SoG vs ScrOG?

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Dr. Neb

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I think a SoG has a lot more capability yield wise. But you really have to cram a space to do so. For example lets say u can do a sog set up with only 3.5 ft of vertical height. If you want to maximise yield you throw another SoG right on top of your other one to use up that full 7 Ft of vertical height
 
rob333

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Trippyness said:
My main question is
Screen of Green Vs ScrOG?

I have herd that SoG is the way to go in terms of veilds if you have enough plants?

Any truth behind this?

Would appriciate someone who has done both
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if u wanted to go sog i have seen many people do it with clones in a eebflow system in one tray i have seen about 30 -40 clones they dont get big but yeild ok about and 2ounces per plant but once u have it running well man things will boom. i have seen a few sog done and the ebb looks like the straight up one to do it in ;)
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Trippyness said:
My main question is
Screen of Green Vs ScrOG?

I have herd that SoG is the way to go in terms of veilds if you have enough plants?

Any truth behind this?

Would appriciate someone who has done both
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The more plants you have the higher your yield will be. The longer your jail time too.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Capt. Trips said:
I think it depends on what you want to do. You could probably get similar yields with less plants in a scrog, but you'd have to veg for a lot longer. Your turnaround time with sog would be faster as you wouldn't need to veg for long, but you'll need more plants. I think it comes down to personal preference. Do you want to do lots of plants with short veg or a few plants with longer veg?
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You won't get more yield with a scrog vs a comparably decently done SOG. Either at the time of harvest or taking veg time into account.
 
Trippyness

Trippyness

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Dr. Neb said:
I think a SoG has a lot more capability yield wise. But you really have to cram a space to do so. For example lets say u can do a sog set up with only 3.5 ft of vertical height. If you want to maximise yield you throw another SoG right on top of your other one to use up that full 7 Ft of vertical height
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Makes perfect sense. Thanks
 
Trippyness

Trippyness

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OGEvilgenius said:
You won't get more yield with a scrog vs a comparably decently done SOG. Either at the time of harvest or taking veg time into account.
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This was my impression as more light will penetrate more plants and create large colas instead of loosing light to small buds with a scrog grow regardless.
 
Trippyness

Trippyness

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rob333 said:
if u wanted to go sog i have seen many people do it with clones in a eebflow system in one tray i have seen about 30 -40 clones they dont get big but yeild ok about and 2ounces per plant but once u have it running well man things will boom. i have seen a few sog done and the ebb looks like the straight up one to do it in ;)
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Yeah this finalizes my theory on SoG
 
kiwipaulie

kiwipaulie

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For me sog is out of the question. If I get caught then scrogging a few plants is going to get me in less trouble. If I went sog, ifs end up doing community service or time
 
NanoGadget

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Well in my case I would say that my watts/sq ft is probably kind of over kill. It just happens that I have a fairly powerful light in a small space. As stated above, 40 to 60 is a good range. My light is 440 watts (320 actual) and it is recommended for a 3x3 foot space for flowing. I run my light in a 2x2x5 simply because that is what I have available right now. find out what the actual wattage of your lights are and divide that by your square feet... If you're under 40 you may need to scale back your grow or get more light.
 
NanoGadget

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Oh yeah, and just because I'm crazy I run two 2 ft t5 florescents as supplimentary side lighting. My lumens are retarded high in that little tent. Haha.
 
Trippyness

Trippyness

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NanoGadget said:
Well in my case I would say that my watts/sq ft is probably kind of over kill. It just happens that I have a fairly powerful light in a small space. As stated above, 40 to 60 is a good range. My light is 440 watts (320 actual) and it is recommended for a 3x3 foot space for flowing. I run my light in a 2x2x5 simply because that is what I have available right now. find out what the actual wattage of your lights are and divide that by your square feet... If you're under 40 you may need to scale back your grow or get more light.
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tent size is (6.5x4.66x7 f) I. I wont be using the entire tent, but ill need to upgrade at some point. May need to get a 750 watter or larger
 
panhead

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Trippyness said:
Seems like SoG is for me. This was my general answer :) Thanks. Id much prefer a pretrial grow of little veg and big colas rather than ScrOG with longer Veg. You seen any good guides on SoG been a bit difficult to find any well written ones.
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What do you need to know about doing a sog grow ?

I ran eight 4 x 8 flood tables sog for 5 yrs & am pretty well versed in all aspects of sea of green , i can give you some tips right off the bat , clone selection is paramount .

You want cuttings that are 6 to 8 inches high with atleast 6 node sites & no side branching ,after the clones are well rooted put them in net pots 5 inches to 8 inches & use hydroton or whatever rock type medium you chose , net pot size is important to add stability where you dont have to tie massive colas up after a month , i use the 5 inch pots & a mix of hydraton & gro rocks .

Veg time will not help yeilds it'll only fuk up the clone , if you use the big cuttings with 6 to 8 nodes you want zero veg time , if grown properly & rez temps stay at or below 65 degrees harvest will be in 8 weeks & you can expect yeilds of 2 to 4 ounces per plant , i get right around 1.5 grams per watt every 7.5 to 8 weeks .

For a plant per sq ft ratio i load 4 ft x 8 ft tables with 50 cuttings , when finished the plants have about a half inch to 2 inches between them , dont get greedy & overload the table as air flow thru a canopy of tightly packed colas is crucial , i have a box fan blowing fresh air thru the canopy at all times , bud rott & powdery mildew will take over a sea of green in a matter of days if it dont have proper air circulation .

Ive found that 600 watt hps work best for sog with big 3 x 3 reflectors , with 600's cooled right you can let the plants touch the glass with no burn , 1,000's are so hot after you raise them 12 inches away you get less light than with the 600's a half inch from the glass , i put all my 1,000's away after comparing one table of 600's against them .

Best results are achieved when all the plants go in at one time & come out at the same time vs staggered harvests , reasons being light height from full grown plants will cause stretching in freshly planted cuttings , if you must stagger harvests then keep ppm's low around the 700 range so you dont fry the new cuttings .

I prefer flood & drain over DWC ten fold with sog , i like the stability of the grow platform , i like having the rez free of root mass .

I just popped off a bunch of shit in random order off the top of my head which i consider the basics , if you have specific questions regarding sog methods fire away , its how ive grown the past 5 or 6 years after spending over 30 yrs growing soil .
 
THCbreeder

THCbreeder

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Legal with max of 49 plants do a sog . Now if you had space and lights I would just grow regularly . Divide all my rooms . Have 25 in flower 10-15 finishing every month , have my veg room with all replacements and a couple moms . Quick $ is sog .
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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I agree that proper clone selection is important for SOG. So is proper strain selection, although most any strain can yield pretty well in the setup and will always yield better than ScROG.
 
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Dr. Neb

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panhead said:
What do you need to know about doing a sog grow ?

I ran eight 4 x 8 flood tables sog for 5 yrs & am pretty well versed in all aspects of sea of green , i can give you some tips right off the bat , clone selection is paramount .

You want cuttings that are 6 to 8 inches high with atleast 6 node sites & no side branching ,after the clones are well rooted put them in net pots 5 inches to 8 inches & use hydroton or whatever rock type medium you chose , net pot size is important to add stability where you dont have to tie massive colas up after a month , i use the 5 inch pots & a mix of hydraton & gro rocks .

Veg time will not help yeilds it'll only fuk up the clone , if you use the big cuttings with 6 to 8 nodes you want zero veg time , if grown properly & rez temps stay at or below 65 degrees harvest will be in 8 weeks & you can expect yeilds of 2 to 4 ounces per plant , i get right around 1.5 grams per watt every 7.5 to 8 weeks .

For a plant per sq ft ratio i load 4 ft x 8 ft tables with 50 cuttings , when finished the plants have about a half inch to 2 inches between them , dont get greedy & overload the table as air flow thru a canopy of tightly packed colas is crucial , i have a box fan blowing fresh air thru the canopy at all times , bud rott & powdery mildew will take over a sea of green in a matter of days if it dont have proper air circulation .

Ive found that 600 watt hps work best for sog with big 3 x 3 reflectors , with 600's cooled right you can let the plants touch the glass with no burn , 1,000's are so hot after you raise them 12 inches away you get less light than with the 600's a half inch from the glass , i put all my 1,000's away after comparing one table of 600's against them .

Best results are achieved when all the plants go in at one time & come out at the same time vs staggered harvests , reasons being light height from full grown plants will cause stretching in freshly planted cuttings , if you must stagger harvests then keep ppm's low around the 700 range so you dont fry the new cuttings .

I prefer flood & drain over DWC ten fold with sog , i like the stability of the grow platform , i like having the rez free of root mass .

I just popped off a bunch of shit in random order off the top of my head which i consider the basics , if you have specific questions regarding sog methods fire away , its how ive grown the past 5 or 6 years after spending over 30 yrs growing soil .
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how much vertical height does your set up need?
 
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