mexiblunt
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Is that in the world? or just one country? I'm in canada and I've lost two friends in three years, pills, hanging.
Suicide
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sarah22
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oh boy...i wish i had found this thread sooner. Now, i am typically a very warm hearted fun loving person who is nice to everyone. BUT...i absolutely cannot stand people who have big opinions about subjects like this...but NO FUCKING KNOWLEDGE. If you have never been in the position to want to kill yourself, u have no idea what its like. HOW DARE YOU say that its taking the easy way out. HOW DARE YOU call us weak and cowards. HOW DARE YOU say that we should just learn to deal with it. I have had a constant battle with suicidal thoughts and behaviours. Im a borderline psychotic and when Im in the middle of an episode...theres no thinking. no choice to be made. its pure reaction and pure instinct. I dont even remember my episodes once I get back to a more normal way of thinking. If you had to suffer day in and day out feeling numb, and empty inside, like no one cared about you, like you have no future that ur a waste of space, it would cross your mind too. I have wanted to kill myself not because I so badly want a way out...I have wanted to do it because I dont want to be a burden on my family anymore. I want them to be able to live normal lives without having to worry constantly about me, and without having to deal with my episodes. It is purely to help make their lives easier. Its the furthest thing from selfish. I cant believe that some people can be so bloody ignorant. but not to worry. people like you dont make me want to kill myself even more than before. not at all. people like you throw me into blood lust. u make me wanna live the life of a serial killer. but as for the original question...i believe that people who die via suicide would become ghosts. because typically they have unfinished business. especially if its a very sudden suicide that wasnt necessarily planned out...but either way...ur not thinking right and u will forget important things. so becoming a ghost is my theory.
jollygreengiant8
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US statistics from 2001. sorry for your losses.
Lacy
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Oh my goodness sarah hon.
Their vibrations are just not high enough because they lost the connection to everything and everyone.
We are all connected to each other whether we choose to believe this or not. When you think of water H20...its hydrogen and water......2 gases....... but yet we see it as liquid.
Because we have egos we see ourselves as separate. The more ego we choose to use, which only causes fear, the more separate we will feel in our lives. The more we use our spirit or soul, they more connected we become. We actually raise our vibrations to a higher level.
Sarah. you are a wonderful person with such courage.
Gosh I culd truly hug you for real right now.
Gosh , that was extremely moving....I can;t see my screen.
I am not too sure about this. I think the people that die suddenly and don;'t understand that they are dead, don't find their way.oh boy...i wish i had found this thread sooner. Now, i am typically a very warm hearted fun loving person who is nice to everyone. BUT...i absolutely cannot stand people who have big opinions about subjects like this...but NO FUCKING KNOWLEDGE. If you have never been in the position to want to kill yourself, u have no idea what its like. HOW DARE YOU say that its taking the easy way out. HOW DARE YOU call us weak and cowards. HOW DARE YOU say that we should just learn to deal with it. I have had a constant battle with suicidal thoughts and behaviours. Im a borderline psychotic and when Im in the middle of an episode...theres no thinking. no choice to be made. its pure reaction and pure instinct. I dont even remember my episodes once I get back to a more normal way of thinking. If you had to suffer day in and day out feeling numb, and empty inside, like no one cared about you, like you have no future that ur a waste of space, it would cross your mind too. I have wanted to kill myself not because I so badly want a way out...I have wanted to do it because I dont want to be a burden on my family anymore.People don't get this sarah. If these people could only spend a day in the lives of someone with mental disorders, they would think differently.
I wasn;t gonna come back to this thread because it is so dark and erry but I just can't stay away from reading the different viewpoints.People are just ignorant sarah.
They do not understand and what people do not understand....they fear.
It is human nature to do so. We can;t really get angry with them because it is just out of ignorance.
Its like getting angry at your kid for not comprehending something that they don';t have the ability to comprehend.
Their vibrations are just not high enough because they lost the connection to everything and everyone.
We are all connected to each other whether we choose to believe this or not. When you think of water H20...its hydrogen and water......2 gases....... but yet we see it as liquid.
Because we have egos we see ourselves as separate. The more ego we choose to use, which only causes fear, the more separate we will feel in our lives. The more we use our spirit or soul, they more connected we become. We actually raise our vibrations to a higher level.
Sarah. you are a wonderful person with such courage.
Gosh I culd truly hug you for real right now.
Gosh , that was extremely moving....I can;t see my screen.
sarah22
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awww thanks lacy. i just figure...its better to put it all out there in the hopes that people will have some insight as to what the mentally ill go thru on a day to day basis. i didnt really mean to get so worked up...it just really pisses me off...thats all...its a sensitive subject. but hopefully it will make someone stop and think...gee...what it must be like to live in their shoes...not everyone is given the natural gift of empathy...but im positive that it can be learned...all one has to do is try...
sarah22
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oh...and yes i can get angry...because they're making judgments. i dont automatically assume that an overweight person is big because they eat to much. i dont make judgments until i know the whole story. but then again...im a natural empath. hmm, i have an idea!! free empathy lessons! i will do my best to explain and teach empathy to anyone whos interested!
Lacy
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The thing is sarah, the only way people understand something like this is if they have someone who is very close to them, suffering from the same type of thing, OR they plummet into the black hole themselves and discover what it feels like.
I used to wish these ignorant people would plummet into a deep depression so that they can know what it feels like but
wtf.....I wouldn't wish THAT kind of PAIN on anyone. Its brutal.
Now I try and look at it from a more compassionate viewpoint being that most people just don't understand from pure ignorance.
Thats not a bad person. Just inexperienced and/or uneducated.
I just don't like to think that if people really understood the pain.....they would not talk this way.
awww thanks lacy. i just figure...its better to put it all out there in the hopes that people will have some insight as to what the mentally ill go thru on a day to day basis. i didnt really mean to get so worked up...it just really pisses me off...thats all...its a sensitive subjectHey girl. I am the same poage as you wif this one.
I am surprised at how little some people can empathize . I am a very deep person and have so much empathy that I am only just realizing that not ALL people have such deep feelings as we tend to.
. but hopefully it will make someone stop and think...gee...what it must be like to live in their shoes...not everyone is given the natural gift of empathy...but im positive that it can be learned...all one has to do is try...
This is one subject that eats me up also sarah. I used to rack my brain trying to understand why others didn't understand but it just isn't worth it. When you end up trying to expain something so passionately, people tend to just zone out. I totally despise being judged ESPECIALLY about my mental disorders.
The thing is sarah, the only way people understand something like this is if they have someone who is very close to them, suffering from the same type of thing, OR they plummet into the black hole themselves and discover what it feels like.
I used to wish these ignorant people would plummet into a deep depression so that they can know what it feels like but
wtf.....I wouldn't wish THAT kind of PAIN on anyone. Its brutal.
Now I try and look at it from a more compassionate viewpoint being that most people just don't understand from pure ignorance.
Thats not a bad person. Just inexperienced and/or uneducated.
I just don't like to think that if people really understood the pain.....they would not talk this way.
txhomegrown
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I dont think it is my place to tell anyone whethere it is right or wrong to take their own life. It is a very personal descision and if that person feels that they cant hang on another day and wade through the shit with the rest of us, all I can say is happy trails. Just dont take anybody with you that doesnt want to go. As far as how to do it, a gun is NOT the way. Too many people flinch at the last moment and just end up as a vegetable that will live a long life having to be taken care of by someone else. Hanging doesnt seem like a quick and easy way to go either. If you have to do it, score a shitload of opiates and OD. At least you cop a real good buzz on the way out. I tried to Od on beef jerky and beer one time but it didnt work So I am still here. Aint life grand?
i know what is in store for their friends family and loved ones ,it can destroy them ,they think they are somehow to blame ,and what if ??? they had done this or that to help.
I am a single dad ,mainly because the mother is a fuckwit who tried several times ,i think for attention ,do you have any idea what that does to the kids, my girlfriends husband did kill himself ,no attention seeking there just did a proper job ,no turning back ,it really fucked his kids up ,and even several years after they have massive issues.
I also used to work in an i.c.u and have seen many who have tried ,and the effect on the familys ,ever see someone who has drank weedkiller , and instead of being dead they are in i.c.u with massive organ failure ,and family who are either fucking angry or sad ,or both , so any one who thinks about it DONT.
EarthlyPassions
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I was suicidal around 6th grade, I was struggling at school and I felt like I was giving my parents more trouble than I was worth. I just hated seeing my mom so upset and angry all the time, (later I found out she had just quit smoking cigarettes, and was taking diet pills to keep from gaining weight, bad mix!). She really wasn't herself at the time, but she got better (years later) after she stopped taking the diet drugs. I blamed myself though, and she told me as much.
I got up on our roof a few times, but I was held back by the fear that my mom would be embarrassed if the neighbors saw my body (and upset that she had to clean up the mess). Then I found out that if you took enough Tylenol's you could die. I had everything set up, I cleaned my room and did the dishes, was nice to my brother, but when I went to school that day (I went to a private Christian school) we were told that people who commit suicide go to hell.
Well, that cleared up any thoughts of suicide. I didn't care how much trouble I caused my parents. They could suffer till I moved out. (Cue rebellious phase.) No way would I go to hell for eternity because my teachers were pissed that I read unrelated books in class and forgot my homework.
I think people who are dieing of disease, like inoperable cancer, or irreversible dementia or the later stages of AIDS, should be allowed to die if they wish. The slow, agonizing deaths those sort of things cause shouldn't be forced on people.
I also think that people who want to die because of personal reasons should be allowed to as well. Had it not been for my Christian beliefs I most certainly would have chosen to die, rather than suffer through years of neglect and physical abuse. Had I not learned that I would have gone to hell for it, I don't think I would have. It doesn't make sense to me that God would punish an eleven year old for something she didn't know.
I think that extends to other people as well, if you don't know God, or if you believe something different, whatever you believe will happen to you happens. And if you don't believe in anything, you get recycled, sent back to Earth in a new body to try again.
I have to say that I'm glad I didn't go. Life, in general, is hard, but worthwhile if you play your cards right. By struggling through the tough stuff, I feel like my life has earned value, the good times are sweeter. And when the hard times come again, I know that if I work hard and stick through it life can be easy again too.
I got up on our roof a few times, but I was held back by the fear that my mom would be embarrassed if the neighbors saw my body (and upset that she had to clean up the mess). Then I found out that if you took enough Tylenol's you could die. I had everything set up, I cleaned my room and did the dishes, was nice to my brother, but when I went to school that day (I went to a private Christian school) we were told that people who commit suicide go to hell.
Well, that cleared up any thoughts of suicide. I didn't care how much trouble I caused my parents. They could suffer till I moved out. (Cue rebellious phase.) No way would I go to hell for eternity because my teachers were pissed that I read unrelated books in class and forgot my homework.
I think people who are dieing of disease, like inoperable cancer, or irreversible dementia or the later stages of AIDS, should be allowed to die if they wish. The slow, agonizing deaths those sort of things cause shouldn't be forced on people.
I also think that people who want to die because of personal reasons should be allowed to as well. Had it not been for my Christian beliefs I most certainly would have chosen to die, rather than suffer through years of neglect and physical abuse. Had I not learned that I would have gone to hell for it, I don't think I would have. It doesn't make sense to me that God would punish an eleven year old for something she didn't know.
I think that extends to other people as well, if you don't know God, or if you believe something different, whatever you believe will happen to you happens. And if you don't believe in anything, you get recycled, sent back to Earth in a new body to try again.
I have to say that I'm glad I didn't go. Life, in general, is hard, but worthwhile if you play your cards right. By struggling through the tough stuff, I feel like my life has earned value, the good times are sweeter. And when the hard times come again, I know that if I work hard and stick through it life can be easy again too.
berbonber
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Suicide in my opinion (I have been on the verge of it myself so dont go shooting this next bit down) is incredibly selfish, the person killing themselves is only thinking of their own pain and not of the pain and the horrible unanswered questions their unexpected death leaves behind for friends and family members. In a lot of cases the persons who has commited suicide will not be the only one to die from the event, by this i mean that the suicide is often enough for others to give up hope in life and although they may not die physically emotionally they may be completely crushed or overwhelmed with guilt. If you ever feel like getting rid of yourself please, please think of the knock on effect you could have and try to struggle through it, some peoples tunnels may be longer but there is always light at the end.
sarah22
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it would be nice if i could think about those things when im suicidal. had an attempt last week. theres no thinking involved at all...all u can think about is the death...and how bad u want it...nothing else matters. i usually dont even remember my episodes...i only know they happened because i have physical evidence. to refer to a suicidal person as "selfish" is really inaccurate. sorry. psychotic? maybe...selfish?...uh...no. not even close.
Johnnyorganic
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The label of suicide as cowardly or selfish is extremely subjective.
I am perfectly comfortable with assisted suicide, provided there are is a vigilant vetting process.
Suicide has touched my life.
One of my oldest and dearest friends came home from high school to find his father's brains all over the garage wall.
In the second case, it was an attempted suicide. Another old friend. He tried to asphyxiate himself by carbon monoxide. It's a miracle he survived. In a very large way, he didn't. His decision to kill himself and subsequent action, really did kill him. That was in 2001, now he's a walking corpse. Completely defeated. If he can get a job, he can't keep it. He says he's unemployable. He's afraid to go out in public. He is very content in his self-imposed isolation. He won't even answer the door unless he knows to expect you.
I am perfectly comfortable with assisted suicide, provided there are is a vigilant vetting process.
Suicide has touched my life.
One of my oldest and dearest friends came home from high school to find his father's brains all over the garage wall.
In the second case, it was an attempted suicide. Another old friend. He tried to asphyxiate himself by carbon monoxide. It's a miracle he survived. In a very large way, he didn't. His decision to kill himself and subsequent action, really did kill him. That was in 2001, now he's a walking corpse. Completely defeated. If he can get a job, he can't keep it. He says he's unemployable. He's afraid to go out in public. He is very content in his self-imposed isolation. He won't even answer the door unless he knows to expect you.
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Stoney McFried
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In the documentary white light, black rain, A woman who had lived through the Hiroshima or Nagasaki blast talked about her sister throwing herself in front of a train. She explained it very well. Some people have the courage to live, and some have the courage to die.
EarthlyPassions
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I think that's exactly the way to put it. The context of one's life certainly makes all the difference. But since the majority of the population sees death as such an abomination, it's hard for them to understand how it could ever seem like the better option.
I always wonder about people who commit suicide to avoid some sort of unspeakable suffering. Like spys who have a cyanide tooth, just in case they get caught. What happens to them when they die? Do they go to hell for the suicide, or do they get a pass because anyone would choose a painless death over being tortured to death?
tampicos
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you are 5 foot something, the earth is probably millions of times bigger and the sun is thousands times bigger than the earth. a red giant makes the sun seem like a dot on a wall. feel insignificant enough? whats funny though is that if you leave this world because you feel insignificant, what happens to that person who lived up the street who always had a crush on you and was never able to tell you it? or those who you might have said but a single word to and changed their path in life? it doesn't matter how insignificant you feel because as humans we don't know our own significance. live, cherish and enjoy.
Stoney McFried
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Then the person up the street shoulda said something.If you are meant to die, you WILL die, and nothing on earth can stop it.If you are meant to live, nothing will stop that.Sometimes WE are the instruments of karma and destiny,and the way foreward is thwarted if we don't follow it through.
you are 5 foot something, the earth is probably millions of times bigger and the sun is thousands times bigger than the earth. a red giant makes the sun seem like a dot on a wall. feel insignificant enough? whats funny though is that if you leave this world because you feel insignificant, what happens to that person who lived up the street who always had a crush on you and was never able to tell you it? or those who you might have said but a single word to and changed their path in life? it doesn't matter how insignificant you feel because as humans we don't know our own significance. live, cherish and enjoy.