943 Roosevelt announced there would be no compromise whatsoever with Hitler. In May 1943 he wrote to Cordell Hull (whose wife was Jewish): "I do not think we can do other than strictly comply with the present immigration laws." In January 1944, however, Morgenthau succeeded in persuading Roosevelt to allow the creation of aWar Refugee Board in the Treasury Department. This allowed an increasing number of Jews to enter the U.S. in 1944 and 1945.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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see4 said:
Nope. He inherited the economy from Hoover four years after the stock market crash. Hoover literally did nothing to improve things.
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I see you didn't refute his racism or his incarceration of my families friends parents.

I could address the rest too, like I said though, I don't feel like it right now.

He didn't "inherit" an economy, but I think I know what you mean anyway. Also, I said he prolonged the depression.

He is revered by people as "saving the country"...he didn't, it was propaganda.

Oh, he tried to "take over" by stacking the Supreme Court too. He wanted to expand it so he could add his hand picked lackeys.
Have you ever heard the saying, a stitch in time saves nine" ? It's a reference to the near take over.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Rob Roy said:
The person forcing the interaction becomes the initiator of aggression. They are using offensive force. (starting shit...in the wrong)

The person seeking not to interact has a right to repel offensive force with defensive force. (in the right)
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So would it be okay to train my dog to eat anybody that came past the fence? She seems inclined that way anyhow.
 
see4

see4

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Rob Roy said:
He didn't "inherit" an economy, but I think I know what you mean anyway. Also, I said he prolonged the depression.
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My point was that your blame is being pointed in the wrong direction. Hoover did nothing while the depression was happening. FDR came along and tried to fix the economy. Some argue that he prolonged it, with little proof to support, and others argue he did not, with little proof to support it.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Red1966 said:
So would it be okay to train my dog to eat anybody that came past the fence? She seems inclined that way anyhow.
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It might be nice if you exercised discretion. For instance, just because we can do something, doesn't mean we should.

Perhaps a nip in the ass would suffice?
 
Rob Roy

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see4 said:
My point was that your blame is being pointed in the wrong direction. Hoover did nothing while the depression was happening. FDR came along and tried to fix the economy. Some argue that he prolonged it, with little proof to support, and others argue he did not, with little proof to support it.
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So, you've conceded he was a racist? Incarcerated Amercians without due process? Tried to take over Supreme Court by expansion by adding of his cronies ?

You might want to take a seat on the bench, it seems you're not catching up to my change up slugger. I haven't even broken a sweat.

Ho hum.
 
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max420thc

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see4 said:
I figured you'd be smart enough to go figure that shit out on your own, but I guess not. Here, I will spoon feed you the information, halfwit.


2006–2008: Operation Wide Receiver and other probes[edit]
Operation Wide Receiver[edit]

The suspicious sale of AR-15s led to Operation Wide Receiver.[31]
The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty of Mad Dawg Global informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.[31]

With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[12] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[30] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.[6][31][32][33]

As the later DOJ OIG Report documented, under Wide Receiver coordination of ATF Tucson with the ATF Mexico City Office (MCO) and with Mexican law enforcement had been haphazard. Discussions of getting tracking devices from Raytheon were not followed up. ATF field agents and the cooperating gun dealer had been told by ATF supervisors that the guns were being interdicted before they could reach Mexico, but only 64 of the 474 guns had actually been seized. The kingpin sought by walking the guns, Israel Egurrola-Leon, turned out to be the target of a larger drug case Operation Iron River run by OCDETF. After Operation Wide Receiver was ended, several attorneys at the Phoenix USAO who reviewed the Wide Receiver cases for prosecution found the cases had been so poorly managed that they were reluctant to bring any of them to trial.[1]
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Main article: ATF gunwalking scandal
ATF Project Gunrunner has a stated official objective to stop the sale and export of guns from the United States into Mexico in order to deny Mexican drug cartels the firearms considered "tools of the trade".[21] However, since 2006 under Operation Wide Receiver (2006-2007), Hernandez Case (2007), Medrano Case (2008) and Operation Fast and Furious (2009-2011), the Phoenix offices of ATF and USAO did the opposite by permitting, encouraging and facilitating 'straw purchase' firearm sales to traffickers, and allowing the guns to 'walk' and be transported to Mexico.[22][23] A firearm linked to Operation Fast and Furious was used to kill US border agent Brian Terry and has generated considerable controversy.[3][24][25][26]
Senator Charles E. Grassley (R-IA) initiated an investigation with a letter to ATF on 27 January 2011,[27] and again on 31 January 2011. ATF responded through the Department of Justice by denying all allegations.[28] Senator Grassley responded with specific documentation supporting the allegations in letters to U.S. Attorney General Holder on 9 Feb 2011[29] and 16 Feb 2011.[30] ATF refused to answer specific questions in a formal briefing to Senator Grassley on 10 Feb 2011.[citation needed]
In October 2011, documents were released that indicated Justice Department officials were sent memos in regards to Operation Fast and Furious in 2010.[31]
Indictments filed in federal court, documentation obtained by Senator Grassley, and statements of ATF agents obtained by Senator Grassley and CBS News, show that the ATF Phoenix Field Division allowed and facilitated the sale of over 2,500 firearms (AK-47 rifles, FN 5.7mm pistols, AK-47 pistols, and .50 caliber rifles) in 'straw man purchases' destined for Mexico.[24][32][33][34][35][36] According to ATF agents, Mexican officials were not notified, and ATF agents operating in Mexico were instructed not to alert Mexican authorities about the operation.[37] Under Fast and Furious, the ATF attache at the Mexico City Office (MCO) was not notified (unlike Wide Receiver and most other cases).[38]
Some ATF agents and supervisors strongly objected, and gun dealers (who were cooperating with ATF) protested the sales, but were asked by ATF to complete the transactions to expose the supply chain and gather intelligence
There are a lot of major differences between the two programs, hopefully you can read and understand what you are reading, the two were not the same, matter of fact one of your political hacks by the name of chuck Grassley was outraged by this program,
 
see4

see4

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Rob Roy said:
So, you've conceded he was a racist? Incarcerated Amercians without due process? Tried to take over Supreme Court by expansion by adding of his cronies ?

You might want to take a seat on the bench, it seems you're not catching up to my change up slugger. I haven't even broken a sweat.

Ho hum.
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He did incarcerate Japanese Americans without due process. And that was bad.
I still need you to cite the quote you provide to begin to draw any conclusion on racism.
"Tried to take over the Supreme Court by expansion by adding of his cronies?" -- Umm. Are you speaking of President Bush now?

The only time I sat on the bench was when I played basketball in college. I must apologize, I don't get your baseball reference, that game is far too boring for me.
 
see4

see4

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max420thc said:
Main article: ATF gunwalking scandal
ATF Project Gunrunner has a stated official objective to stop the sale and export of guns from the United States into Mexico in order to deny Mexican drug cartels the firearms considered "tools of the trade".[21] However, since 2006 under Operation Wide Receiver (2006-2007), Hernandez Case (2007), Medrano Case (2008) and Operation Fast and Furious (2009-2011), the Phoenix offices of ATF and USAO did the opposite by permitting, encouraging and facilitating 'straw purchase' firearm sales to traffickers, and allowing the guns to 'walk' and be transported to Mexico.[22][23] A firearm linked to Operation Fast and Furious was used to kill US border agent Brian Terry and has generated considerable controversy.[3][24][25][26]
Senator Charles E. Grassley (R-IA) initiated an investigation with a letter to ATF on 27 January 2011,[27] and again on 31 January 2011. ATF responded through the Department of Justice by denying all allegations.[28] Senator Grassley responded with specific documentation supporting the allegations in letters to U.S. Attorney General Holder on 9 Feb 2011[29] and 16 Feb 2011.[30] ATF refused to answer specific questions in a formal briefing to Senator Grassley on 10 Feb 2011.[citation needed]
In October 2011, documents were released that indicated Justice Department officials were sent memos in regards to Operation Fast and Furious in 2010.[31]
Indictments filed in federal court, documentation obtained by Senator Grassley, and statements of ATF agents obtained by Senator Grassley and CBS News, show that the ATF Phoenix Field Division allowed and facilitated the sale of over 2,500 firearms (AK-47 rifles, FN 5.7mm pistols, AK-47 pistols, and .50 caliber rifles) in 'straw man purchases' destined for Mexico.[24][32][33][34][35][36] According to ATF agents, Mexican officials were not notified, and ATF agents operating in Mexico were instructed not to alert Mexican authorities about the operation.[37] Under Fast and Furious, the ATF attache at the Mexico City Office (MCO) was not notified (unlike Wide Receiver and most other cases).[38]
Some ATF agents and supervisors strongly objected, and gun dealers (who were cooperating with ATF) protested the sales, but were asked by ATF to complete the transactions to expose the supply chain and gather intelligence
There are a lot of major differences between the two programs, hopefully you can read and understand what you are reading, the two were not the same, matter of fact one of your political hacks by the name of chuck Grassley was outraged by this program,
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Right. So this started under Bush and continued for 3 years during his presidency. It then continued for 2 more years under Obama. This current administration needs to be held responsible for the continuation, but the Bush administration should be held responsible for the creation of the problem.
 
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max420thc

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see4 said:
Right. So this started under Bush and continued for 3 years during his presidency. It then continued for 2 more years under Obama. This current administration needs to be held responsible for the continuation, but the Bush administration should be held responsible for the creation of the problem.
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DIDNT you read it,it did the exact opposite of what line backer did,
EVEN a guy on your side that has no morals seen it as wrong,wow, what college did you say you went to? if I were you id ask for my fucking money back you got screwed
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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max420thc said:
DIDNT you read it,it did the exact opposite of what line backer did,
EVEN a guy on your side that has no morals seen it as wrong,wow, what college did you say you went to? if I were you id ask for my fucking money back you got screwed
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why are you condemning gunrunning?

aren't guns good?

don't more guns make us safer?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
The person forcing the interaction becomes the initiator of aggression. They are using offensive force. (starting shit...in the wrong)

The person seeking not to interact has a right to repel offensive force with defensive force. (in the right)
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offering money to vendors in exchange for goods and services: offensive force!

kicking people out of your store because they have the wrong skin color: defensive force

that is the world according to robrot, the racial separatist.
 
see4

see4

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@Rob Roy Hey man, when you have a chance, can you cite the source of that FDR quote? I've still yet to find it. When I asked the first time to cite it, you may have misunderstood what I was asking and posting some random image that had absolutely nothing to do with the question at hand.

Sincerely,
see4
 
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