Winterized help!!

Newbeee200813

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So i had some wax made from trim..in the dark about the strain and quality..but it was brown and didnt look great to be honest..a runny budder kind of consistency. I was told on here about winterizing (which is awesome)..so i obliged.. I used 28 grams of wax and double boiled it in everclear..could only get 75%..it stayed on for a little while maybe half an hour because i thought more would dissolve than actually did. I ended up using a whole 750 ml bottle to the 28 grams because it wasnt fully dissolving..finally i gave in and shut it off and..to the freezer it went for two nice full days. After that i filtered through coffee filters into my jars (way more crap in the filters then i thought, and a bunch at the bottom that i didnt even bother pouring it was so solid). I poured my stuff onto parchment in a pyrex so it would go straight to the vac oven after evaporating. I evaporated it with a fan on it outside for another two days until it was nice yellow n dry..then i put it in the vac oven on 29.5 vac at 115f for 3 hours.it didnt ever bubble really just small little bubbles in it if you look closely. But then it came out and it looked great. Only thing is its sticky and i thought it would be stable to touch?? A couple mins in the freezer and its nice and shatter like but room temp its still sticky..any ideas? This is my first time doing this and i have a a lot of the wax to do this too so i need to get it right for that stable consistency..anything helps so please do..but be easy on me too and talk to me like im a newbie ..ill post a pic of the gold when it was finished its just sticky like i said
 

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lio lacidem

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Why did you double boil it? I would bet with all the varoius times you applied prolonged heat that your end product is atleast partially decarbd causing the sticky unstable outcome.
 

Newbeee200813

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Im not sure if its considered double boiling...the everclear and wax was in a measuring glass pyrex which i gad inside a pot of water..but it was in there for a while..so to avoid decarbing i just steer clear of prolonged heat? Any suggestions on where to cut heat out? Or any suggestions on my process period?
 

lio lacidem

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You can eliminate that whole double boiling thing. You can warm up the ethanol before hand to help dissolve oil but even that is minimal. You can also lower your temp on vac chamber and vac for longer
 

Newbeee200813

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Oh i see..i think im going to try around 80 for my temp then..any idea how long i should keep it in the vac oven? Thanks for taking the time to reply regardless of what happens i really appreciate it.
 

Fadedawg

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What LL said on the double boiling. It will dissolve at room temperature, it just takes a long time and lots of agitation, so I heat ethanol up to 125F or so and everything that is going to dissolve, will.

The stuff that won't dissolve, you don't want anyway...............

115F is a little low for ethanol removal and 115F on the readout, doesn't mean 115F at the puddle. The temperature has to be high enough to lower the surface tension sufficiently for the ethanol molecules to break free of the surface, with the reduced partial pressure of the vacuum reducing the energy required.

You can work with samples, if you don't want to bet the farm, but I would start by sticking it in the freezer and chilling it until you can separate it from the parchment enough to flip it.

I would raise oven temperature to at least 125F at the puddle, maybe higher if I couldn't get bubbles to burst. You can aid stubborn bubbles to burst by opening a vent and raising oven pressure enough to collapse, and then closing it again to resume pumping, but stubborn bubbles can also mean that your temperature is too low.

Stick the flipped pieces in and hold until it fully melts, and then start pulling a vacuum on it. If you get a flurry of solvent bubbles hold at that vacuum level until it subsides, and then continue pumping down.

Repeat until you get -29.5" vacuum and when the bubbles stop, remove it and flip it again.

When all solvent bubbling stops, leaving only occasional small fizzy CO2 bubbles along the edges, remove from the oven and let air and cool.

Without knowing the complete history of the material, and what has been done to it, you can only do what you can do, and get what you get, but that is how I get rid of alcohol from material in a vacuum oven.
 
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