Zen master's northern light-n-blue venom grow journal

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LMFAO! :lol:

Permission to borrow this line and use it frequently?
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Not a problem at all my friend.
Will be putting up some pics later today of those babies in the veg closet. Remember i got my mh ballast? Well i want to show you what i meant when i said that the hortilux daylight blue was the bomb.
 
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Nice. Can't wait to see those babies in that light.

Now, I must briefly hijack your thread. I got the Canna A+B nutes today (yeah). So...what the hell am I supposed to do with them. I read the instructions on the back of the bottle and I felt like I got nothing outta them. "Mix equal parts of A+B in water and let sit for a couple of hours"...Use 15mL per gallon.

WTF??!!

Are we not increasing the concentration of the nutes over the course of the grow? Are we not using one of them heavier in veg and one heavier in flower? This seems much different than what I was used to.

Help.
 
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OH MY GOD I'M SOOOOO HAPPY FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok check this out.
1. The bottle say says equal amounts,right. For every 10L of water add 40ml of A and 40ml of B. That's 40ml of "EACH ONE" that is the maximun recommended dosage. Which for me equals to 4ml of A and 4ml of B for every 1L.
2. Now since I'm not that well versed in the metric system i use 1L soda pop bottles, filled to the top, to measure out my water into a bucket(I use a five gallon water jug preferably the kind with the handle), and one of those little plastic milliliter measuring syringes.
3. Now that that's out of the way. This is my break down(for the sake of us not getting mixed up, we're going to use 10L as our base of measure, ok, cool.)
3.a We'll start in the cloning phase. First fill up whatever cup you are going to use with your
coco and saturate with a mixture of 5ml of A and 5ml of b in 10L of water. For however
long you run you clones that is the stregnth that i prefer you use.
3.b Next we go to the veg phase. After you transplant your clones to bigger pots, I increase
the dosage to 10ml of A and 10ml of B in 10L of water. Now I generally like to veg for four
weeks, in that case after two weeks I increase the amount to 15ml of A and 15ml of B in
10L of water.
3.c Now on to the flowering phase. Okay, now you have moved or transplanted your babies
to the flower area. We will now increase the dosage to 15ml of A and 15ml of B in 10L of
water if you only let them veg for two weeks. But since I go for four weeks I'll start mine
at 20ml of A and 20ml of B in 10L of water for the first feeding. Then after that i gradually
increase it by 5ml every feeding(or every week after about the second week using 3gal
pots). It usually works out like so:USING 10L OF WATER AS THE BASE MEASURE
first feeding- 20ml of A - 20ml of B in 10L
week 2- 25ml of A and 25ml of B in 10L
week 3- 30ml of A and 30ml of B in 10L
week 4- 35ml of A and 35ml of B in 10L
week 5- 40ml of A and 40ml of B in 10L
week 6- 40ml of a and 40ml of B in 10L
week 7- 40ml of A and 40ml of B in 10L
week 8- 40ml of A and 40ml of B in 10L

I hope that helps. I know i was repeating the same thing over again and again, but i just wanted to make sure I explained everything the best I could. I hate when people explain things in a manner thats easy to them with experience to understand, but not to someone who is doing this for the first time. Now i mentioned in the beginning of this post about how the measurements break down(Ex. week 3 it would be 3ml of A and 3ml of B for every 1L), that is for if you need to mix more than 10L(Ex. in week 3 you needed 15L of water, since the ratio is 3ml of each for every 1L, you would mix 45ml of each A and B to 15L of water). I never exceed 4ml of each per 1L of water, that's just me. Now as far as adding any other nutes or anything like that, the only thing i use is Floralicious Bloom and that does me just fine, with a reasonable price tag too. I'll start it after the first feeding in flower, and use it like every other feeding(following the instructions on the bottle). Basically that's it, or all i can think of right now, and using this method has given me virtually no nute burn(but it might depend on the strain.) Of course you know if you need anything just ask, and I'll give you my best. Like is said iv'e been using coco for almost two years now and i usually get very good results. With that being said here are a just a few pics over the past two years to show that this method is pretty dead on. You can probably tweek it to your liking later on but try it like this for one or two runs.
The pics are just various photos of veg, flower, and a couple of harvest shots over the years.
Oh yeah, check your msgs I pm'd you.




PEACE!!!
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Thanks a ton for the rundown. makes perfect sense now. I knew there had to be more to it than the bottle said. Explanation was spot on. As for additives, I am definately adding something called Gravity to this grow (increases bud weight and density) for this grow. Depending on how she looks in flower, I might occasionally try adding some of the FF Big Bloom that I have left over to see how she tolerates it and if it helps/hurts. Thanks again.
 
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God. Look at the SIZE of those plants! What range of weight have you been pulling off of plants lately. They look huge, and full. No doubt, I am feeling much better about the Canna Coco nute line now. Wow!
 
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thanks a ton for the rundown. Makes perfect sense now. I knew there had to be more to it than the bottle said. Explanation was spot on. As for additives, i am definately adding something called gravity to this grow (increases bud weight and density) for this grow. Depending on how she looks in flower, i might occasionally try adding some of the ff big bloom that i have left over to see how she tolerates it and if it helps/hurts. Thanks again.
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god. Look at the size of those plants! What range of weight have you been pulling off of plants lately. They look huge, and full. No doubt, i am feeling much better about the canna coco nute line now. Wow!
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hey man your welcome, and thank you. As far as additives imo bloom boosters are generally ok because the n-p-k on them are usually even(1-1-1).what i would do is try at least four or five clones. Use the gravity on one, and use the fox farm on one, and have one with just the canna a-b. That way you can see way is best for you. I have really heard good things about that gravity around here, but i also have read that it is real easy to burn with it(takes a little bit of tweeking) but gooood overall.

Now this one made me have to go digging in my records(i record everything from every harvest)
as far as the weight, it depends on pot size, and the strain. I have tried different methods and in general: If i veg and flower in 1gal pots the yeilds ranges between .50-.68oz. If i veg in igal pots and flower in 3gal pots the yeilranges between 1.15-1.72oz. If i veg in 1gal pots and flower in 5gal pots the yield ranges between 3.03-3.37oz.
 
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I JUST REALIZED THAT I DID NOT FINISH MY LAST POST, AND I GUESS IT'S TOO LONG AGO FOR ME TO EDIT, SO I'LL FINISH IT NOW:
Now this one made me have to go digging in my records(i record everything from every harvest)
as far as the weight, it depends on pot size, and the strain. I have tried different methods and in general: If i veg and flower in 1gal pots the yeilds ranges between .50-.68oz. If i veg in 1gal pots and flower in 3gal pots the yeild ranges between 1.15-1.72oz. If i veg in 1gal pots and flower in 5gal pots the yield ranges between 3.03-3.37oz. and that plant in the first pic is the same monster in the forth pic. i vegged it in a 1gal pot for three weeks then in a 3gal pot for two more weeks, and flowered it in a 7gal pot and got 4.83oz off of it(all weights are cut and dried weights) now with the exception of the last plant described, that might not sound like alot to most, but imagine 20 3gal pots(harvesting ten plants each month)that's just over ten ounces a month, and it takes me about a week to go through an ounce. so for me that's not that bad (seeing that i'm not a weed baron,LOL). also i have found that it's not really about the height of the plant in coco but more about root mass. quick example: the seven sour diesel plants in the 5th pic were about three feet tall in 1 gal pots and the yeild per plant was basically the same as the sour d plants i did on previous run that i only let get a little over two feet. so depending on the strain, i really don't waste any extra time trying to let them get "a little bit taller" and like i said depending o nthe strain because i have been working with the plants i have been growing long enough to be able to gauge how tall to let them be. it might be different with another strain, it's up to you to decide. but as far as the root mass thing, i think that's across the board with everything.

COMING UP!!!COMING UP!!!COMING UP!!!COMING UP!!!COMING UP!!!COMING UP!!!
NEW PICS OF MY GIRLS IN SOME HOT GIRL, GIRL, GIRL, GIRL, GIRL, GIRL, GIRL, GIRL, GIRL ACTION. NINE HOT LADIES LOCKED IN A CLOSET, WITH NOTHING TO DO BUT STARE AND WATCH EACH BASK NAKED IN THE SUNLIGHT, AND LET'S NOT FORGET WHEN THE LIGHTS GO OUT,....OH IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES, WANNA SEE WHAT HAPPENS,...........STAY TUNED.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
 
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Nice. Can't wait to see those babies in that light.

WELL BRO DREAMS DO COME TRUE! MAN I KNOW I SAID THAT I WAS GOING TO WAIT FOR TWO WEEKS TO LET THE GIRLS SOAK UP SOME OF THAT GOOD BLUE LIGHT. WELL I JUST COULDN'T WAIT. NOW REMEMBER I HAD STATED THAT THEY HAD BEEN UNDER THE HPS FOR TWO WEEKS, OK THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE BEFORE PICS AND THE AFTER PICS ARE EXACTLY ONE WEEK AND ONE DAY AFTER I TOOK THE FIRST SET OF PHOTOS.I WOULD HAVE BEEN PUT THESE PICS UP, BUT ME AND SPRINT HAD SOME DIFFERENCES THAT WE HAD TO WORK OUT, BUT ALL IS WELL NOW.
OK THE FIRST TWO(#1-2) ARE THEM IN THE VEG CLOSETAttached Thumbnails
. THE NEXT TWO(#3-4) ARE THEM ON THE DRAIN TRAY RIGHT AFTER BEING FED .THE NEXT GROUP OF PICS ARE JUST BEING USED AS A COMPARISON AGAINST THE RULER TO SHOW WHAT KIND OF GROWTH HAS WENT DOWN OVER THE PAST WEEK, THEY ARE IN ORDER AS FOLLOWS:#5-6 ARE SOME OF THE BLUE VENOMS, #7 ARE MY TWO INDICA PHENO NORTHERN LIGHTS, #8-9 ARE MY SATIVA PHENO NORTHERN LIGHTS , AND JUST IN CASE YOU MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT HER. REMEMBER THAT LITTLE TWO HEADED CLONE THAT I USED AS A DEMO FOR HOW I CLONE WITH ROCKWOOL AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD? WELL #10 IS HER. SHE'S IN A 1GAL POT I'M THINKING OF VEGGING HER IN A 5GAL POT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND PUTTING HER OUT TO FLOWER, I BET SHE'LL BE AWESOME.

NOW I KNOW THAT IT IS JUST A 400WT, BUT I HAVE GOT TO GIVE IT UP TO THE HORTILUX DAYLIGHT BLUE. TO ME ITS JUST LIKE THEY EXPLODED. I CAN JUST IMAGINE IF I WAS TO GO GET A 1000WT METAL BALLAST(ONLY ABOUT $105 AT ALMOST ANY ELECTRICAL SUPPLY STORE), AND A 1000WT BLUE DAYLIGHT BULB AND SLIDE IT IN MY COOL TUBE, OH MAN CAN YOU JUST IMAGINE WHAT I WOULD HAVE AFTER FOUR WEEKS IF I GOT THIS KIND OF GROWTH FROM A 400WT IN A WEEK. IT'S CRAZY MAN!!!!
WELL I'M OUT HOPE YOU ALL LIKE THE LITTLE PRESENTATION.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
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liljheazy said:
wow i must say very nice setup, i could tell your hands on. I will be checking this out those are some great strains, good luck
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hey liljheazy i ment to thank you for stopping by and checking my grow out, but i got sidetracked,sorry. But hey.......thanks for stopping by!!!!!
I hope that everything so far is visually pleasing to you, and i hope your intrest in coco is growing. Be easy man.


Peace!!!
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How long have those plants been in veg for? Is that 9 plants that you keep in flower under the one 400w hps? That's a great set up you got there. Packed nice and tightly, but not too tight so as to restrict growth.

Absolutely perfect use of the light you have available boss. :clap:

Is your flower space a similar set up? :confused:

I definately agree with the proposed move of the 2-heaaded clone to a bigger pot. Got a chance to big a real bid takedown off of her...or hers? :confused:

With this set up you have, how many harvests are you pulling in a year? Electric bill a problem at all? Do you lollipop them at all to force budding anywhere?

This is really one of the more impressive grows with just a 400 watter that I've seen here man. Absolutely perfect light usage. Such a key thing when your using a 400w light source IMO. How big are your vegging and flowering spaces respectively?

This is gonna be wild to watch develop well into the flowering period. God, with 9 plants that size going to flower...can't wait to see the takedown here. Gonna be big...and your friends are gonna be really thankful :blsmoke:

I'm curious about the design of your growspaces. I see an exhaust pipe in your veg space there. What kind of set up do you have for exhausts, carbon filters, etc...? Struggling with the design of this part myself. How many CFMs are you pulling outta each space? Did you DIY it or just buy inline fans?

"I WOULD HAVE BEEN PUT THESE PICS UP, BUT ME AND SPRINT HAD SOME DIFFERENCES THAT WE HAD TO WORK OUT"

:lol::lol::lol:
Very nicely put. I can see the differences now.

"Uh sir, we need you to bend over before we give you this phone package. What's that, you don't wanna? Okay, well, that's gonna cost ya 100 minutes...but we're gonna at least need ya to tell people that you bent over for us, mkay? And please walk away like it hurt.";-)

Sorry for all the questions but the visuals are giving some great info and other ideas that I'm likin. Thanks man.

-Butters :bigjoint:
 
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(Butters) said:
Sorry for all the questions but the visuals are giving some great info and other ideas that I'm likin. Thanks man.
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not a problem at all man.
How long have those plants been in veg for?actually for three weeks, two weeks with the hps, and one with the mh. although the two weeks with the hps didn't do much, but the last week with the mh has done wonders, and i'll probably let them veg for about another two weeks, maybe. Is that 9 plants that you keep in flower under the one 400w hps? no, that was the veg closet, and i was using a hps bulb and ballast until i got my mh ballast, but no that's for vegging only.Is your flower space a similar set up? no my flower space is a little bit bigger, and i use the two 400wt hps lights(pic below is the best i could take with my phone).With this set up you have, how many harvests are you pulling in a year? well if i stay consistent, and do what i know i need to do, when i need to do it, then i would say around 8-10 harvest pulling 9-10 plants a month.Electric bill a problem at all? yes and no. yes it is a little higher, but i'm only running three 400's(flower is 11/13, and veg is 18/6)so it's not enough to raise any suspicion. but i'm not trying to be the weed king of the area i'm in, but i do have a few friends that i hook up at bargian basement prices(really $40-50 for what they would pay at least $125 to $175 for),and that takes care of my bills(electric and water). Do you lollipop them at all to force budding anywhere? no not at all,that blue venom, and that NL is my first attempt at topping, might topped a few of the clones i have now, but i'll probably just let the rest of them grow the way GOD intended.How big are your vegging and flowering spaces respectively? well my veg closet is 3'x4' and 6ft tall, now as for my flower area, i guess i could be using more space, but my drain ramp is 3'x8' with the two lights right on top spaced out about two feet from each end, it kinda broadsides them so the plants on the end are pretty much right under the light, and everything in the middle is getting light from both sides.I'm curious about the design of your growspaces. I see an exhaust pipe in your veg space there. What kind of set up do you have for exhausts, carbon filters, etc...?How many CFMs are you pulling outta each space? Did you DIY it or just buy inline fans?
ok as far as intake and exhaust i have two bathroom exhaust fans($17 a piece at home depot,70 cfm each)one is hanging on the side of my a/c unit pulling cool air in the closet with the help of some 4" ducting the other is positioned in the top back corner sucking air out. now the ducting you see inside is for the cool tube. i have a 117cfm fan from Grainger $24(which i don't think is enough cfm's, i think imight need more like 200-250cfm's)pulling the warm air from the top of the inside of the closet via some 4" ducting(note :i had to buy some 6" to 4" adapters for the cooltube to connect to the ducting). as far as filters i dont think i'll need them with these strains, they dont seem to give off much of an odor(especially the NL indica pheno, i mean on a 1-10 i give it a 2,WOW!!!). i mean in my grow room it smells like i'm growing some plants but no weed smell, and its only in that room, not all over the house.
So there you go butters my man, i tried to answer each question as best i could, you know if there's anything else just let me know, and i'll hit you back A.S.A.P. and hey, thank "YOU" for the interest.




PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
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well everybody i'm going to be missing in action for a minute. my clones are busting out. i don't think it's even fair to call them clones anymore because my shortest one is right at about 14" tall. really i'm contemplating whether or not they will need to go another two weeks, or one week, or out right now. reason being is that they are growing pretty doggone fast, but seeing that they were under that sodium light for two weeks i think they may have a little stretch in them. also the nodes are staggered on the main shafts, and i'm thinking that is because of the sodium light also. this weekend i'm giong to be cutting some clones, 10-15, and start getting them ready, i'll probably do them in the dixie cups like i used to, just in case i do decide to flower the girls early. its going to be kind tough to find some good looking clones because all of the side branches are growing staggered too, but there are a few that i saw that are still growing with the nodes even with each other. but even if they turn and start growing staggered that will be cool, because it will still be some NORTHERN LIGHTS, and some BLUE VENOM dank. they may not be cosmetically correct, but its still gone be some good smoke(hopefully)but we'll see. talk to you guys monday.

PEACE!!!
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hey what's up . i know that i said that i would be out for a minute, but i couldn't help myself. i checked on my girls this morning and this is what i saw(last pic). so i am definitely taking clones this weekend, and i will give them about two or three days to heal before i put them out. because i dont think i want them to get any taller, the tallest ones are between 19-21", but anyway i want them to be about medium height when they stop stretching under the sodium light. but hey check 'em out. believe me this pic does not do them any justice. so here they are in kind of a time line so to speak.the four in the middle are the NORTHERN LIGHTS, and the six on the outside ring are the BLUE VENOM. this is why i say i swear by the hortilux daylight blue(6500k).
#1-2 day one of veg
#3 after two weeks vegging under sodium light
#4 after one week under mh light-three weeks total
$5 after two weeks under mh light-four weeks total

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Great time-line picture lineup Zen. You weren't kidding with the growth explosion upon adding the MH instead of the HPS huh? It's taken me three weeks with cfls to get where you got in one week with just the HPS for veg.

Any links you have for converting a HPS ballast into MH? I still have my 150 hps and now that I have the 400 hps, I figure i can just convert the 150 to a metal hallide.

The health of your girls too! Perfect coloring and everything man. Looking great.
 
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240!!! DAMN!!!!so 120 for a half, 60 for a quarter. that is outrageous! it would have to be the most exellent smoke in the world. oh my god man i think i might have to stop if it was that much down here. but i guess for quality's sake i probably would go ahead and buy it, if i wasn't doing anything for myself that is, just to be honest. but again 240, damn "ok, shit, I'll take it,..................but can you put a little k-y jelly on it first." LOL.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
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hey zen mate hows things?
your journal is looking good! those plants are gonna have some fat colas on them. doing a real good job, well done on the ballasts i'm always for saving coin!!
now u think 240 is dear i live in Australia tasmania , weed prices down here are absolutly off the show!!! u might pay 350 for a ounze. 180 for half is standard. 90-100 a q. this is all indoor hydro, nice but not anything really special.
keep up the good work!

madazz :weed:
 
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MH ballast has no ignitor. (magnetic) and a hps has a ignitor. You could just remove the ignitor but i wouldn't recomend doing it as the choke puts out x amount of amps. The hps amps are higher than MH so u would be putting to many amps into your mh bulb and it would die a lot quicker than if it was used on the correct control gear. Both ballasts use chokes and capacitors but the HPS uses a ignitor. My MH ballasts have 1 capacitor and 1 choke. the HPS ballasts have 1 sometimes 2 caps, 1 ignitor and 1 choke. u can buy a 400w MH conversion globe that will run on your 400 HPS ballast that would be a safer thing to dd than to play around with your ballast. my 2c

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(Butters) said:
Great time-line picture lineup Zen. You weren't kidding with the growth explosion upon adding the MH instead of the HPS huh? It's taken me three weeks with cfls to get where you got in one week with just the HPS for veg.

Any links you have for converting a HPS ballast into MH? I still have my 150 hps and now that I have the 400 hps, I figure i can just convert the 150 to a metal hallide.

The health of your girls too! Perfect coloring and everything man. Looking great.
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