YET another liberal lie, who da thunk....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1315964/One-extinct-animals-turn-again.html

how do you justify your existence? you guys are wrong on everything.

Being wrong isn't the same as lying. Science makes a lot of claims from very rough data. The problem is that most people haven't the experience or depth of knowledge to assess data and conclusions for themselves. All this means, really, is that science has a lot to learn still about biodiversity. Hell, not too long ago, everyone assumed that everything relied on the sun, directly or indirectly, for energy. Now we have dozens of new species to study that live on volcanic vents alone.

TokinPodPilot said:

Being wrong isn't the same as lying. Science makes a lot of claims from very rough data. The problem is that most people haven't the experience or depth of knowledge to assess data and conclusions for themselves. All this means, really, is that science has a lot to learn still about biodiversity. Hell, not too long ago, everyone assumed that everything relied on the sun, directly or indirectly, for energy. Now we have dozens of new species to study that live on volcanic vents alone.

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It is not just that, but there are other extremophile organisms that have popped up within the Antarctic region as well. You are right that being wrong isn't the same as lying A lie revolves around knowing the truth, but still stating a falsehood for whatever reason. While there are some individuals that do that, and some conservationists are pretty nutty, that doesn't hold true for everyone that is concerned with conservation of the planet we inhabit and live in,

As for Jeff here, you seem to jump on every little news story that seems to fuel your flame for the crap you believe in. Let us take into consideration what is being said. A lot of this relies on sightings of certain animals and creatures. What exactly happens when you don't see them for very long times, especially when they were in very small numbers to begin with? You come to the same conclusion that they're no longer there. And that is what the article actually says when it comes to reporting a species is extinct, nothing more. Does not laying eyes on a species for a certain amount of time actually prove that something has gone extinct? And if you wish to repel that, what measures should we take in identifying whether or not something is extinct?

And how exactly does this affect you directly?

CaRNiFReeK said:

I think that the compelling argument that the conservationalists are lying comes from the last sentence in the article:

‘Mammals missing in the 20th century were nearly three times as likely to be rediscovered as those that disappeared in the 19th century,’ Dr Fisher added.

To me, this may be indicative of a lie, coming from money-grabbing funds-seeking 20th century scientists that would otherwise not have generated the funding to keep themselves in business if they did not create a little bit of fear, or open up a few bleeding hearts. Or it could be indicative of sloppy scientific observation. Then again, there are species that were believed extinct since the 16th century that are being rediscovered today. That can hardly be characterized as sloppy observation.

I think that scientific fear mongering affects us all directly. Global warming, climate change, offshore drilling, and holes in the ozone layer are just a few examples of "sky is falling" technique that is used to generate money for different special interests. However, I don't think these tactics are exclusively used by liberals.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1315964/One-extinct-animals-turn-again.html#ixzz114uAC480​

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Exactly. Animals missing...MISSING...MISSING that have come up again. Do you understand how truly big the world is? Do you understand what it takes to actually scour each and every forest that exists on this planet? We were recently under the impression that every civilization of man had been discovered until we came across one in the Amazon. You make it sound like this is one easy task, collecting and identifying the existent of over millions of certain organisms on our planet. Truthfully it is not. Not to forget that the "business" you refer to is not as much as of a business than it is one that exists on donor money and lobbying for their efforts. There is no revenue and profit in this field. Be real. This is not some conglomerate full of board members that send lobbyists to D.C. in order to ensure that their business practices don't change.

Scientific fear mongering doesn't exist. It is actually scientific theorizing to be exact. That is empirical data backs up certain hypothesis and claims. If you haven't come to accept that humans are actually capable of destroying their own environment, that off-shore drilling science has not been exacted, and that holes in the universe have absolutely no affect on the planet, you're probably one of those "fear mongering" individuals that believe a chip installed in your ass is going to control the way you live you live. And take into consideration that these special interests aren't the same as the corporations and private entities that send lobbyist to D.C. in order to secure certain legislation or to keep certain legislation away from affecting their bottom line at the end of the day.

And believing it is indicative of a lie is complete B.S. If information, thought to be true, is passed down after centuries, and then it is discovered to be incorrect, then I will tell you scientists and conservationists will take the big gulp and accept it. Want to know why? They believe in science far above others. The fact you think the individuals that speak on the survival of humanity and other organisms on this Earth is a result of them wanting money is moronic. From PETA to Wilderness efforts and the WWF, these individuals don't take home the same paychecks C.E.O.s do.

Not to mention the relatively few people that are actually doing this research. It makes it impossible to really examine every inch of entire habitats. But as technologies get better the estimates will get better and better, meaning those rediscoveries should happen more and more as we go on, but that doesn't mean that there will not be more and more species will be found to be going extinct.

And even that doesn't mean that they are all from bad causes, with the diversity of this planet I bet we will find species dropping out and new ones starting is pretty common.

A scientific truth is only true until it is proven false. Scientist try to prove their theories wrong, that’s how they prove them true. So if any trace of an animal hadn’t been seen for 60 years I’d think it was extinct. Scientist can only accept the data they have at that time to develop a theory.

If you don’t think PETA, WWF and others aren’t out to get big bucks from Washington your also “moronic”. Those organization need money to operate just like any other business does. The only difference is a business that creates a product or supplies a service doesn’t have to beg for every dollar they receive.

how does this directly affect me? well everytime someone wants to build ANYTHING peta and the gang show up and start working to classify animals as endangered, extinct, or whatever to circumvent property rights. the spotted owl comes to mind. it definitely affects everyone in america who owns or wishes to own property.

jeff f said:

it definitely affects everyone in america who owns or wishes to own property.

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I'm sure it affects some people, but I think you're going a bit overboard with hyperbole. As others said, being wrong is not the same as lying. And, as far your statement above goes... I've owned two houses and was not affected at all by endangered animals either time.

Sweeping generalizations made by the OP help to solve nothing

If you believe we need not have more respect for our environment and all of its life forms you truly have shit for brains

Leothwyn said:

I'm sure it affects some people, but I think you're going a bit overboard with hyperbole. As others said, being wrong is not the same as lying. And, as far your statement above goes... I've owned two houses and was not affected at all by endangered animals either time.

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there were certainly laws enacted where you lived surrounding endangered/threatened species. unless you had no rivers, streams, or swamps. highway routes get rerouted, buildings of all sorts are stopped from building. the latest one in my area was a toad. it shut down a business park in a very run down place that really could have used the park.

most of it is done by treehuggers who want us to return to horses and carts. and most of it is total bullshit. every once in a a while they get one right around here. but for the most part, its nuts.

and much like global warming, we now find out that its total bullshit.

99% of all the species that have ever lived are extinct.


So....Who gives a fuck. Life can exist in some very hazardous places. Life is tough. It'll survive even if we try to ruin it and ourselves.

Someone may have lied, but i don't think this is the one big lie that will destroy an ideology. Not enough ammo.

SouthernGanja said:

99% of all the species that have ever lived are extinct.


So....Who gives a fuck. Life can exist in some very hazardous places. Life is tough. It'll survive even if we try to ruin it and ourselves.

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They died over a course of time where there was no human activity. It was general chaos and billions of years of the Earth revolving around our Sun. We humans are without question the most able and tool-manipulative organism that has graced this Earth, and I personally believe that comes with duty of responsibility to ourselves and the world we were created in.

Well, hopefully if some more advanced organisms ever arrive they treat us with more respect then you treat all of our planets life.

I don't know about liberal 'lies' but the opening example from the cited article, discussing the 'Okapi' is completely mistaken. In 1990 I came across an okapi wildlife refuge, run by some American zoologists deep in the Ituri forest of eastern Zaire - now the Congo. I saw a couple of the beasts myself and was told just how extremely rare they were and this was a project to try to acclimatize captured examples for zoo living so the species might be preserved outside of the wild - they were gradually being conditioned to smaller enclosures, in the forest setting.

In a bizarre twist a couple of nights later I was in a small village drinking what I was told was pombe, local beer but was in fact some much stronger distillate and chatting up the fellows on the benches around me - who were naturally curious about the white traveller in their midst. At some point I asked them what they liked to eat and one of them answered 'okapi', I thought this was quite funny but in truth, I wasn't sure the guy was joking.

As for whether the geometric expansion of human settlement and environmental impact has had a negative impact on other species, re: the OP: Whether or not you accept the more 'out there', speculative guesstimates on species extinction, its a no-brainer. We humans hunt shit to extinction, and have done for thousands of years. We managed it on continental North America 10,000 years ago when our populations and environmental footprint were a fraction of what they are now.

Who the fuck sez different and how can you support it beyond some piece of news fluff?

They all want to save the earth, yet how many would sacrifice their children at the altar of Green?

If children are going to be sacrificed, it seems just as likely that it's going to happen from pissing in our own wells (metaphorically speaking).

Whats the point of this post? Does the OP think its impossible for animals to become extinct?

Hmmmm. It actually helped me and my next door neighbor.

We ran our sump pump lines out the back of our properties, so that they drained on land owned by the township.

Township officials came out to look at it the next summer. It was already starting to turn into a "wetland".

They couldn't do anything about it then.

jeff f said:

how does this directly affect me? well everytime someone wants to build ANYTHING peta and the gang show up and start working to classify animals as endangered, extinct, or whatever to circumvent property rights. the spotted owl comes to mind. it definitely affects everyone in america who owns or wishes to own property.

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