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[Doer]

Well, being in the business I happen to know, Intel chips are bugged. They call it self reporting maintenance issues.....often to Big Brother Microsoft, not even Intel.

We have code to neuter it.

 

[Doer]

I spend a lot of years in Crypto also.

Yes, and Yes. Backdoors are so easy and so subtle even the lawyers don't have to know.

 

[earnest_voice]

Well, being in the business I happen to know, Intel chips are bugged. They call it self reporting maintenance issues.....often to Big Brother Microsoft, not even Intel.

We have code to neuter it.

That reporting software that can be turned off. The initial claim was there are 3g chips built into intel CPUs which was inaccurate.

 

[NoDrama]

Software back doors yes, hardware back doors are something else entirely and is not aimed at the consumer market. That's government and/or corporate espionage.

In relation to intel back doors - that is achieved via software not hardware and requires a internet gateway.

Sorry bub, guess you didn't read all of Snowden's revealing news.

Intel, Cisco, Dell, Apple..... all have given the NSA backdoors into your personal information. ALL OF IT!! Hardware and software manufacturers are not allowed to sell product without giving the NSA the keys to the kingdom first.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwald-nsa-tampers-us-internet-routers-snowden

 

[earnest_voice]

Sorry bub, guess you didn't read all of Snowden's revealing news.

Intel, Cisco, Dell, Apple..... all have given the NSA backdoors into your personal information. ALL OF IT!! Hardware and software manufacturers are not allowed to sell product without giving the NSA the keys to the kingdom first.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwald-nsa-tampers-us-internet-routers-snowden

Yeah I said software back doors, not hardware back doors via 3g chip embedded in the CPU or Chipset.

Secondly, your cite relates to Huawei tech which has been known to contain backdoors years ago - for chinese intelligence.

This is the paper that started the controversy in the first place. http://toucan-system.com/research/blackhat2012_brossard_hardware_backdooring.pdf

The author of the paper states the following here - http://www.eteknix.com/expert-says-nsa-have-backdoors-built-into-intel-and-amd-processors/

“The CPU microcode update mechanism is a documented feature which helps Intel and AMD fix CPU bugs. Even if this would be an interesting attack vector, you must break strong asymmetric cryptography before you get to push microcode updates to a CPU. The article from the Australian Financial Review is misleading, and doesn’t bring the slightest proof that Intel or AMD are sharing those cryptographic keys with [the] NSA. I do not personally think [the] NSA is backdooring Intel (or AMDs) CPUs.”

 

[NoDrama]

Secondly, your cite relates to Huawei tech which has been known to contain backdoors years ago - for chinese intelligence.

its all about the NSA putting hardware backdoors into Routers.

Routers are hardware FYI. I never mentioned 3g chips sets, you did, only you are arguing that point.

You should read more than just the first paragraph so you appear more informed and not ignorant and testy.

 

[NoDrama]

NSA documents reveal the agency is allegedly receiving or intercepting routers, servers, and other computer network devices to embed surveillance tools before international export.

http://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-reportedly-installing-spyware-on-us-made-hardware/

Keep telling us how the NSA doesn't mess with hardware. We have the proof.

http://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-reportedly-planted-spyware-on-electronics-equipment/

"The ANT department prefers targeting the BIOS, code on a chip on the motherboard that runs when the machine starts up. The spyware infiltration is largely invisible to other security programs and can persist if a machine is wiped and a new operating system is installed."

Is the BIOS chip hardware or software?

 

[earnest_voice]

its all about the NSA putting hardware backdoors into Routers.

Routers are hardware FYI. I never mentioned 3g chips sets, you did, only you are arguing that point.

You should read more than just the first paragraph so you appear more informed and not ignorant and testy.

I'm not disputing software back doors. Windows NT was outed years ago as containing code that could be externally compromised, via a push command from MS updates.

As anyone is yet to name brands (apart from the Chinese tech mentioned) or models i'm still very skeptical at hardware back doors aimed at the consumer markets.

 

[earnest_voice]

NSA documents reveal the agency is allegedly receiving or intercepting routers, servers, and other computer network devices to embed surveillance tools before international export.

http://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-reportedly-installing-spyware-on-us-made-hardware/

Keep telling us how the NSA doesn't mess with hardware. We have the proof.

http://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-reportedly-planted-spyware-on-electronics-equipment/

"The ANT department prefers targeting the BIOS, code on a chip on the motherboard that runs when the machine starts up. The spyware infiltration is largely invisible to other security programs and can persist if a machine is wiped and a new operating system is installed."

Is the BIOS chip hardware or software?

This report keeps mentioning US hardware but fails to name any. Bios is a combination of both but again it would involve software back door not hardware.

Use a debugger to explore your live OS code and tell me what you find... I bet it will be NOTHING.

 

[NoDrama]

This report keeps mentioning US hardware but fails to name any.

Really?
VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH:
"Based on internal NSA documents, Der Spiegel reveals that the spy agency planted backdoors to access computers, hard drives, routers, and other devices from companies such as Cisco, Dell, Western Digital, Seagate, Maxtor and Samsung."

You can do better than claiming ignorance.

 

[earnest_voice]

Really?
VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH:
"Based on internal NSA documents, Der Spiegel reveals that the spy agency planted backdoors to access computers, hard drives, routers, and other devices from companies such as Cisco, Dell, Western Digital, Seagate, Maxtor and Samsung."

You can do better than claiming ignorance.

My claim has been that this is NOT aimed at the consumer marker and physical hardware back doors are for government and corporate espionage. The everyday consumer does not constitute a profitable target in terms of target analysis.

You can prove it by transferring the contents of your RAM to another device and running a debug program on your OS code. Alternatively a packet sniffer to sniff out internet traffic.

I've yet to see proof of physical chips on motherboards as your article claims.

 

[ChesusRice]

You've moved the goal posts quite a bit. You went from claiming intel chips (CPU) contain a 3g embedded chip as a hardware backdoor when all that is claimed it that it is a software back door.

The article specifically mentions FreeBSD a server operating system you'd be lucky to find in consumer applications ie. the home.
We are talking about government/enterprise servers not desktop operating systems.

I did no such thing. Some tinfoil hat did that. Intel has been working with the NSA for the last 15 years along with asking for the master keys on all encryption products and ISPs

Here you go. Non tin foil hat
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2170701/data-center/nsa-backdoor-fears-creating-crisis-of-confidence-in-u-s--high-tech-products--services.html

 

[earnest_voice]

I did no such thing. Some tinfoil hat did that. Intel has been working with the NSA for the last 15 years along with asking for the master keys on all encryption products and ISPs

Here you go. Non tin foil hat
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2170701/data-center/nsa-backdoor-fears-creating-crisis-of-confidence-in-u-s--high-tech-products--services.html

Yeah you did. But being vague and generalised probably minimises the probablility of being wrong.

You think they are spending this much watching you? Get a life bro

 

[ChesusRice]

Yeah you did. But being vague and generalised probably minimises the probablility of being wrong.

You think they are spending this much watching you? Get a life bro

I dont think they are spending any time watching me. Again you assume, and jump to conclusions

 

[NoDrama]

My claim has been that this is NOT aimed at the consumer marker and physical hardware back doors are for government and corporate espionage. The everyday consumer does not constitute a profitable target in terms of target analysis.

You can prove it by transferring the contents of your RAM to another device and running a debug program on your OS code. Alternatively a packet sniffer to sniff out internet traffic.

I've yet to see proof of physical chips on motherboards as your article claims.

The NSA has every phone conversation you have had in the last 4 years recorded, all of your e-mails, all of your texts.....

This has nothing to do with corporate espionage, the US government sees its own citizens as the problem and is doing everything in its power to have us under surveillance.

Laptops aren't used by consumers right?

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/173721-the-nsa-regularly-intercepts-laptop-shipments-to-implant-malware-report-says

Oh and by the way the report you keep referring to is a report made by THE NSA!!!

The NSA is admitting it and you don't believe it, you must be BLIND!!

The articles are nothing more than editorials explaining what is in the NSA documents.

It is clear that you haven't read any of the articles as the proof must just be too goddamned hard for you to swallow, ignorance is bliss.

 

[NoDrama]

I dont think they are spending any time watching me. Again you assume, and jump to conclusions

No person is watching you, the computers are, and they record everything you do online. If you visit certain websites then you get put on a list for extra scrutiny, if you then do other things on their risk list you might even get a real human beings attention. For example, visiting terror websites and then buying large amounts of guns and or gunpowder will probably get their attention.

They are watching EVERYONE.

 

[earnest_voice]

The NSA has every phone conversation you have had in the last 4 years recorded, all of your e-mails, all of your texts.....

This has nothing to do with corporate espionage, the US government sees its own citizens as the problem and is doing everything in its power to have us under surveillance.

Laptops aren't used by consumers right?

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/173721-the-nsa-regularly-intercepts-laptop-shipments-to-implant-malware-report-says

Oh and by the way the report you keep referring to is a report made by THE NSA!!!

The NSA is admitting it and you don't believe it, you must be BLIND!!

The articles are nothing more than editorials explaining what is in the NSA documents.

It is clear that you haven't read any of the articles as the proof must just be too goddamned hard for you to swallow, ignorance is bliss.

Malware/Software back doors are a stock standard. The articles you've linked to consistently reference the NSA' TAO unit. Professionals of this calibre watching/following the average citizen in preposterous without just cause, not because of any civil liberties concerns but purely a monetary one. Cheaper and easier ways to get information - see facebook/google/hotmail. Now there's an example of a massive deployment of open source intelligence gathering.

 

[NoDrama]

Malware/Software back doors are a stock standard. The articles you've linked to consistently reference the NSA' TAO unit. Professionals of this calibre watching/following the average citizen in preposterous without just cause, not because of any civil liberties concerns but purely a monetary one. Cheaper and easier ways to get information - see facebook/google/hotmail. Now there's an example of a massive deployment of open source intelligence gathering.

I don't think you understand at all, PEOPLE do not watch you, the COMPUTERS do. Once you meet certain requirements the computers will notify the people and they will decide if you warrant "special attention".
Its all done with computers, not 4 guys sitting in a van out on the corner of your street.

They watch EVERYONE!! The NSA has confessed to these truths, why are you so unwilling to believe their confession?

Also, you should take some remedial reading comprehension classes so that you don't just gloss over the whole article ignoring all the things that don't agree with you and coming up with some sort of red herring to justify it all.

"One popular tool employed by the NSA on interdicted PCs is known as Cottonmouth. This is a physical device developed in 2009 that can be implanted in a USB port to give the NSA remote access to the target machine once it reaches its destination."

 

[ChesusRice]

Really?
VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH:
"Based on internal NSA documents, Der Spiegel reveals that the spy agency planted backdoors to access computers, hard drives, routers, and other devices from companies such as Cisco, Dell, Western Digital, Seagate, Maxtor and Samsung."

You can do better than claiming ignorance.

No person is watching you, the computers are, and they record everything you do online. If you visit certain websites then you get put on a list for extra scrutiny, if you then do other things on their risk list you might even get a real human beings attention. For example, visiting terror websites and then buying large amounts of guns and or gunpowder will probably get their attention.

They are watching EVERYONE.

As I said. No one is watching me. Another reason I don't talk about or grow weed

 

[earnest_voice]

I don't think you understand at all, PEOPLE do not watch you, the COMPUTERS do. Once you meet certain requirements the computers will notify the people and they will decide if you warrant "special attention".
Its all done with computers, not 4 guys sitting in a van out on the corner of your street.

They watch EVERYONE!! The NSA has confessed to these truths, why are you so unwilling to believe their confession?

Also, you should take some remedial reading comprehension classes so that you don't just gloss over the whole article ignoring all the things that don't agree with you and coming up with some sort of red herring to justify it all.

"One popular tool employed by the NSA on interdicted PCs is known as Cottonmouth. This is a physical device developed in 2009 that can be implanted in a USB port to give the NSA remote access to the target machine once it reaches its destination."

I'm very aware it's computer programs that collect mass data and i'm not disputing the bredth and depth of mass data collection. The physical devices you keep listing are not used to target the general public. I'm telling you the cost of implementation on a mass scale ie. consumer electronics released to the public is not economically feasable. You just mentioned Cottonmouth-II, they cost around $20K per unit. This not deployed as part of a mass surveillance op, but rather a target centric op. Don't buy into all the snowden garbage, the guy is a trained liar.