Window A/C???

Gquebed

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Just wondering....

I have x2 1000w and I'm wondering if a 12000btu window a/c will be able to cool those in an 8 X 5 X 7.5h room (if the hoods are not being air cooled)?

In my last grow, I had a 6X7X7 room with the x2 1000w cooled by one 6" fan and the 6000btu window A/C was not enough to cool the 1000s so they could be used. I had to dim down to 750w on both.
 

nomofatum

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Just wondering....

I have x2 1000w and I'm wondering if a 12000btu window a/c will be able to cool those in an 8 X 5 X 7.5h room (if the hoods are not being air cooled)?

In my last grow, I had a 6X7X7 room with the x2 1000w cooled by one 6" fan and the 6000btu window A/C was not enough to cool the 1000s so they could be used. I had to dim down to 750w on both.
7000 BTU should be enough for 2000w, if it performs up to spec you would be more than good. 3.42 * watts = BTU.
 

Carolina Dream'n

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You really wanna calculate at 5k btu per un air-cooled 1000. That ac will run close to constantly during lights on, which will keep your humidity low during lights on, a blessing in flower but a curse in veg.
 

a mongo frog

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Id stay air cooled, get the 12k window and still run co2. It'll be an epic run... With 7 foot ceilings id be suer nervous to run 2 non cooled 1 k bulbs.
 

Gquebed

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Id stay air cooled, get the 12k window and still run co2. It'll be an epic run... With 7 foot ceilings id be suer nervous to run 2 non cooled 1 k bulbs.
I was thinking of staying air cooled and runing the 12k btu, but with co2??

I would like to run co2 that way but even if i run ducting to pull that air from outside the tent won't the pull through the hoods suck out too much co2??
 

Carolina Dream'n

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I was thinking of staying air cooled and runing the 12k btu, but with co2??

I would like to run co2 that way but even if i run ducting to pull that air from outside the tent won't the pull through the hoods suck out too much co2??
If you have a high quality hood it should be sealed, but that is the exact reason I do not air cool.
 

a mongo frog

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I was thinking of staying air cooled and runing the 12k btu, but with co2??

I would like to run co2 that way but even if i run ducting to pull that air from outside the tent won't the pull through the hoods suck out too much co2??
Before i went split system i ran a window/wall unit with co2. No problems what so ever.
 

a mongo frog

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Before i went split system i ran a window/wall unit with co2. No problems what so ever.
Sorry what i should of said is that I run co2 and air cool my hoods. No loss in co2, and if there was it wouldn't be enough to bitch about. Not with my experience anyways. Been on the co2 for 7 years with air cooled hoods.
 

Gquebed

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Sorry what i should of said is that I run co2 and air cool my hoods. No loss in co2, and if there was it wouldn't be enough to bitch about. Not with my experience anyways. Been on the co2 for 7 years with air cooled hoods.
Use a burner or a tank?

And do you do anything to up humidity in veg?
 

a mongo frog

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Use a burner or a tank?

And do you do anything to up humidity in veg?
I use a burner. I don't veg in the same room as i flower. I wish i introduced in veg, but i don't. And I don't do anything to up rh in veg. My rh issues come into play in flower.
 

hydrolyzed

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Don't forget about the ballasts. If you have your digitals in the room they are another 1-2k BTU each. The setup I did was 2 10x10 rooms......6 1kw air cooled lights and 1 70pint/day dehumidifier in each room...both rooms had a 24,000BTU AC. One room I mounted the 6 digi ballasts in the room with everything, and that AC ran almost all the time. The other room I mounted the ballasts outside and that AC only ran half the time or less.
 

Aboutapound

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I've always gone by the formula thats been around for a while:
4k btu per 1000w of light, for sealed room with air-cooled hoods.
6k btu for sealed with bare bulbs(non-aircooled).
This takes into consideration ballasts being in room. Dehu/s, and co2 generator. It works everytime, even during the hottest of months here in Norcal. Gets over 100F in the summer during day.
Window banger or split system. The above formula works. Does not work with POS portables.
 
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Gquebed

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Unfortunately I have a limited amount of space to work in. If I could I would veg in a separate space, but.... that's just not possible. The good thing is that I'm able to mount my ballasts outside the space.

So.... in veg I need to be able to get my humidity up in spite of the A/C, as that has been a limiting factor for me in veg. And to minimize co2 loss I would need to tape up my hoods (silverstar cheapos), which would be a little inconvenient since I have to change the lights out when I flip.

Anyway, it seems I'll have to go with a 12k btu window A/C because I can't afford a mini split right now, since I also have to get the c02 gear. I think for my small space a tank is the way to go for now.

Any ideas on what kind of humidifier to get for 8X5 that will keep ahead of the A/C? The ones I've been getting up to now just haven't been cutting it....
 

Gquebed

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Oh, and while I'm firing off all these questions...lol... what do you all do for doors? I've been using those zippers with the black and white poly, but I've heard some say they leak co2????
 

hydrolyzed

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Your going to leak more air through your ductwork. When it comes to sealing a room I've learned a few things. Air tight reflectors are not air tight. Run a fan blowing INTO your complete light cooling setup and seal off the exhaust end. Feel around the edges of the glass and any duct connection you made. You will be surprised at how many leaks their are. I use tape the tape the reflectors shut once the glass is clean and bulbs are installed/tested...then use silicone caulk on the duct connections where they leak. Also, the poofy silver or black insulated duct is misleading. The inner duct almost always has pinholes and rips in it and leaks into the fiberglass insulation which slows it down to a very dispersed leak that's hard to notice. I cut the insulation off and tape up all the holes/rips then reinstall the insulation jacket.

Window AC's will always leak air through the vent even when shut, and also through the Styrofoam surrounding the blower fan. Pull the AC out of its cabinet and tape all around the seams and tape the vent shut.

Use the red "Zipwall" heavy duty zippers, they have the most aggressive adhesive and tightest zippers. Obviously it will leak CO2 and just air in general, but it's the best thing. I'm guessing you are building a "room within a room" with the panda film....make sure to fully seal/tape every seam of the film, make sure the zipper door goes all the way down to the floor and put a metal rod across the bottom to hold the door down the floor (CO2 will always sink and find the lowest way out). Also get a door "sweep" that installed on the bottom of the door to the room and seals the bottom crack, and seal around the door with foam if it's lose. Even if the CO2 gets out of your panda room, it will stay in the main room.

Using the above techniques I've more than doubled the life of a 20lb CO2 tank in grows.
 

Gquebed

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Your going to leak more air through your ductwork. When it comes to sealing a room I've learned a few things. Air tight reflectors are not air tight. Run a fan blowing INTO your complete light cooling setup and seal off the exhaust end. Feel around the edges of the glass and any duct connection you made. You will be surprised at how many leaks their are. I use tape the tape the reflectors shut once the glass is clean and bulbs are installed/tested...then use silicone caulk on the duct connections where they leak. Also, the poofy silver or black insulated duct is misleading. The inner duct almost always has pinholes and rips in it and leaks into the fiberglass insulation which slows it down to a very dispersed leak that's hard to notice. I cut the insulation off and tape up all the holes/rips then reinstall the insulation jacket.

Window AC's will always leak air through the vent even when shut, and also through the Styrofoam surrounding the blower fan. Pull the AC out of its cabinet and tape all around the seams and tape the vent shut.

Use the red "Zipwall" heavy duty zippers, they have the most aggressive adhesive and tightest zippers. Obviously it will leak CO2 and just air in general, but it's the best thing. I'm guessing you are building a "room within a room" with the panda film....make sure to fully seal/tape every seam of the film, make sure the zipper door goes all the way down to the floor and put a metal rod across the bottom to hold the door down the floor (CO2 will always sink and find the lowest way out). Also get a door "sweep" that installed on the bottom of the door to the room and seals the bottom crack, and seal around the door with foam if it's lose. Even if the CO2 gets out of your panda room, it will stay in the main room.

Using the above techniques I've more than doubled the life of a 20lb CO2 tank in grows.
Thanks the for the excellent tips... specially for the hoods...
 
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