Zero veg. and yeild

So, I did my searching on this, and it has been a popular subject, but my question about clones going straight to flower (once rooted) still isnt answered..

most of the replies I've been viewing say ..more roots higher yeild etc.. etc..

If one were to look at athe mother plant and her clones as one plant (less 7-10 days for those shoots to bust out some roots)... would the yield be higher than if those shoots had remained on the mother plant?? + possibly less stress on the mother plant?

I'ma noob + trying to re-invent the wheel ...


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they will grow in to nice little plants nothing more...vegging out a plant is to give the plant a foundation to build buds...if the plant is small and starts to go into flower it will only be able to pull the resources its small root system can pull up it will try too grow as much bud as possible and I've seen this done a few time with limited success...whats 2 weeks to give the little plant a chance to grow into an average sized plant...but I don't know it's a good experiment for a grower I might try it to see what happens in my environment...but anyway just my 2 cents...good growing

Ok-yeah, what's two weeks... I suppose what I'm really considering is a shorter grow cycle.

this is my first grow, and I started from seed. My mom plants are 11 weeks old and healthy, but I had some trouble along the way with over, and under feeding, defficiencies etc. I got it down pretty good now, and things r starting to thrive again (knock on wood)...

I just realized that it is much harderr to sustain a larger plant, etc. my orig thought was to have tree sized plants, but now I have cloning down a little bit + everything... now I'm thinking in terms of #'s of healthy juviniles vs just a few tree size plants...

anyway, thanks for the reply, that was a level-headed response.

i haven't flowered out any clones without a veg period yet but i would take some things into consideration if your still learning mate
1 thing i would think about is that if you have any probs your low yeild will get even smaller 2 you will need larger numbers of plants to max your light foot print and thirdly you'll have more plants to water and look after.
the bonuses are if you lose a plant or 2 you will still have something at the end for your work, an even canopy providing all the clones are close to the same size, more top colas and less fluff from the bottom, if all your clones are from the same strain the water/feed will be consistent. these are some things to think about mate, if i were you and still learning i'd take a batch of clones from your mothers label them all and once they're rooted and you know 100% they have made it flower the mums off this will then give you plenty of time to veg your clones into new mums and also you can discard any non keepers as you go and only keep the best and hopefully all being well you could have your clone army ready to go into flower when your moms finish up

Thanks Dragon. ..what u said... I'm going to flower these mums.. my clones are all growing better than the mothers did. I'm getting thicker stalks + nice big proud leaves and whatnot.. so I must have stunted the mothers a bit. Wthrr I keep a mother on this next batch..idk. I'm thinking to raise the kids until they are big enough to give me two good clones each, then kick em into flower. need to consider degeneration or whatever going from clone to clone instead of keeping mothers, but idk much about that.. is jury still out on that one?

What amazes me are the differences in phenotype from mult seeds I had of same the strain. I have two plants from a batch of seeds that are ridiculous growers + the easiest to clone too. .... yeah this sht is cool. nvr thought this would turn into such n addictive hobby.

nothing happens when you keep taking a clone and flowering the original..you justbasically have the same plant over and over, nothing is lost in cloning.

I like the idea of flowering the mothers and keeping clones that will eventually become new mothers... its a good way to choose your best phenotype, its what I will be doing.

You said you think you stunted your mothers? Do you know if they can ever recover? I may have stunted mine but I'm not sure really. Once you stunt a mother plant do the clones taken from it also have stunted growth? that would suck lol

are you saying after the clones take root then your going to flower the clones and mother? and your wondering if you would get more bud from the clones and mother or just letting the mother veg the extra "2 weeks" (that the roots would of taken place in)

Some people like it...it really depends on if you want a lot of small plants ready fast or a few big plants that take longer...It is up to you..there is a really good 12/12 from seed thread here somewhere it keeps popping up...just watch out for it. Lots of pics and such.

I guess to answer the orginal question.... The idea is to hack apart a mother into as many clones as possible. Then root those and stick them in flower.... So taking 1 plant with 1 rootball and dividing it into 20 smaller plants with 20 rootballs. If you give each clone a decent amount of medium it could give a higher yeild. Also the light will be distributed more evenly which should help the yeild. With Zero veg though it might not be such a good idea. Basically your talking about sea of green but with zero veg time. If the roots grow fast enough it could work well but I think it would be better to just give it a couple weeks veg, not only will you get more roots but the plants will be out of the shock of cloning which will hinder growth for a period of time, then when you switch to 12/12 they will already be back in regular growth and should do quite nicely

Thedillestpickle said:

I like the idea of flowering the mothers and keeping clones that will eventually become new mothers... its a good way to choose your best phenotype, its what I will be doing.

You said you think you stunted your mothers? Do you know if they can ever recover? I may have stunted mine but I'm not sure really. Once you stunt a mother plant do the clones taken from it also have stunted growth? that would suck lol

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Ok, this is probably the first question I can answer frm experience. No.. the clones from a stunted mother show no sign of stunted growth... my clones are all showing more rapid growth, and thicker stalks than thr mums.. biggest difference is the stalks man.. im noticing this. a nice thick stalk seems to come from early in the veg... when they're juviniles.

Thedillestpickle said:

I guess to answer the orginal question.... The idea is to hack apart a mother into as many clones as possible. Then root those and stick them in flower.... So taking 1 plant with 1 rootball and dividing it into 20 smaller plants with 20 rootballs. If you give each clone a decent amount of medium it could give a higher yeild. Also the light will be distributed more evenly which should help the yeild. With Zero veg though it might not be such a good idea. Basically your talking about sea of green but with zero veg time.

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yes. and each clone is now a top, so the shoot, which is now a plant, now produces the hormone which makes it's topshoot dominant. (?)

Ok, what if you planted 'mothers' in troughs. + during whole vegitative growth, you snip'd every descent shoot she makes and stuck it in her trough... then flower when say, u fill up the trough.. save one or two clones.....

Mmm..right said:

Ok, what if you planted 'mothers' in troughs. + during whole vegitative growth, you snip'd every descent shoot she makes and stuck it in her trough... then flower when say, u fill up the trough.. save one or two clones.....

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why trough? whats all this talk about trough? haha, might not be a good idea because if your meaning by trough one medium for all the clones and the mother then you might have a problem with the mother having a deficiency and burn the clones in trying to fix it or vice versa...

If you take a whole bunch of clones from a mother and veg them and put them into flower you will get a much bigger yeild than just flowering the mother, assuming you do everything right. But whats all this about Zero Veg? that shouldnt be part of the plan

If you have 1 big female plant and your trying to figure out how to max your yeild from her you should consider either creating a bunch of clones from her and putting them through a few weeks veg and then flower them all together each in their own 3 liter pots and spaced at 1 plant per square foot. The other option is you could transplant that one mother into something really large like a 10 or 15 gallon tote and make a massive scrog(screen of green) from her. A SOG will most likely give you the best yield, but not with zero veg time.

Also I would recommend letting the mother plant develope until she has all of the clones you want to take from her ready at one time, that way you will have your clones vegged for the same amount of time, otherwise you will have some vegged longer than others and an uneven canopy. An uneven canopy means you have to raise your lights higher to accomodate the taller plants but the shorter plants are deprived of light to do this

Thedillestpickle said:

why trough? whats all this talk about trough? haha, might not be a good idea because if your meaning by trough one medium for all the clones and the mother then you might have a problem with the mother having a deficiency and burn the clones in trying to fix it or vice versa...

If you take a whole bunch of clones from a mother and veg them and put them into flower you will get a much bigger yeild than just flowering the mother, assuming you do everything right. But whats all this about Zero Veg? that shouldnt be part of the plan

If you have 1 big female plant and your trying to figure out how to max your yeild from her you should consider either creating a bunch of clones from her and putting them through a few weeks veg and then flower them all together each in their own 3 liter pots and spaced at 1 plant per square foot. The other option is you could transplant that one mother into something really large like a 10 or 15 gallon tote and make a massive scrog(screen of green) from her. A SOG will most likely give you the best yield, but not with zero veg time.

Also I would recommend letting the mother plant develope until she has all of the clones you want to take from her ready at one time, that way you will have your clones vegged for the same amount of time, otherwise you will have some vegged longer than others and an uneven canopy. An uneven canopy means you have to raise your lights higher to accomodate the taller plants but the shorter plants are deprived of light to do this

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Yeah Pickle., I'm just being that guy, you know.. "what if" and sht....I'm just headded in the sog/scrog direction, as ur recommending.

But I did that,, what u said about trimming the mother...
had a plant with a severe cal/mag defficiency // trimmed her down to nothing but the top couple branches. Now, clones are happy, mother is happy.. just got me to thinking...but my plants are all over the place,, I'm about to tie the rest of the mothers down so i can flower in my current setup. It got outta control on me + just wanna deal with shorter plants from now on