Worm Casting Question

toomp

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What do you guys think about feeding worms pure rabbit pellets? A tea spoon of Greensand, Dolomite Lime, and Basalt. Maybe some Rock Phosphate.

Rabbit will get alfalfa pellets or fresh alfalfa if possible.

what do you think the outcome will be?
I think this can help break down things that take years to break down much faster
 

Pattahabi

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I'd be a little careful with 'pure rabbit pellets', but I think it would be awesome! If it were me I'd leave out the lime, SRP, and greensand. Go with rock dust, maybe some neem meal, crab meal, comfrey leaves or any dynamic accumlators, etc. I know people say you can use rabbit poo fresh, but I'm a little crazy, and I'd probably still thermal compost it with some straw and whatnot.

My 2¢,

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toomp

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I'd be a little careful with 'pure rabbit pellets', but I think it would be awesome! If it were me I'd leave out the lime, SRP, and greensand. Go with rock dust, maybe some neem meal, crab meal, comfrey leaves or any dynamic accumlators, etc. I know people say you can use rabbit poo fresh, but I'm a little crazy, and I'd probably still thermal compost it with some straw and whatnot.

My 2¢,

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Hey man! Long time.
Why compost the pellets?
I'm with you on rock dust, but why no greensand? It be nice to throw things in that takes years to break down and speed the process.
 

Pattahabi

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Hey man! Long time.
Why compost the pellets?
I'm with you on rock dust, but why no greensand? It be nice to throw things in that takes years to break down and speed the process.
Hi Toomp! Hope you have been well! I would compost all mammalian manure. Not only for pathogen suppression, but thermal composting will help to more quickly break down the rabbit pellets into the microbial goo that worms eat. A more seasoned shit veteran might tell you it's fine not to. I am by no means a thermal/vermi composting expert, just saying I've always used it composted, and then I've mixed it with straw and other materials to break it up a little. I'll digress to whoever has more experience with this, but that's what I got. ;)

Edit: greensand takes forever to break down, and imo you can get all the elements from other materials more easily. I don't see any harm in it, but I don't expect you will see a lot of benefit either.

Peace!

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DonTesla

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What do you guys think about feeding worms pure rabbit pellets? A tea spoon of Greensand, Dolomite Lime, and Basalt. Maybe some Rock Phosphate.

Rabbit will get alfalfa pellets or fresh alfalfa if possible.

what do you think the outcome will be?
I think this can help break down things that take years to break down much faster
Worms like sand to aid digestion, don't forget.
I would just feed the worms a lil alfalfa and bypass the rabbit, and use the rabbit for outdoors and for recycling .. As awesome as they are.
@DonPetro his are getting huge on clean organic cow manure
I feed mine a crazy mush with oatmeal and or rice blended sometimes, along with DP's special sauce..
What's your worm game like these days bro?
Drop some game/ Any updates on the worm food
 

st0wandgrow

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What do you guys think about feeding worms pure rabbit pellets? A tea spoon of Greensand, Dolomite Lime, and Basalt. Maybe some Rock Phosphate.

Rabbit will get alfalfa pellets or fresh alfalfa if possible.

what do you think the outcome will be?
I think this can help break down things that take years to break down much faster
I've done it before. Never any issues, but as P said above probably the safest route is a thermo-compost for a few days first. I know my bunnies are healthy and well fed so I don't sweat it too much.

I will say that the worms *love* to drop cocoons inside the rabbit turds. It's like little incubators or something for them
 

greasemonkeymann

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What do you guys think about feeding worms pure rabbit pellets? A tea spoon of Greensand, Dolomite Lime, and Basalt. Maybe some Rock Phosphate.

Rabbit will get alfalfa pellets or fresh alfalfa if possible.

what do you think the outcome will be?
I think this can help break down things that take years to break down much faster
I have used rabbit poo fresh and it's fine, what I do(did) is use it as part of the ewc/compost portion and mash it all up mix it in so it's not in it's "pure" form, more like "diluted" with the ewc and compost, I have used that method for alpaca poo as well.
key is to not use a lot of it. maybe a cup per cubic foot at the most.
Keep in mind I don't use it anymore, I have better results with neem meal, crab meal, insect meal and kelp meal as my primary nutrients.
BUT I did grow some fantastic herb with it. Good stuff.
Rabbit and alpaca are the best poos to use, in that order.
Hi Toomp! Hope you have been well! I would compost all mammalian manure. Not only for pathogen suppression, but thermal composting will help to more quickly break down the rabbit pellets into the microbial goo that worms eat. A more seasoned shit veteran might tell you it's fine not to. I am by no means a thermal/vermi composting expert, just saying I've always used it composted, and then I've mixed it with straw and other materials to break it up a little. I'll digress to whoever has more experience with this, but that's what I got. ;)

Edit: greensand takes forever to break down, and imo you can get all the elements from other materials more easily. I don't see any harm in it, but I don't expect you will see a lot of benefit either.

Peace!

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You are right there pat, (like usual). That being said I have a soft spot for greensand, I bought a box of it years ago and I just CAN'T seem to use it all.
So maybe its cuz I bought the box and don't wanna feel like a jackass...
Better a box of that than a box of azomite though, kinda wish I didn't use that for some of my re-used soil.
I almost want to thank my landlord for throwing out a bunch of my old soil because it forced me make another batch, and this time I had the knowledge to do it the "right" way. Meaning biochar, rotten tree logs chunks, volcanic rock, pumice, the right types of rock phosphates, neem, crab and insect meal for IPMs, homemade ewc and homemade compost.
A "blessing in disguise" as my mother used to say..
I literally would not change a thing about the recipe I use, the roots go insane and bushy and I certainly can't complain about the end results.

heh "seasoned shit-veteran"... nice term... that I am, indeed. but not from my use of manure....:wall:
 

toomp

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I have used rabbit poo fresh and it's fine, what I do(did) is use it as part of the ewc/compost portion and mash it all up mix it in so it's not in it's "pure" form, more like "diluted" with the ewc and compost, I have used that method for alpaca poo as well.
key is to not use a lot of it. maybe a cup per cubic foot at the most.
Keep in mind I don't use it anymore, I have better results with neem meal, crab meal, insect meal and kelp meal as my primary nutrients.
BUT I did grow some fantastic herb with it. Good stuff.
Rabbit and alpaca are the best poos to use, in that order.

You are right there pat, (like usual). That being said I have a soft spot for greensand, I bought a box of it years ago and I just CAN'T seem to use it all.
So maybe its cuz I bought the box and don't wanna feel like a jackass...
Better a box of that than a box of azomite though, kinda wish I didn't use that for some of my re-used soil.
I almost want to thank my landlord for throwing out a bunch of my old soil because it forced me make another batch, and this time I had the knowledge to do it the "right" way. Meaning biochar, rotten tree logs chunks, volcanic rock, pumice, the right types of rock phosphates, neem, crab and insect meal for IPMs, homemade ewc and homemade compost.
A "blessing in disguise" as my mother used to say..
I literally would not change a thing about the recipe I use, the roots go insane and bushy and I certainly can't complain about the end results.

heh "seasoned shit-veteran"... nice term... that I am, indeed. but not from my use of manure....:wall:
right, but what do you think about feeding it to the worms bro.
I control what that rabbit eats and control what the worms eat I just wanted to if it can be primary food. With a spoon of basalt and greensand every feed.
Just based off numbers should epic and worms love poo
No cooking cause I cant
 

greasemonkeymann

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right, but what do you think about feeding it to the worms bro.
I control what that rabbit eats and control what the worms eat I just wanted to if it can be primary food. With a spoon of basalt and greensand every feed.
Just based off numbers should epic and worms love poo
No cooking cause I cant
I can see of no reason why it wouldn't be fine for your worms, i'd just speculate that you may lose a lil of it's "kick" in doing so.
rabbit manure is a good source of NPK. (especially compared to other manures)
If you want it as a compost or vermicompost then sure, but if you are using it as a nutrient source i'd go fresh.
All depends on what you are doing with it though man.
I would give your worms a more diverse diet personally, but that's just me.
 
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toomp

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I can see of no reason why it wouldn't be fine for your worms, i'd just speculate that you may lose a lil of it's "kick" in doing so.
rabbit manure is a good source of NPK. (especially compared to other manures)
If you want it as a compost or vermicompost then sure, but if you are using it as a nutrient source i'd go fresh.
All depends on what you are doing with it though man.
I would give your worms a more diverse diet personally, but that's just me.
Diverse i will throw in some basalt, green sand they claim this stuff is a bacto magnet minerals are there banana peel for k rabbit poo for n and p with some insane bacteria

Far as fresh source I can still throw a cup in
I just really want to spike the casting quality in p and minerals without breaking a sweat
 

greasemonkeymann

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Diverse i will throw in some basalt, green sand they claim this stuff is a bacto magnet minerals are there banana peel for k rabbit poo for n and p with some insane bacteria

Far as fresh source I can still throw a cup in
I just really want to spike the casting quality in p and minerals without breaking a sweat
i'm not sure it works quite like that, over the course of it being broken down first by all the bacteria and such and then by the worms I doubt the end product will be sufficient in any macronutrient to grow herb.
Compost? maybe, but vermicompost I don't think so. Keep in mind I haven't had my vermicompost checked for it's macronutrient content. I give it so much fruit you'd think it'd be higher in phosphorus, but that's sorta my point, I think the worms and the breakdown process of the vermicompost takes a lot of that away.
I could be totally full of shit. I suppose a good way to find out is amend the vermicompost only and use that as the normal 33% of your soil and don't feed it and see if it comes up with deficiencies.
Would I would do, if I were you, is just worry about having a good amount of rock phosphates, basalt, gypsum. Those in conjuncture with kelp and you'll have a good coverage of most the macros, except one... the most used one. Nitrogen. You said you were wanting just more phosphorus so I assume you have nitrogen covered, if not. Well, that's where your FRESH poo comes in. Not to mention rabbit poo has a good amount of phosphorus in it, especially compared to other manures.
If you have room for your wormbin you could in theory get a large smartpot and mix in the primary nutrients in it and age it that way, it doesn't have to be mixed in with your aeration and peat to age the soil, mix it with the compost or vermicompost portion of your soil and give it 45 days or so? Is that possible?
Also your rabbit bedding? all full of rabbit urine (high nitrogen) would be a good base for any compost. OR you could make a tea out of it ad strain the alfalfa or hay or whatever you use and then you have a nice rabbit pee-tea. mmmmm
 

greasemonkeymann

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Some rabbit shiat info I came across.

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Damn pat, this is a helluva find, so you do realize that this is virtual proof of composting actually INCREASING the NPK value of rabbit manure? You got that part right?
that doesn't make any sense to me?
How does it increase?
I mean I have a pretty good grasp on the whole composting process and I can't understand why or how the nitrogen and phosphorus increases as it breaks down?
You're a fart-smeller. er. a smart-fellow (sorry old mechanic joke) can u shed some light on this man?
the other thing I noticed is their initial reading of the NPK was lower than all the numbers I have read regarding rabbit manure, those numbers are really low, more like cow or horse manure.
maybe they feed their rabbits newspaper in china...
 
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