Will The Presidency Lift Federal Prohibition?

ImissATARI

ImissATARI

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my supervisors niece (2 years old) passed away today while under foster care. She found some perscription meds and ate them. The exact meds are not yet known and facts are being straightened out. Word is right now she must of thought it was candy and somehow got into it.

I don't say that to depress, but a "safe" legal drug has killed many.

Recently I lost a very dear friend of mine to perscription drug addiction.

My grandmother passed from alcoholism, her husband (my grandfather) died from cancer from smoking.

How in the hell marijuana is not legal, I will never figure out.

I would rather smoke then drink, as many people would. You don't get a hangover like you do with alcohol, but maybe feel "hazy" the next day, nothing like sitting on the couch for 2 days sippin water.

I am so pissed. Marijuana is put up to the levels of cocaine, heroin, meth. Smokers are ridiculed by the media and others who have succumb to propaganda. Police think they are king shit by getting a small private grow, or find a field with a few plants.

The problem? Too many fat bastards are making money off legal, regulated drugs. This country is so scared of change, look at the fucking auto industry. They have FAILED because of reliance on the industrial age. No innovation has sealed their fate, while millions of workers, putting full faith in those with the "gold" (those who have gold, have the power) believe their positions are secure.

The FDA requires any substance that helps an ailment to be regulated. Anything that says it fixes anything much be approved. Wouldn't it be in their best interest to keep common herbal remedies from being frowned upon? They slam anything that fixes anything until you dance to their tune.

The war on drugs is a joke, and this country is a joke. when a president can lose the general election by popular votes yet lead this country into the crapper for 8 years, when the betterment of the PEOPLE is outweighed by the CHECKBOOKS of a few. WHEN 95% OF THE COUNTRIES WEALTH IS HELD BY 5% OF THE POPULATION, we have a problem.

THE PROBLEM? THE 5% HOLD THE POWER, THE 5% REGULATE THE MEDIA, the 5% WLL DO ANYTHING THEY CAN TO HIDE THE TRUTH, AND THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT. HOW CAN YOU WIN THAT FIGHT?
 
lambofgod420

lambofgod420

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obama said that he didnt know what decriminalization was when he answered that question in 2004. if they were to do anything they would decriminalize it before they legalize it. they would tax it and u would only be able to have so much. i think we may end up paying like $20 a g. and u wouldnt be able to grow it without a stamp just like with tobacco
 
GKF420

GKF420

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I honestly can't believe pot is illegal. It's a PLANT that we're not able to grow legally. How much bullshit is that? I don't think any president will be brave enough to try to legalize it. Their opponents would use it to their advantage and label them as a drug addict. I'm sure people think marijuana is this bad thing that ruins everyones lives and it's bad for you blah blah blah especially because of all the money being spent on promoting these stupid drug free commercials about marijuana. Marijuana has done more good than bad for me. How about I make a commercial about marijuana helping me. Why does a drug have to be worse than alcohol? What good has marijuana done? ALOT! What good has alcohol done? NOTHING! COME ON! IT'S JUST A PLANT! LISTEN TO BOB MARLEY!
 
NomadicSky

NomadicSky

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CrackerJax said:
But that's not how it would have been set up. Grows would still be a no go. Same with what would then be "black market" buying and selling. Of course the price would fall out so bootlegging would cease to exist.



out. :blsmoke:
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Maybe, maybe not. People can legally grow their own tobacco.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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ImissATARI said:
my supervisors niece (2 years old) passed away today while under foster care. She found some perscription meds and ate them. The exact meds are not yet known and facts are being straightened out. Word is right now she must of thought it was candy and somehow got into it.

I don't say that to depress, but a "safe" legal drug has killed many.

Recently I lost a very dear friend of mine to perscription drug addiction.

My grandmother passed from alcoholism, her husband (my grandfather) died from cancer from smoking.

How in the hell marijuana is not legal, I will never figure out.

I would rather smoke then drink, as many people would. You don't get a hangover like you do with alcohol, but maybe feel "hazy" the next day, nothing like sitting on the couch for 2 days sippin water.

I am so pissed. Marijuana is put up to the levels of cocaine, heroin, meth. Smokers are ridiculed by the media and others who have succumb to propaganda. Police think they are king shit by getting a small private grow, or find a field with a few plants.

The problem? Too many fat bastards are making money off legal, regulated drugs. This country is so scared of change, look at the fucking auto industry. They have FAILED because of reliance on the industrial age. No innovation has sealed their fate, while millions of workers, putting full faith in those with the "gold" (those who have gold, have the power) believe their positions are secure.

The FDA requires any substance that helps an ailment to be regulated. Anything that says it fixes anything much be approved. Wouldn't it be in their best interest to keep common herbal remedies from being frowned upon? They slam anything that fixes anything until you dance to their tune.

The war on drugs is a joke, and this country is a joke. when a president can lose the general election by popular votes yet lead this country into the crapper for 8 years, when the betterment of the PEOPLE is outweighed by the CHECKBOOKS of a few. WHEN 95% OF THE COUNTRIES WEALTH IS HELD BY 5% OF THE POPULATION, we have a problem.

THE PROBLEM? THE 5% HOLD THE POWER, THE 5% REGULATE THE MEDIA, the 5% WLL DO ANYTHING THEY CAN TO HIDE THE TRUTH, AND THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT. HOW CAN YOU WIN THAT FIGHT?
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Exactly why redistribution of wealth is a charade and will only make everyone suffer. You have hit the nail on the head, perhaps without knowing it :-P.

You could give everyone the exact same amount of monies, land, etc. and not too far down the road, 5% of the population would be far out ahead of the rest. It happens every time....

The 5% pull the cart for the rest of the 95%. Be grateful.

The fact is one need look no farther than MJ to see greed. And that's on our end boyz, not theirs.....


:peace:



out. :blsmoke:
 
NomadicSky

NomadicSky

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monkeyboy22 said:
seriously you cant bash the guy yet.. he didnt have all the facts before becoming pres elect and also he hasnt really taken any action on anything yet since he cant till Jan 20th..

I say we at least give him a few months in office before we start bashing.. at least then we will know wtf the guy is really about since he will have had time to prove himself...
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Obama promised way to much during his campaign everything was his issue.

And if everything is your issue then nothing is.

I voted for McCain I'd have rather had someone who I at least knew where they stood than "Change".

He's in now, I'm really anxious to find out what he's actually going to change.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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NomadicSky said:
Obama promised way to much during his campaign everything was his issue.

And if everything is your issue then nothing is.

I voted for McCain I'd have rather had someone who I at least knew where they stood than "Change".

He's in now, I'm really anxious to find out what he's actually going to change.
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You will give him 100 dollars and he will give you change.... see? everyone's happy.



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CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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NomadicSky said:
Maybe, maybe not. People can legally grow their own tobacco.
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Yes, but economics kicks in again,...you can't produce a lb. of tobacco cheaper than Philip Morris.

People are like electricity, they will nearly always take the path of least resistance, even if it's detrimental sometimes.

So how long are you going to mess with nutes and bugs and everything else when all your buddies just walk to the corner store and buy a pack of joints for less than the price of your nutrients?

You may be stubborn, i don't know :lol: but the MAJORITY will opt out of growing and simply take the walk to the store, don't you think?



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monkeyboy22

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CrackerJax said:
Yes, but economics kicks in again,...you can't produce a lb. of tobacco cheaper than Philip Morris.

People are like electricity, they will nearly always take the path of least resistance, even if it's detrimental sometimes.

So how long are you going to mess with nutes and bugs and everything else when all your buddies just walk to the corner store and buy a pack of joints for less than the price of your nutrients?

You may be stubborn, i don't know :lol: but the MAJORITY will opt out of growing and simply take the walk to the store, don't you think?



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you can basically grow all your own fruits and veggies too but look at how many would much rather go to the store :joint:
 
NomadicSky

NomadicSky

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CrackerJax said:
Yes, but economics kicks in again,...you can't produce a lb. of tobacco cheaper than Philip Morris.

People are like electricity, they will nearly always take the path of least resistance, even if it's detrimental sometimes.

So how long are you going to mess with nutes and bugs and everything else when all your buddies just walk to the corner store and buy a pack of joints for less than the price of your nutrients?

You may be stubborn, i don't know :lol: but the MAJORITY will opt out of growing and simply take the walk to the store, don't you think?



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I agree.

But I wouldn't be growing it to sell just for NomadicSky.

However if I could just hop over to my local head shop and buy it I would. I'd still rater roll my own joints than let Philip Morris do it for me.
 
NomadicSky

NomadicSky

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CrackerJax said:
You will give him 100 dollars and he will give you change.... see? everyone's happy.



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I'm not unhappy with him at all, I went to see him debate John McCain when they were in Oxford.

They are both crooked political folks out for themselves, John McCain just seemed to be more honest about it. Although Sarah Palin...what a pos. I'm sorta glad McCain lost just on the off chance he died in office and left her to be the president.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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NomadicSky said:
I'm not unhappy with him at all, I went to see him debate John McCain when they were in Oxford.

They are both crooked political folks out for themselves, John McCain just seemed to be more honest about it. Although Sarah Palin...what a pos. I'm sorta glad McCain lost just on the off chance he died in office and left her to be the president.
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I tend to agree with you....

Although since they just discovered three times the entire continentals U.S. supply in natural gas up in Alaska (it's frozen...go figure), Palin still holds some cards to play. Obama will be going to her at some point with hat in hand. She will be gracious.



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pepperfan9888

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even though that 5% does pretty much control the govt. i think that the kids being born now will see at least decriminalization. more and more people are learning the truth about it... and HOPEFULLY politics wont be SO bad. i just like to think that the old traditional people by that time will be gone... i think that as every generation goes by.. more and more people have more open minds.. (i mean look... we voted in a half black guy, which was unheard of)

:bigjoint:
 
OregonMeds

OregonMeds

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Nobody else here has stayed up on the news?
A short while back, weeks, the DEA did a raid in cali on some dispensaries or other medical ops and a few days later Obama (via his press secretary in a televised conference) ordered the DEA directly to stay away from medical and enforce the law within his guidlines outlined in his campaign.

So, many of you already won and didn't know it. You should be lighting up in celebration because at this point medical people are finally safe. (at least only while Obama is in office unless there is further legislation.)


There was nothing in writing, but they did that in front of the camera's and it was on CNN and someone will seriously get their ass kicked now if they disobey.

Final legislation probably will not happen until he appoints someone new to head the Justice dept or DEA but actually the new Attorney General has authority over them and could do it and so could the pres.

Unfortunately as we all know there are bigger fish to fry... But either way we win.

The DEA either honors the verbal order or breaks it, both being good for us. We already saw the coverage this first transgression got, it was covered by just about all newspapers and TV channels and all over the web.
 
Kant

Kant

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OregonMeds said:
Nobody else here has stayed up on the news?
A short while back, weeks, the DEA did a raid in cali on some dispensaries or other medical ops and a few days later Obama (via his press secretary in a televised conference) ordered the DEA directly to stay away from medical and enforce the law within his guidlines outlined in his campaign.

So, many of you already won and didn't know it. You should be lighting up in celebration because at this point medical people are finally safe. (at least only while Obama is in office unless there is further legislation.)
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this isn't entirely true. he's come out via his press secretary to say that the raids will end but there's still no official presidential mandate declaring that the dea must stay away from state approved medical dispensaries.
 
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pepperfan9888

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its not a win for the non-medical use states though... i like what Hawaii has done on the big island.... MJ as lowest priority.. way to go Hawaii!
 
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utbob

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Not a chance of happening. For one Congress is way too closely divided to make happen (all the Republicans left are conservatives) and for two there is no way Obama would use his political capital (and it would take an IMMENSE amount of political capital) on marijuana when there are so many other much more important and pressing issues at the moment.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Obama can adopt the Dutch philosophy and work it from the top down (psst...everything works that way, don't tell anyone). Weed is officially against the law in the Nederlands, on paper that is (rolling?). They just don't prosecute. So if things get out of hand they still have leverage over the industry. Obama could do the same. Once the attitude trickles down.....it will be the same as A-dam. If you don't act the fool, you will have no worries....simple things like not in front of the kids, schools, etc.


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budder

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I honestly don't think the Feds will ever legalize it..It keeps too many dea's employed, to have to "fight" it.. They're admitting defeat if it's legal..I fuckin hope I'm WAY wrong, though..;-)
 
Kant

Kant

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I think the biggest problem is in the controlled substance act. Even if obama legalized it or congress legalized all the DEA has to do is submit cannabis to the HHS and so long as the HHS recommends that cannabis be regulated (usually they give a level) the DEA can regulate it at "any level deemed necessary" so that means if the HHS recommend it be schedule 5, the DEA can put it back at schedule 1. The only part of the recommendation that the DEA has to adhere to is whether or not the substance should be regulated. HOWEVER there's more, under the emergancy provision articles of the controlled substance act, the DEA can declare a substance any schedule if it's deemed an emergancy. Exstacy was placed as schedule 1 this way.
 
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