Words on Critical + (Dinafem)

Critical + is a Skunk X Big Bud cross (originally form Mr. Nice Seeds, known as Critical Mass) that Dinafem created, mostly just making a good feminized version of the original from Mr. Nice. If you read the breeders description of Critical + you would want to call bullshit, mostly because it all sounds too good to be true. But they certainly aren't stretching the truth about any of it. It really does grow fatter buds than any Big Bud I've ever grown, really does flower within 45-50 days, clones very easy (and quickly), has a fruity skunk smell and taste... and the smoke is great as a day or night time smoke.
I have grown many clones from my favorite pheno, but what amazed me was the pheno I grew outside, from seed. It was put out kind of early, around late march/early april, it grew to about 1 1/2 ft. and started flowering in right around the end of April (waaay too early)... I assumed she would grow a few buds, then re-veg and grow to be massive before flowering season, but she continued to flower!! ..and finished mid July. This gave m ea small harvest before my other plants are even ready to begin flowering. She finished in almost exactly 45 days (could have gone longer but impending rain caused me to cut it right on schedule), the plant only grew to just under 3 ft by the time it was harvested but the top cola was 1 1/2 ft long and weighed in almost 3 ounces by itself. This wouldn't have been a very good pheno for indoor, but I just got very lucky as I'm growing many of them outside but this one gave me a little smoke to hold me off until this fall/winter. The thing is, these guys flower so fast and MASSIVE that it's almost "holy grail" worthy.
If you have been debating on trying Critical (or a cross of it), or any Dinafem strain for that matter- go for it!! They are GREAT breeders and have decent prices. I put em right up there with TGA and Serious seeds honestly. The critical has made many great hybrids as well, but can be grown potent enough to win a cannabis cup, as she already has a few cup wins under her belt. Cheers!

You should write descriptions for seed banks

I actualy grew it out cause I had a freebie and I was bored. It's a solid plant, good yield, ok taste, potency nothing to write home about. With everything else out there now days.....meh, just average IMO

wheezer said:

View attachment 2259594View attachment 2259596View attachment 2259597I actualy grew it out cause I had a freebie and I was bored. It's a solid plant, good yield, ok taste, potency nothing to write home about. With everything else out there now days.....meh, just average IMO

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Same here.

Well, Big Bud was always known as a heavy yielder, little taste and just average potency. I guess that shines thru with this hybrid. I've never grown it but I have heard good things about this strain. I've grown numerous things from Dinafem and was happy with everything.......

i have 3 critical-jack seeds that im gonna try out i tried female seeds white widow big bud & it yielded good but the finished product just wasnt all that im hoping dinafem comes out better

The critical plus I tried was everything you said except I was not very impressed with the smoke. Sure it taste good, but not great, kinda generic and common. Reminded me of all the beasters I used to get in Oregon. The high is sorta impressive if you only smoke it once in a while. I only tried one I got as a clone but I don't see it producing any A+ phenos, I would have to agree with the name C+.

Yea, she throws a big cola for sure

Dinafem did not creat it, big fail their OP.
all they do is get the best pheno and fem them, they did not even buy the seed from Shanti he give away Kilos .

Any critical hybrid you buy will be a feminised Critical mass from MNS.

Their are better quality higher yielding vars out their

Critical+ is a good pheno that was selfed. You will get a more vigorous plant buying the regs from MNS and you will also get a more diverse selection and probably a better plant.

No thats not entirely true... Critical + is slightly different than Critical Mass. TRUST ME grow both of them.... the critical + is better IMO. they used critical mass and bred it with a skunk. it even says that they recently "upgraded this strain" on their website. i just grew Critical + and it was awesome. needs almost no Veg time, tons of bud sites, SUPER strong fruity sweet skunk odor. Nice lime green buds with fire red hairs, hardly any leaves and the ones that are there are hash makers! The high is like an indica heavy skunk, certainly not a full indica stone but not overly sativa either. this strain is one of the best out there IMO. super easy and flowers in under 50 days total. people begged for my stash of this... even over the OG and Crimea Blue.
Critical Mass is technically closer in relation to the acutal "big bud" strain. Think of critical + as a re-worked version of the Critical Mass.

btw ive grown Blue widow, and OG Kush also from dinafem... all were amazing. Each seed produced a winner pheno... and i was scared to try dinafem cuz of the way people belly ache on here about them when they have no idea what they are talking about.
Dinafem has done nothing but awesome things for me so far. ugh i hate fem seed bashers... obviously dont have the experience needed to realize they shouldnt be vastly different. I also have ZERO HERMIES. its light leaks and heat stress that makes all these hermies mostly, and poor breeders like swerve from TCC. jeez id be embarrassed to sell gear if had as many complaints as him.
just want to throw some REAL up in here!!

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You can certainly make fems that don't herm. That wasn't my point. Some breeders do not do adequate testing on their femmed products resulting in unpredictable results because the plants are not clones. Generally the really good traits people want are recessive, but there are also other bad recessive traits folks do not want. Generally a femmed seed will have a number of the positive qualities of the mother, but it also may have a host of negative ones ranging from minor negatives to major negatives. They might have some positives too potentially, although I'd suggest it's less likely given the complex selection processes that happen in nature causing certain traits to dominate.

You could theoretically find a plant that has identical halves to their genetic code but this is highly unlikely and maybe impossible practically speaking, I don't know. I do know there are over 20,000 genes in a cannabis plant and there are genetic traits that are linked to one another as well, making breeding a difficult and time consuming process and while femmed seeds will show those positive traits I talk about, just understand there may be some negatives that come out as well. Selection is critical.

I agree that many herms are caused by grower error, but not all are.

If you had a gigantic breeding room you could definitely breed and develop the 'perfect' strain that would grow uniformly from seed all the time, but it would take millions of plants and a solid decade or more of work and your definition of perfect may not line up with others. You'd also have a variety that was very highly bottlenecked and would have lost some genetics in the process in the end product.

As far as Dinafem's critical+ is concerned it is a selfed plant from Shanti's regular seeds. Maybe they changed it up recently, but that's what it was and they even offered Shanti money because of it. He refused.

Here's a pic of a regular CM plant from Shanti's gear, looks like fire to me:

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Inbreeding often comes at a price, it's why you are advised against screwing your sister. Like I believe I said before, 1/8 children born from first cousins will contain a lethal recessive gene. Now in Cannabis they can test and ensure these traits aren't there in large quantity, but on a larger scale they are going to show up more often than in regular plants that aren't highly inbred. It's the good with the bad and sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you might get unlucky more often with one variety than with another (femmed or polyhybrids) for various reasons. Really not much excuse to ever get bad fem seeds from the breeders perspective, but you know stuff gets rushed to market sometimes. Critical+ is fairly well proven, but you're more likely to get a legendary plant from the regs that is better suited to your own preferences given the extra diversity in the genetics.

I am not a fem hater per se, but I think they are not all they are sometimes cracked up to be and I question that direction of "breeding" as a lot of times it's just selfing elite plants found in regular seeds and hoping for the best. The selection process is extremely simple so people screwing it up are either lazy, incompetent or both. I don't know many people who claim the offspring of a feminized plant are better than the original. I'd love to see that though, and it isn't impossible, just unlikely for many somewhat complicated reasons that I believe I have some grasp on, but I don't feel comfortable enough with yet to explain beyond what I've explained above.

I think my position is pretty reasonable personally.


PS: Critical Mass is a heavy yielding Afghani x Skunk #1. I'm quite sure Critical+ is the same thing. If it's been bx'd to the skunk #1 again I'd imagine that would make it more sativa leaning, not indica, although it's possible as there are definitely more indica leaning phenotypes of skunk. "Improved" could really be as simple as they grew some more regular beans, found a better mom and she had better offspring. A time consuming process no doubt, but genetically it's the same base.

yea...Dinafem is solid.... more so than expected for all fem seeds IMO.But the smoke is average at best.You can't compare it to the dank cuts going around Cali, or the phenos I find in other breeders work. It's just not that extra good, connoisuer grade stuff that's all.

wheezer said:

yea...Dinafem is solid.... more so than expected for all fem seeds IMO.But the smoke is average at best.You can't compare it to the dank cuts going around Cali, or the phenos I find in other breeders work. It's just not that extra good, connoisuer grade stuff that's all.

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Thats the exact word I use to describe them, solid. Nothing spectacular or mindblowing, but you will be satisfied with the money/time spent.

the "big bud" available in seed form isn't the real deal according to cannabible, but critical+ is one of the most used strains in crosses these days right up there with OG kush so it can't be too shabby. a couple dozen breeders aren't all going to make a mad dash for a schwag strain. i should be testing a critical jack or haze cross i think. i'm sure i have something with critical. maybe it's just CG9 critical 33.

it seems to be a cash cropper gold standard strain.

Yep on my first try I burnt all my plants accept the Dinafem freebes, that C+ was an amazing strain, only a few fan leafs but still huge colas, finished fast too. And each bud had like 3X more pistils than any other for that grow, it smells terrible tho, not pleasant to put up to your nose kinda burns when you sniff it like ammonia? High wasn't great but based on plant structure its amazing.

Taste and smell is more like chemicals than herb. Watch out for bud rot too, its a very dense budding strain.

wheezer said:

yea...Dinafem is solid.... more so than expected for all fem seeds IMO.But the smoke is average at best.You can't compare it to the dank cuts going around Cali, or the phenos I find in other breeders work. It's just not that extra good, connoisuer grade stuff that's all.

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If that. Sure there strong but if I wanted to go buy some "solid" Mr. Nice genetics and self a nice pheno that would be pretty easy. I have grown freebies of Moby Dick, Critical +, Royal Haze and Power Kush, none of which impressed me smoke wise. The Moby had a kick ass sativa high the first joint or so and the it was just ok, and the flavor sucked (grass and gas). The Critical + was sweet, easy, fast and heavy but nothing to write home about. The royal haze wasn't bad just by no means worth 12 weeks, maybe 7? And I'm on my second Power Kush and they have both been weak, the first tasted, well ok, barely, like maybe 10 generations back there was some kill in there. The second one may not get finished, we'll see. I've ran a lot of beans from a lot of breeders and these guys will not get my money. I may not even start there freebies anymore. For what it is worth the Moby and Critical were both dream plants, super easy and heavy, heavy. But who wants more ok smoke, not me!

Critical Mass or Critical plus depending what seed company it is coming from is basically your new generation big bud. I have had some cycles where I had some critical mass and critical plus seeds. The yield is there but it still has the inherent problems of big bud of yesteryear..inconsistent in their potency, flavor, and potential yields. I am currently doing a critical mass x og kush strain I am curious to see how that turns out.