...All Things Vero...

[AquariusPanta]

Been thinking about putting some vero cobs together for clone vegging and mothers. Someone told me he uses vero 18 and runs them at 350mA. I'm new to all of this I want to make some for my flowering tent but I'll probably go with Cree CXA 3070. But for my first DIY Ill keep it cheap and simple. Do you guys think vero 18 5000k ran at 350ml would be good for vegging and clones?

I think 5000K is the best option (within the given selections of BridgeLux products) for for vegging and cloning, although some would argue that 4000K is the best.

At 350mA you could have the Vero 18s really close to the plants, although 700mA seems to be a sweet spot for me.

 

[nvhak49]

I'll try them at 350 at first and see how I like it. Would these drivers work?
Where do you get your veros from, are there different bins that are better like with cree's?
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=201275811320

 

[AquariusPanta]

I'll try them at 350 at first and see how I like it. Would these drivers work?
Where do you get your veros from, are there different bins that are better like with cree's?
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=201275811320

I use the APC drivers as well. They are cheap and compact but are not known as being the most efficient series from MeanWell. If your looking for compact but wouldn't mind spending an extra few for better efficiency, then check out the PLD series - they are very similar to the APC series but have better parts in them, which translates to higher efficiency (~87% vs. ~83%, near full loads @115VDC) for us growers.

http://www.meanwell.com/search/pld-25/PLD-25-spec.pdf

I've ordered my Veros from Digikey in the past.

 

[UKpeanuts]

I've got one a vero 29 and one of these clamps. do I use the 2 holes provided to clamp the cob and reflector? or are you meant to clamp the cob and reflector separately?

thanks
ukp

 

[AquariusPanta]

I've got one a vero 29 and one of these clamps. do I use the 2 holes provided to clamp the cob and reflector? or are you meant to clamp the cob and reflector separately?

thanks
ukp

I imagine you'd line up the two holes of the clamp with two holes of the 29 and screw her down. Then maybe the reflector is clipped in, depending on which reflector your using.

 

[nvhak49]

Are you guys using the vero 29 3000k to flower?

 

[churchhaze]

I think vero 29 3000k for flowering works the best so far over 3500k, but it's hard to really notice a difference.

 

[Mechmike]

I use 3500k with good results. I like the slightly higher K-temp because they make more light per watt and they have enough red to flower nicely. I also use 660nm deep red though and that makes a big difference in but density. Most whites come up short in the deep red area. From what I seen the only one with enough deep red is the Vero Decor which is mentioned in the Vero datasheets but doesn't seem to be available to buy.

 

[UKpeanuts]

Hey Mechmike - what sort of power are you using with the 660nm leds, compared to the total power of your cobs? Could you recomend a small 660nm chip, i'm interested in dense nugs

 

[uzerneims]

I use 3500k with good results. I like the slightly higher K-temp because they make more light per watt and they have enough red to flower nicely. I also use 660nm deep red though and that makes a big difference in but density. Most whites come up short in the deep red area. From what I seen the only one with enough deep red is the Vero Decor which is mentioned in the Vero datasheets but doesn't seem to be available to buy.

Wich deep red's can you recommend?
Like for one squareft, how many wats of deep red you put on?

 

[alesh]

I use 3500k with good results. I like the slightly higher K-temp because they make more light per watt and they have enough red to flower nicely. I also use 660nm deep red though and that makes a big difference in but density. Most whites come up short in the deep red area. From what I seen the only one with enough deep red is the Vero Decor which is mentioned in the Vero datasheets but doesn't seem to be available to buy.

Not really sure what you consider deep red, 640-680nm sounds ok?
Then Vero décor 3000K has only 8.5% more of such light than Vero 3000K 80CRI and 10% less than Vero 3000K 80CRI v2.
V18 size, watt for watt, absolute.

And a detail.


I'm not trying to say that some extra deep red is not beneficial. Vero décor just isn't a good choice to add it.

 

[Lighterfighter]

Hey I was looking into building a light for 6-700$ to cover a 2x4 or 3x3 area or bigger. I was wondering if vero has uv or ir range. Of if the light would need that. Additionally looking into the crees. But I was thinking of making a sliding rail system for light distribution management. and maybe adding reds but need more alot more info lol any advice is appreciated. I need to pick a light, maybe a lense, a driver, heat sink, fans, anything else?

 

[Mechmike]

Not really sure what you consider deep red, 640-680nm sounds ok?
Then Vero décor 3000K has only 8.5% more of such light than Vero 3000K 80CRI and 10% less than Vero 3000K 80CRI v2.
V18 size, watt for watt, absolute.
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And a detail.
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I'm not trying to say that some extra deep red is not beneficial. Vero décor just isn't a good choice to add it.

I totally agree with that. I was just trying to point out that there are not many whites that have enough deep red for my liking. I prefer to just add some deep red to supplement lower CRI whites with more punch rather than use high CRI emitters that have more deep red. High CRI is made for the human eye. Lower CRI = higher Lumens/watt.

 

[Mechmike]

Hey Mechmike - what sort of power are you using with the 660nm leds, compared to the total power of your cobs? Could you recomend a small 660nm chip, i'm interested in dense nugs

About 8% of my total wattage for my flowering area is deep red. I have everything switched so I can choose when to deploy the deep red. I run them at ~650ma. I am using Luxeon Es deep reds from Stevesleds.com but only because the Cree XPE Photo red wasn't available when I bought mine. They're comparable but the XPE is a bit better in terms of efficiency. I should mention that in Europe the Osram Golden Dragon deep reds are more easily found than in the West and they are very highly regarded as well.

 

[UKpeanuts]

Thank you,

 

[SomeGuy]

ordered 10 vero10 5000k, two drivers (5 on each), two 36" x2" heatsinks and some 50mm fans and 9v supplies. Time to rock out some veg lights! woot.

Driving them at just under 300ma. Should get good efficiency that way.

building two fixtures one for each level of veg.

 

[stardustsailor]

Good news for you.
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This is from a Vero application note. It's V18 but the same applies to V29 using only 2 screws I suppose.

Cheers

 

[AquariusPanta]

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Cheers

That picture of the flex is bad imo, simply they could have taken a better shot or taken another one to go along with it. I can't figure out why the other side doesn't flex to the same degree. Maybe I'm looking at it backwards.

 

[stardustsailor]

That picture of the flex is bad imo, simply they could have taken a better shot or taken another one to go along with it. I can't figure out why the other side doesn't flex to the same degree. Maybe I'm looking at it backwards.

It's a photo of the "profile" ..
You can't see the other "side" ...
What you see is the profile of a flexed-bend array and it's reflectance to the surface of a mirror polished heatsink .
Array plastic case - and not the actual COB ,which is made from aluminium*** - bends upwards .
The other side,most likely, is same as flexed as the one shown ..


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[AquariusPanta]

It's a photo of the "profile" ..
You can't see the other "side" ...
What you see is the profile of a flexed-bend array and it's reflectance to the surface of a mirror polished heatsink .
Array plastic case - and not the actual COB ,which is made from aluminium*** - bends upwards .
The other side,most likely, is same as flexed as the one shown ..


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I've taken better pictures with my eyes closed .