zimmerman juror: "he got away with murder"

UncleBuck said:

OMFG there are no words for the hypocrisy in this post.the jurors of the OJ case also believed him to be guilty, but said the state did not meet its burden. exact same story in the zimmerman case.how do you suppose black people felt watching the celebratory reactions of asshats like desert dud to this travesty?you don't suppose that the precedent of shooting innocent black kids and getting away with it might set back race relations a tad as well, sweetheart?what a fucking post. just disgusting.

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No where in my post was there hypocrisy - just an alternative viewpoint from your own. I realize the two can be confusing at times.

A few hillbilly dickheads celebrating Zimmerman verdict is not even in the same category as 95%+ of black folks jumping up and down in the streets. Different fucking universes.

OJ stabbed and cut the throats of two people - premeditated and arranged his flight in advance. Zimmerman - reckless, stupid, racist or whatever you want to consider it to be was not premeditated. No one should be celebrating either - but my god what type of person cheers for a cold blooded murderer.

Julius Caesar said:

A few hillbilly dickheads celebrating Zimmerman verdict is not even in the same category as 95%+ of black folks jumping up and down in the streets. Different fucking universes.

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of course the reactions to these verdicts are in two different universes.

i'd have to be in another universe in order for 'to kill a mockingbird' to make any sense had the race roles been reversed.

and i'm not sure if you can confine the celebration to "a few hillbilly dickheads". dickheads from all over the spectrum are showing their joy, and even relishing in the opportunity to rub it in (can't really blame them for that much though).*

Julius Caesar said:

OJ stabbed and cut the throats of two people - premeditated and arranged his flight in advance. Zimmerman - reckless, stupid, racist or whatever you want to consider it to be was not premeditated. No one should be celebrating either - but my god what type of person cheers for a cold blooded murderer.

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they were both horrific crimes, and illustrate the need for looking at motive and intent, which is what separates a murder 1 from a murder 2 from a manslaughter from a hate crime from a justifiable homicide and so on.

both juries basically said the same thing. they felt the person was guilty, but had to judge based upon the law and beyond all reasonable doubt. the state didn't make its case either time.

i can only hope zimm goes the way of OJ and goes down for something later on. he seems like a fucking punk. that asshole is always getting away with shit. shooting black kids, beating women, chasing down motorists, assaulting cops...that asshole always gets away with it. fucking punk.

UncleBuck said:

"We had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence."

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Well, that was a mouthful eh?

UncleBuck said:

OMFG there are no words for the hypocrisy in this post.the jurors of the OJ case also believed him to be guilty, but said the state did not meet its burden. exact same story in the zimmerman case.how do you suppose black people felt watching the celebratory reactions of asshats like desert dud to this travesty?you don't suppose that the precedent of shooting innocent black kids and getting away with it might set back race relations a tad as well, sweetheart?what a fucking post. just disgusting.

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The Zimmerman trial was quite a bit different than the OJ trial.

Zimmerman was acquitted because he killed Martin in self defense. Zimmerman never claimed he did not shoot and kill Martin, he owned up to killing Martin from the first moment. The prosecutors had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense and they failed to do so. Zimmerman's killing of Martin was justifiable homicide. Martin was not murdered, instead he died because of his own bad acts.

OJ, on the other hand, said he had no hand in killing his wife and Goldman. OJ's wife and Goldman were murdered, nobody disputes that. The prosecutors failed to convince the jury that OJ murdered them, but they were indeed murdered, unlike Martin. Many believe OJ was guilty of those murders, myself included, but he was acquitted; case closed.

Both of these cases have driven a wedge between the races in the US. One case never should have gone to trial.

desert dude said:

The Zimmerman trial was quite a bit different than the OJ trial.

Zimmerman was acquitted because he killed Martin in self defense. Zimmerman never claimed he did not shoot and kill Martin, he owned up to killing Martin from the first moment. The prosecutors had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense and they failed to do so.

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+rep good sir!

Hey lefties, you have been duped by your media sources regarding Zimmerman.

Everybody with any interest in the Zimmerman case ought to read the entire article.

http://reason.com/archives/2013/07/27/zimmerman-backlash-continues-thanks-to-m

This narrative has transformed Zimmerman, a man of racially mixed heritage that included white, Hispanic and black roots (a grandmother who helped raise him had an Afro-Peruvian father), into an honorary white male steeped in white privilege. It has cast him as a virulent racist even though he once had a black business partner, mentored African-American kids, lived in a neighborhood about 20 percent black, and participated in complaints about a white police lieutenant’s son getting away with beating a homeless black man.


This narrative has perpetuated the lie that Zimmerman’s history of calls to the police indicates obsessive racial paranoia. Thus, discussing the verdict on the PBS NewsHour, University of Connecticut professor and New Yorker contributor Jelani Cobb asserted that “Zimmerman had called the police 46 times in previous six years, only for African-Americans, only for African-American men.” Actually, prior to the call about Martin, only four of Zimmerman’s calls had to do with African-American men or teenage boys (and two of them were about individuals who Zimmerman thought matched the specific description of burglary suspects). Five involved complaints about whites, and one about two Hispanics and a white male; others were about such issues as a fire alarm going off, a reckless driver of unknown race, or an aggressive dog.


In this narrative, even Zimmerman’s concern for a black child—a 2011 call to report a young African-American boy walking unsupervised on a busy street, on which the police record notes, “compl[ainant] concerned for well-being”—has been twisted into crazed racism. Writing on the website of The New Republic, Stanford University law professor Richard Thompson Ford describes Zimmerman as “an edgy basket case” who called 911 about “the suspicious activities of a seven year old black boy.” This slander turns up in other left-of-center sources, such as ThinkProgress.org.

GZ was acquitted because prosecution was weak and the two jurors who have come forward, appear to have been confused on instruction and interpretation.

As MY attorney says..it's six people with a Florida Driver's License.

desert dude said:

Hey lefties, you have been duped by your media sources regarding Zimmerman.

Everybody with any interest in the Zimmerman case ought to read the entire article.

http://reason.com/archives/2013/07/27/zimmerman-backlash-continues-thanks-to-m

This narrative has transformed Zimmerman, a man of racially mixed heritage that included white, Hispanic and black roots (a grandmother who helped raise him had an Afro-Peruvian father), into an honorary white male steeped in white privilege. It has cast him as a virulent racist even though he once had a black business partner, mentored African-American kids, lived in a neighborhood about 20 percent black, and participated in complaints about a white police lieutenant’s son getting away with beating a homeless black man.


This narrative has perpetuated the lie that Zimmerman’s history of calls to the police indicates obsessive racial paranoia. Thus, discussing the verdict on the PBS NewsHour, University of Connecticut professor and New Yorker contributor Jelani Cobb asserted that “Zimmerman had called the police 46 times in previous six years, only for African-Americans, only for African-American men.” Actually, prior to the call about Martin, only four of Zimmerman’s calls had to do with African-American men or teenage boys (and two of them were about individuals who Zimmerman thought matched the specific description of burglary suspects). Five involved complaints about whites, and one about two Hispanics and a white male; others were about such issues as a fire alarm going off, a reckless driver of unknown race, or an aggressive dog.


In this narrative, even Zimmerman’s concern for a black child—a 2011 call to report a young African-American boy walking unsupervised on a busy street, on which the police record notes, “compl[ainant] concerned for well-being”—has been twisted into crazed racism. Writing on the website of The New Republic, Stanford University law professor Richard Thompson Ford describes Zimmerman as “an edgy basket case” who called 911 about “the suspicious activities of a seven year old black boy.” This slander turns up in other left-of-center sources, such as ThinkProgress.org.

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Hey DD..you've been doing too much blotter again haven't you?..silly boy!!

schuylaar said:

GZ was acquitted because prosecution was weak and the two jurors who have come forward, appear to have been confused on instruction and interpretation.

As MY attorney says..it's six people with a Florida Driver's License.

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True of all juries, except that in CA you have to be registered to vote to be summoned to jury duty.

Never the less, Zimmerman was innocent of wrong doing. When the prosecution can't convince a black-hispanic juror, Maddy, who "believes in her heart that Zimmerman was guilty of murder 2" you know that the case never should have gone to trial. The initial refusal by the cops and prosecutors to charge Zimmerman was the right course of action.

desert dude said:

Hey lefties, you have been duped by your media sources regarding Zimmerman.

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Yes indeed, quite a sorry spectacle.
Even after the verdict, it now appears that there is evidence to suggest that ABC doctored the video with the juror.
It was not enough that NBC pulled the same stunt with their deplorable editing of Z's phone call.

Disgusting.

desert dude said:

Hey lefties, you have been duped by your media sources regarding Zimmerman.

Everybody with any interest in the Zimmerman case ought to read the entire article.

http://reason.com/archives/2013/07/27/zimmerman-backlash-continues-thanks-to-m

This narrative has transformed Zimmerman, a man of racially mixed heritage that included white, Hispanic and black roots (a grandmother who helped raise him had an Afro-Peruvian father), into an honorary white male steeped in white privilege. It has cast him as a virulent racist even though he once had a black business partner, mentored African-American kids, lived in a neighborhood about 20 percent black, and participated in complaints about a white police lieutenant’s son getting away with beating a homeless black man.


This narrative has perpetuated the lie that Zimmerman’s history of calls to the police indicates obsessive racial paranoia. Thus, discussing the verdict on the PBS NewsHour, University of Connecticut professor and New Yorker contributor Jelani Cobb asserted that “Zimmerman had called the police 46 times in previous six years, only for African-Americans, only for African-American men.” Actually, prior to the call about Martin, only four of Zimmerman’s calls had to do with African-American men or teenage boys (and two of them were about individuals who Zimmerman thought matched the specific description of burglary suspects). Five involved complaints about whites, and one about two Hispanics and a white male; others were about such issues as a fire alarm going off, a reckless driver of unknown race, or an aggressive dog.


In this narrative, even Zimmerman’s concern for a black child—a 2011 call to report a young African-American boy walking unsupervised on a busy street, on which the police record notes, “compl[ainant] concerned for well-being”—has been twisted into crazed racism. Writing on the website of The New Republic, Stanford University law professor Richard Thompson Ford describes Zimmerman as “an edgy basket case” who called 911 about “the suspicious activities of a seven year old black boy.” This slander turns up in other left-of-center sources, such as ThinkProgress.org.

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Why even try? They aren't going to listen to facts now, their minds are made up. If they actually started listening to the facts, their cognitive dissonance would cause a synaptic episode.

You can't just ask people to leave their prejudices behind and listen to actual facts.

schuylaar said:

Hey DD..you've been doing too much blotter again haven't you?..silly boy!!

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DD did not write the piece.

NoDrama said:

You can't just ask people to leave their prejudices behind and listen to actual facts.

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Not anymore, 'cause we live in the information age...IMO, willful ignorance is worse than ever...go figure.

desert dude said:

The prosecutors had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense and they failed to do so. Zimmerman's killing of Martin was justifiable homicide. Martin was not murdered, instead he died because of his own bad acts.

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nope, not even close.

hence why the jurors, after 12 and a half hours, asked for instructions on manslaughter.

12 and a half hours of deliberation and they want to know about sending george away for 15 years.

that speaks to zimmy's bad acts that night, not martin's.

in the end, zimmy was lucky to get away by the skin of his teeth. they could have been 98% certain that zimmy murdered the kid because he wanted to. as long as the 2% alternative had some semblance of being reasonable, they had to acquit. that's all.

there's a reason why zimm's bitch ass will be in hiding and fear for the rest of his life, and it's not because he was an innocent little angel that night.

UncleBuck said:

nope, not even close.

hence why the jurors, after 12 and a half hours, asked for instructions on manslaughter.

12 and a half hours of deliberation and they want to know about sending george away for 15 years.

that speaks to zimmy's bad acts that night, not martin's.

in the end, zimmy was lucky to get away by the skin of his teeth. they could have been 98% certain that zimmy murdered the kid because he wanted to. as long as the 2% alternative had some semblance of being reasonable, they had to acquit. that's all.

there's a reason why zimm's bitch ass will be in hiding and fear for the rest of his life, and it's not because he was an innocent little angel that night.

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You're wrong, Buck.

The jurors wanted to convict Zimm; at least some did. But upon reading the clearly worded Florida laws, even the hyphenated (i.e. minority) juror agreed that he was not guilty under the current laws...

Blame the laws, but not the jurors...personally, I believe the laws are fine...Trayvon stood his ground, and so did Zimmerman...Zimmerman was prepared, and Trayvon wasn't...evolution in action...good riddance...

UncleBuck said:

martin was a child, you fucking moron.

i really hope some armed, medicated, cop wannabe vigilante finds your child to be suspicious one of these days. good riddance.

nothing like the tears of a sock pupet.

edit: i really like how you keep using that epithet as well, thinking that your racism will fly just under the radar by using it. anyone with a brain knows it is just your way of expressing your racist disgust though.

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Well Buck, my son IS a law enforcement official...

He deals with "Baby Trays" on a daily basis...gang member wannabes who cry when their forever-hanging Taurus auto-loaders are taken away from them by a professional who knows how to disarm young black thugs without having to actually hurt them...Zimmerman was not so well trained...he shot the little bastard instead of disarming him...

I hope you and your family are NEVER attacked by ANYONE...and you hope my son is killed...this speaks to your true character, my friend...

UncleBuck said:

martin was a child, you fucking moron.

i really hope some armed, medicated, cop wannabe vigilante finds your child to be suspicious one of these days. good riddance.

nothing like the tears of a sock pupet.

edit: i really like how you keep using that epithet as well, thinking that your racism will fly just under the radar by using it. anyone with a brain knows it is just your way of expressing your racist disgust though.

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Kids who take adult actions deserve adult consequences imo.

budlover13 said:

Kids who take adult actions deserve adult consequences imo.

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walking home with skittles and talking on the phone?

UncleBuck said:

she was one of three jurors who wanted zimm gone on manslaughter. zimmy's really lucky that florida law is as lenient as it is, he would have gone away for a long time in most other states in the union.

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She voted not guilty and now is getting heat for her decision, so she is trying to pretend different. What states don't have a self defense law? This is just another example of some dumbass letting peer pressure and "feelings" override a decision based on actual fact.