abandonconflict
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He should have just let capitalism die.
I just might start shopping at Walmart
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abandonconflict
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Revolution.
guns are no different than anything else, in good hands they are good in bad ones bad,
You truly are the dumbest on RIU. same as hammers,, base ball bats ,knifes or anything else,
You probably should never own a gun, you would probably shoot yourself or someone else
UncleBuck
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so you're saying mexicans are automatically bad and that more guns is not the answer to anything?
Red1966
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So it's okay, then? I've buried 4 bodies in the back yard already, and to tell you the truth, I'm getting tired of digging holes. They never come when I'm there and/or awake. Just last week, I wake up at 4 AM to the screams of someone who didn't know what "BEWARE OF DOG" means. So there I am, 4 in the morning, digging another God damn hole. If I could just drag them out to the curb, it would be a lot easier on my back.
Edit: Come to think of it, leaving the body in front of the "BEWARE OF DOG" sign might educate the illiterate motherf_____s.
panhead
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FAIL !
Complete & utter fabrication . If i was gonna tell an outright lie like you just did i'd atleast do the bare bones research on how members contributions & employer pension payments are handled before spewing complete lies about why you are anti union .
Unions recieve a small percentage of the members hourly wages plus the members monthly dues , they do not recieve members pension contributions , pension contributions are sent directly to whichever investment fund the union & employers use to manage the pension fund , not to the " Union Boss" as you claim , you got that shit from the tv movie about Jimmy Hoffas scamming in the 60's .
It would be pretty damm hard for you to watch your " Union Boss" steal everybodies pension money when the pensions you mentioned all fall under federal mandate where 3rd partys handel all pension contributions & the union never has access to pension funds .
What union local ripped your pension off & what was the union bussiness agents name ?
I hold a seat on the Executive board that oversees the Michigan Building Trades Pension Fund & Health & Welfare so your claims are easily viewed, union local # & business agents name please .
So your saying you were a member of a Steamfitters union where you worked for hourly pay as Fitter , then also worked out of the office as a salesman ? Sounds like an extremely small & mismanaged company because large reputable union shops have non union sales staff paid via salary & commission, union Fitters cant be paid via salary or commission & are paid hourly only ,that anti union shit your claiming your were victimized by just isnt adding up , not by a long shot .
What Fitters local # were you represented by & what is your classification within that local ?
The only tradesmen i know who didnt make much more income working for a union shop vs a scab shop were all slugs who couldnt keep pace , or workers who were unqualified & didnt know the trade , in 40 yrs ive never seen a kick ass tradesman go back working scab after he worked union , all the highly skilled tradesmen are snatched up & highly compensated way above union scale , the slugs get the shit work & the lowest pay scale allowed which isnt much more than scab wages , but they dont know shit so their lucky to get paid at all .
And the most telling & truthfull statement you made out of that entire mess , instead of making up stories how unions ripped you off & forced you to do 2 jobs at once , all the while surrounded by idiots where your the only tradesman who knows his job why not just tell the truth , the truth being that you hate unions because they support Democratic Politicans who support labor ,instead of the anti labor Republican party you lean twords so you claim they ripped you off .
The unions you hate wouldn't need to support the Democratic pro labor politicians you hate so much if the ABC's PAC & lobby didnt spend hundreds of millions of dollars every election supporting anti labor Republican Party members , tell your company to stop spending huge amounts of their profits backing the anti labor ABC & give you a raise
The ABC lobby throws 10x the money at anti labor Republicans campaigns then unions can afford to spend but your outraged by the unions expenditure , most union members understand the need to combat the ABC lobby & support pro labor Democrats with their votes , it dont take a genious to figure out to support politicans who support you making better wages.
The more you talk the easier to see your hatred of unions is based on your political views & is not based upon union membership , you hate unions because you hate Democrats .
ttystikk
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We have plenty of things to try before such a course becomes necessary. But maybe this is where the conversation veers from theoretical to practical. The landscape changes dramatically...
I've seen plenty of revolution and I'm not interested in having one here. But if the majority voters can still demand and get specific changes, then there is an alternative to it.
panhead
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Thats a smart move , the wife & i do the same , we try to support our local economies & private businesses as much as possible , the money spent within the community helps the community thrive vs stagnating when you shop at corporate stores .
Even small businesses get screwed by their corporate handlers , case in point is our cell phone service , the franchise store is owned by a super nice Iranian kid in his late 20's, he sets up our phones , fixes problems with the apps ect all for free , if i pay my phone bills via internet it costs me $5 more each phone & his franchise gets zero money from corporate , if i pay my bill in person i save $5 on each of the 8 phones on our account & the franchise owner gets a percentage of my payment , needless to say i pay in person .
I dont buy our electronic equipment like tv's , stereos , blue ray players ect from Shitmart or Best Buy , they sell garbage throw away electronics , their employees dont know how to properly demonstrate the equipment & they pay their employees shit for wages , hence they dont get our business
We get all our fresh meat from a local butcher shop & our fresh fish from the fishmonger at the local farmers market , before my wife became too sick to can fruits & veggys we bought all our produce there as well , we use Meijers ( Union shop ) for canned goods & household items .
We buy most of our small home repair items for the rental business at the local ACE Hardware franchise vs Home Depot , Ace is cheaper most of the time & the money stays local , its amazing how many people dont support their local economy then complain because there are few local jobs .
Red1966
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Not too long ago, businesses had complete control over how pension funds were invested. There were no "third party" requirements then. Often they were "invested" as loans to the business. If the business went bankrupt, the loans never got paid back, leaving workers holding the bag. Often, union bosses were found to have failed to warn their constituents of this betrayal in exchange for "favors" from management.FAIL !
Complete & utter fabrication . If i was gonna tell an outright lie like you just did i'd atleast do the bare bones research on how members contributions & employer pension payments are handled before spewing complete lies about why you are anti union .
Unions recieve a small percentage of the members hourly wages plus the members monthly dues , they do not recieve members pension contributions , pension contributions are sent directly to whichever investment fund the union & employers use to manage the pension fund , not to the " Union Boss" as you claim , you got that shit from the tv movie about Jimmy Hoffas scamming in the 60's .
It would be pretty damm hard for you to watch your " Union Boss" steal everybodies pension money when the pensions you mentioned all fall under federal mandate where 3rd partys handel all pension contributions & the union never has access to pension funds .
What union local ripped your pension off & what was the union bussiness agents name ?
I hold a seat on the Executive board that oversees the Michigan Building Trades Pension Fund & Health & Welfare so your claims are easily viewed, union local # & business agents name please .
So your saying you were a member of a Steamfitters union where you worked for hourly pay as Fitter , then also worked out of the office as a salesman ? Sounds like an extremely small & mismanaged company because large reputable union shops have non union sales staff paid via salary & commission, union Fitters cant be paid via salary or commission & are paid hourly only ,that anti union shit your claiming your were victimized by just isnt adding up , not by a long shot .
What Fitters local # were you represented by & what is your classification within that local ?
The only tradesmen i know who didnt make much more income working for a union shop vs a scab shop were all slugs who couldnt keep pace , or workers who were unqualified & didnt know the trade , in 40 yrs ive never seen a kick ass tradesman go back working scab after he worked union , all the highly skilled tradesmen are snatched up & highly compensated way above union scale , the slugs get the shit work & the lowest pay scale allowed which isnt much more than scab wages , but they dont know shit so their lucky to get paid at all .
And the most telling & truthfull statement you made out of that entire mess , instead of making up stories how unions ripped you off & forced you to do 2 jobs at once , all the while surrounded by idiots where your the only tradesman who knows his job why not just tell the truth , the truth being that you hate unions because they support Democratic Politicans who support labor ,instead of the anti labor Republican party you lean twords so you claim they ripped you off .
The unions you hate wouldn't need to support the Democratic pro labor politicians you hate so much if the ABC's PAC & lobby didnt spend hundreds of millions of dollars every election supporting anti labor Republican Party members , tell your company to stop spending huge amounts of their profits backing the anti labor ABC & give you a raise
The ABC lobby throws 10x the money at anti labor Republicans campaigns then unions can afford to spend but your outraged by the unions expenditure , most union members understand the need to combat the ABC lobby & support pro labor Democrats with their votes , it dont take a genious to figure out to support politicans who support you making better wages.
The more you talk the easier to see your hatred of unions is based on your political views & is not based upon union membership , you hate unions because you hate Democrats .
panhead
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In other words lets just take a steaming shit on the heads of the elderly & infirm , shit on all the disabled & impoverished too !
Sounds like big fun , just pray to god you save $30,000 for every year your retired so you dont have to rely on any social saftey nets , plus hope your business dont fold or downsize your position , leaving you unemployed & wishing your ex employer didnt fight tooth & nail keeping you from getting UE , ya might even need state funded insurance & food stamps , come the day you need that shit you'll see a need for those programs & be singing the boo hoo blues , ive seen it quite a few times .
How did you become so begrudging of the less fortunate anyways ? I would hate feeling contempt for so many people .
UncleBuck
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you really shouldn't try to joke about that with your propensity for causing death.
panhead
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Not too long ago according to what timeline ?
If you want to find bad shit about anything you can if you look far enough back , i'd be willing to bet the band many more people have been fucked over & left out to dry when their non union business imploded & corporate raided all the assets , i cant recall any union getting a Golden Parachute in my 62 yrs on earth , the term itself was invented to speak about non union mismanagement.
Not too long ago non union shitheads like Enron bilked billions from employees , shareholders & the government , i think we can find quite a few more huge examples like Enron from Not too long ago than we can find where unions left people broke after a few privileged raided the coffers .
see4
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Yea, isn't he the one that set fire to his house and family? He literally burns people alive.
I wonder if Red burned Mindmelted's mom, which is why Mindmelted has a RIP signature for his loved one.
Naw, that can't be, I suspect Mindmelted's mom hung herself because she was so ashamed of being his mother.
Local 135, I just wrote a fucking book reply to this post,then deleted it because it was in the wrong spot. MOST OF THE NON UNION companys here pay higher than union scale,I was a journeyman HVAC tech,The union does nothing but fuck the tax payer if it were not for prevailing wage government contracts they would not be able to compete in the free market,FAIL !
Complete & utter fabrication . If i was gonna tell an outright lie like you just did i'd atleast do the bare bones research on how members contributions & employer pension payments are handled before spewing complete lies about why you are anti union .
Unions recieve a small percentage of the members hourly wages plus the members monthly dues , they do not recieve members pension contributions , pension contributions are sent directly to whichever investment fund the union & employers use to manage the pension fund , not to the " Union Boss" as you claim , you got that shit from the tv movie about Jimmy Hoffas scamming in the 60's .
It would be pretty damm hard for you to watch your " Union Boss" steal everybodies pension money when the pensions you mentioned all fall under federal mandate where 3rd partys handel all pension contributions & the union never has access to pension funds .
What union local ripped your pension off & what was the union bussiness agents name ?
I hold a seat on the Executive board that oversees the Michigan Building Trades Pension Fund & Health & Welfare so your claims are easily viewed, union local # & business agents name please .
So your saying you were a member of a Steamfitters union where you worked for hourly pay as Fitter , then also worked out of the office as a salesman ? Sounds like an extremely small & mismanaged company because large reputable union shops have non union sales staff paid via salary & commission, union Fitters cant be paid via salary or commission & are paid hourly only ,that anti union shit your claiming your were victimized by just isnt adding up , not by a long shot .
What Fitters local # were you represented by & what is your classification within that local ?
The only tradesmen i know who didnt make much more income working for a union shop vs a scab shop were all slugs who couldnt keep pace , or workers who were unqualified & didnt know the trade , in 40 yrs ive never seen a kick ass tradesman go back working scab after he worked union , all the highly skilled tradesmen are snatched up & highly compensated way above union scale , the slugs get the shit work & the lowest pay scale allowed which isnt much more than scab wages , but they dont know shit so their lucky to get paid at all .
And the most telling & truthfull statement you made out of that entire mess , instead of making up stories how unions ripped you off & forced you to do 2 jobs at once , all the while surrounded by idiots where your the only tradesman who knows his job why not just tell the truth , the truth being that you hate unions because they support Democratic Politicans who support labor ,instead of the anti labor Republican party you lean twords so you claim they ripped you off .
The unions you hate wouldn't need to support the Democratic pro labor politicians you hate so much if the ABC's PAC & lobby didnt spend hundreds of millions of dollars every election supporting anti labor Republican Party members , tell your company to stop spending huge amounts of their profits backing the anti labor ABC & give you a raise
The ABC lobby throws 10x the money at anti labor Republicans campaigns then unions can afford to spend but your outraged by the unions expenditure , most union members understand the need to combat the ABC lobby & support pro labor Democrats with their votes , it dont take a genious to figure out to support politicans who support you making better wages.
The more you talk the easier to see your hatred of unions is based on your political views & is not based upon union membership , you hate unions because you hate Democrats .
With friends like the Clintons passing laws like NAFTA and other slugs like obamao importing millions of illegal aliens driving wages down who needs enemys?
A union member giving money to democrats is like a chicken voting for col sanders.
So tell me how is that Michigan state budget look these days?How many union manifactures you have left in Michigan after NAFTA?
HVAC techs are different than construction workers They work directly for the client and are often responsible for sales.
I HAVE NEVER been anything but fucked by the unions I have belonged to.
I used to go to the meetings and listen to the arguments , here the bull shit watch the miss management by the union big shots fucking off the workers money, telling them they have to work harder and longer to meet the requirments to retire, had a big stink and some union boss's went to jail, its all bull shit though and I don't know what im talking about im sure,Hey all the union reps have new cars and trucks and large expense accounts to piss off the money the members work for,so its all cool, same at the teamsters,
abandonconflict
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Obama has deported millions.
ChesusRice
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How boring.
Anti union, pro republican posters talking out their ass again.
The only truth is. Without representation in the work force.
The employees is going to get fucked
You don't have to be in a union to benefit from their presence
Anti union, pro republican posters talking out their ass again.
The only truth is. Without representation in the work force.
The employees is going to get fucked
You don't have to be in a union to benefit from their presence
ginjawarrior
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i said nothing about scarcity. all i want to know is exactly how you decide that the land is unused???? fuck mail boxes
its achieved through government . those deeds to your house mean nothing at all without government backing
panhead
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I dont buy a lick of it & call bullshit , local #135 what ? Do you know how many different trades install & service hvac systems ?
Notice how 90% of your post reflects political views instead of info about your union career .
I also know all about how union hvac techs work because they worked under me for 20 yrs , a feild repair tech that your passing yourself off as gets paid hourly for service calls & repair quotes are free , the only feild techs ive seen that get paid commission are sorry ass scabs who are paid commission to upsell the building owner into buying a bunch of unnecessary repairs or parts , or demand a fee for a repair quote , all scab shit .
Your bringing in aspects of your scab employer & trying to make it fit your anti union rhetoric ,no go bro
Again i call bullshit.
As for how Detroit is doing im doing fine , at the 1st of every month over $5k gets deposited into my account from my pension & another $3k comes in on the 3rd from social security ,my wifes $2k pension hits the account on the 1st as well , at over $10k a month in retirement were doin great , hows your retirement account doing
@MuyLocoNC , that little $32k check you were bragging about from your work before you deleted the post does not impress at all , that wouldnt even pay my property taxes on our homes , hell i got more than that under my sofa cushion
Again scabs fail to show any real wealth .
I don't know how many HVAC guys you have worked with,I dont buy a lick of it & call bullshit , local #135 what ? Do you know how many different trades install & service hvac systems ?
Notice how 90% of your post reflects political views instead of info about your union career .
I also know all about how union hvac techs work because they worked under me for 20 yrs , a feild repair tech that your passing yourself off as gets paid hourly for service calls & repair quotes are free , the only feild techs ive seen that get paid commission are sorry ass scabs who are paid commission to upsell the building owner into buying a bunch of unnecessary repairs or parts , or demand a fee for a repair quote , all scab shit .
Your bringing in aspects of your scab employer & trying to make it fit your anti union rhetoric ,no go bro
Again i call bullshit.
As for how Detroit is doing im doing fine , at the 1st of every month over $5k gets deposited into my account from my pension & another $3k comes in on the 3rd from social security ,my wifes $2k pension hits the account on the 1st as well , at over $10k a month in retirement were doin great , hows your retirement account doing
@MuyLocoNC , that little $32k check you were bragging about from your work before you deleted the post does not impress at all , that wouldnt even pay my property taxes on our homes , hell i got more than that under my sofa cushion
Again scabs fail to show any real wealth .
I own my own little HVAC company. I didn't work in the union very long, I didn't like it,
You can call DEEM a mechanical company non union located here in Indianapolis,(normally I never give a location) tell them you are a HVAC tech doing commercial and industrial ..although it doesn't matter, tell them you have 20 years experience and you are having a hard time getting along at the company you work with or the company you work for sends you out of town and your wife is tired of it and can bring,,lets just say ,,,10 million dollars worth of business to their company , the clients you work for you have been working for for a very long time and they follow you and like your work, tell the you want 50 bucks a hour and a commission on equipment sales if you go to work for them, I bet you get 45 bucks a hour,and a commission or bonus's .
What was that union journeyman scale again? I know it depends on where you are at but the union scale here is around 29 bucks a hour,
I earn about a 100 bucks a hour a lot more than that depending on what I am doing, I have a bad back and do not like to throw ladders up and down no roofs, then if you have a compressor change out frequently you are toting a rope with a hundred pound compressor up and down off of a roof, then your recovery equipment and tanks , your tools , gauges , vacuum pump,
In the summer it will be hotter than hell on the roof with no place to hide from it just baking on the fucking roof trying to get the people inside some cooling going,
People become instant ass holes when they are sweating and hot,
And in the winter time with negative wind chill factors hitting you up the crack of your ass with no place to hide, or hot mechanical rooms in the summer.
Companys are not stupid they would rather hire someone who brings money in with them when they hire in.Union or non union shops.
I prefer to work less and have fun with life.
I am just conveying my experience with unions,
Ive never had this happen to me, but ive heard storys of guys that went to Chicago who were non union and had their work destroyed by union companys, had their tires slashed , all kinds of shit like that,
I know these man were good competent men , good guys too just trying to make a living for their familys same as the next guy, good at what they do too,
Why do you union guys go smash someones shit they worked and paid for? at least the union guys I knew of down here worked well with anyone, the GCs on construction jobs around here would not tolerate shit like that,
Red1966
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How does corporate raid assets they already own? "Golden Parachute" has nothing to do with unions or mismanagement. Enron was union. You're deluding yourself. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you blather about shit that is untrue or doesn't have thing to do with the subject?