Wilting just started in 1 strain only in flower and veg?

I have some random wilting on young and some medium leaves in BOTH flower and veg.

*Grape god strain is being affected.
*DWC bubble buckets in veg
*7gal pots in flower.
*Advanced Nutrients
*The 2 in flowering have been running on low nutes (300-400ppm)and well water (200ppm hard) totalling around 400-600ppm... I know it was low.
*I didnt trust my water. (Reason was, I kept seeing some sort of white salt/calcium build up on my neopreme disks and stems my cloner that I built and was testing. After using a bunch of different water set ups and COMPLETELY cleaning the cloner several times I could only acount to my water)
*I was always changing the water in the bubble buckets because the ph was always climbing to 7-8 ph in 24-72hrs but the plants looked great.
*This went on since the begining of december for flowering 2 plants and since 1-1-11 for the DWC.
*7 days ago I bought an Ro system and am now running RO water.
*The ph was great the first few days but noticed it drop in DWC in both Grape gods??
*Now it dropps ph, and falls to 4.8-4.9. in the grape gods (other stains are good).
*Nothing changed but a slight increase in PPM
*Yesterday I noticed wilting in BOTH rooms, One room soil and the other is DWC

Im also thinking an "immobile nutrient" is affected. I think it has somthing do do with my water. Theres a build up of it in the older leaves but being its immoble, the young leaves are being affected, not the old leaves. I read through my bible and the only thing that fits the bill is calcium deficiency.

It says, Toxicity is difficult to see in the foliage. It causes wilting. Toxic levels also exacerbate dificiencies in potassium, magnesium, manganese, and iron. The nutrients become unavailable, even though they are present. If excessive amounts of soluble calcium are applied early in life, it can also stunt growth.

Advanced nutes say I dont need calmag if I run the base nute.

This is my first grow, what am I missing??










The other one in flower seems a lot less affected?

they look great bro... that wiltin is prolly a heat problem but they look awesome

Nothing to worry about just watch temps. and raise your light.

This is happening on lower branches not even close to the light as well as upper leaves at the top cola, only thing consistant is it is younge leaves..... immobile nute is affected. If it was an mobile nute the older leaves would "help" out the youngers and the youngers wouldnt be affected, the olter ones would once they ran out of what ever nute they were "helping" out with.

Veg room temps are 78 max regularly 75 (differences may be due to location of temp probe?)
Flower temps are 75 max regularly 73

Both rooms have circ fans on timers that run on lights on.

I use a hand held pyrometer to shoot the top colas on all plants to make sure it stays within reason.

Veg colas temps are 75 max regularly 72
Flower temps are 75 max and regularly 72

Veg I run a 400w MH one foot off canopy.
Flower I run a 600w HPS one foot off canopy.

Both rooms average 40-50% RH

The only thing I changed was was my water.

Im going to take some photos tonight when the lights turn on....Give me 10 mins, Ill go get some from veg..

Veg

***The damage on the leaf on the bottom right of the last photo was how I got it as a clone. ***

It looks like both of them in flower are wilting, not just one like I origionally thought. The wilting seems to be getting worse too.

There are two leaves "turned up"?
I checked ph again (in soil) and it was at 6.8
Ph in DWC is 5.5-6.0 (Should this be closer to 5.8-6.5?)

they will be fine, many of my plants did this, as they developed they then flattened out and were ok. your plants don't look like they are short on anything. i noticed on the more sativa dominant strains this happened a lot more noticeably, it could be a possible micro nutrient problem but i think it is nothing to worry about.

ghb said:

they will be fine, many of my plants did this, as they developed they then flattened out and were ok. your plants don't look like they are short on anything. i noticed on the more sativa dominant strains this happened a lot more noticeably, it could be a possible micro nutrient problem but i think it is nothing to worry about.

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This grape god strain is a sativa hybrid, favoring the sativa phenos (i believe). It is only happening on my sativa.
Im wondering if it is ph related (causing "like you said" some sort of micro nutrient lock out).
OR
Because I changed my water..

Should I be setting my ph range from 5-6 or 5.8-6.5? Im noticing it more now that im down mainly between 5.0-5.8

i'm a hydro grower, i like the ph to be 5.5-6 in soil i think you want it slightly higher 5.8-6.5. my friend who is growing in soil at the minute is suffering much worse problems than you at the minute( his ph is 7.2 going in and 5.2 coming out), i think your plants look healthy,as i said in the earlier post, i think these leaves will be normal when they grow a bit more.

ghb said:

i'm a hydro grower, i like the ph to be 5.5-6 in soil i think you want it slightly higher 5.8-6.5. my friend who is growing in soil at the minute is suffering much worse problems than you at the minute( his ph is 7.2 going in and 5.2 coming out), i think your plants look healthy,as i said in the earlier post, i think these leaves will be normal when they grow a bit more.

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Thanks, I have soil in flower and hydro in veg, both rooms show same signs. Only on the sativa, only became prominant in the past few days, just trying to jump on the ball.

For your friend what type water is he using? My water was giving my lots of problems! especially ph instability!

he uses straight tap water, 150 ppm 7.2 ph. strange how it is happening in the veg and flower girls, hard one to fathom. usually the first 2-4 weeks of flower the plant demands a lot of the micronutrients, i think in sat dom plants the "stretch phase" takes a lot out of them, keep em green and you will be a happy camper.

try uping the ppm

Upping the ppm is really what Im doing. ive been going up slowly from 600 to 1000. But im still learning how to measure the nutes and how much does what per gallon of water.

I just hit the veg with 750 the morning I noticed the wilting. The flower is at 950. I plan to run my veg around 800ppm and flower 1000-1200. Does that sound about riight?

Thanks agian man!

too hot in there. lower the temp or humidity.

Dustybowlz said:

This is happening on lower branches not even close to the light as well as upper leaves at the top cola, only thing consistant is it is younge leaves..... immobile nute is affected. If it was an mobile nute the older leaves would "help" out the youngers and the youngers wouldnt be affected, the olter ones would once they ran out of what ever nute they were "helping" out with.

Veg room temps are 78 max regularly 75 (differences may be due to location of temp probe?)
Flower temps are 75 max regularly 73

Both rooms have circ fans on timers that run on lights on.

I use a hand held pyrometer to shoot the top colas on all plants to make sure it stays within reason.

Veg colas temps are 75 max regularly 72
Flower temps are 75 max and regularly 72

Veg I run a 400w MH one foot off canopy.
Flower I run a 600w HPS one foot off canopy.

Both rooms average 40-50% RH

The only thing I changed was was my water.

Im going to take some photos tonight when the lights turn on....Give me 10 mins, Ill go get some from veg..

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What should I change it to?

So I raised the light and leaf temps dropped to around 67 and growth slowed. Heat is NOT my issue.

I raised my ph from 5.6-5.8 to around 6.0-6.1 over a week, so far no notable change.

At first I added 8ml of cal/mag to each bucket and folliar few with 1/4 strength lightly.

Then I flushed and refilled each bucket but this time I also added 6ml of cal mag.

Then I folliar fed again with 1/4 strength nutes.

I then lowered the light untill leaf temps were in the 75* range.

The 3 from seed are very light green, looks like it needs N.The top two fan leaves are also rolling like a taco? Running 500ppm/ ph 6.0
The one whitewiddow/NL I have hasent budged at all since I got it.... The guy I got it from has the same ones in the exact same set up and his are growing fine.
My Pineapple express and the big grape god show signes of a nute def on a few middle of the plant old growth fan leaves.
My grape god (stunted one in DWC) looks "ok" at the top 6", under that it looks the same.
My grape god (big ass one in DWC) still has all its leaves all droopy?
My grape god in soil girls seem to be getting over it. The leaves at the top 8" are starting to straighten but the lowers are the same.

The guy at advanced nutrients said he asked everyone up there and they all looked at my photos and say I have an over watering issue....

I dont even know where to begin?

Wilting is still present although it is minimal. I can tell most are straightening out. There are other issues and deficiencys showing. Not sure if its related or somthing different... I guess things are getting a bit better in there.

This is as of now....



I have some odd streaking




Here are some nute def, I thought maybe I oversprayed spinosad at one point when I thought I had thrips. Maybe? Maybe not?