Will Ocean forest soil destroy benefecial natural bacteria?

OldMedUser said:

Cannabis/hemp is one of the most efficient plants for absorbing contaminants from the soil it's grown in and no amount of fermentation or other mumbo-jumbo will prevent it from bio-accumulating whatever toxins are present.

It was planted in massive amounts around the Chernobyl disaster expressly to suck up the radioactive and metallic toxins in the soil. The finished plants were harvested and burned at a secret location.

It's like taking cheap vitamin b-12 made from cyano-cobalamin compared to one made from methyl-cobalamin. With the first you get a little cyanide with every dose and with the 2nd you don't. I know which one I spend my money on.

Any type of toxin in a material you grow consumable plants in will end up in your body.

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I was just talking about bioremeditaion not phytoremediation. That works great too. Sunflowers and comfrey are the best plants to use for phytoremediation. Comfrey roots will grow as much as 20 feet deep or til it reaches the water table below the surface. Depending on the level of contamination that can up to a few years or more. You can do that along with bokashi, em1 or lab to expediate the process. Bokashi has been used all over the world to clean up water bodies contaminated with high salinity of sulfates, acids, phos / algae blooms, heavy metals, and all kinds of chemicals.

Teraganix the company that makes and sells em1 has cleaned up waste for cities and counties just using em1 and bokashi.

Theres no mumbo jumbo about it. Lactobacillus will remove heavy metals


https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijmicro/2017/9869145/


https://www.banglajol.info/index.php/BJM/article/view/39605

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0174521


https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jsfa.7725

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=lactobacillus+bioremediation+oxford+journals&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&u=#p=Ooid1yCtDIkJ

This is just a blog. It talks about Chernobyl and phytoremediation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sensiseeds.com/en/blog/hemp-decontamination-radioactive-soil/amp/

If you grow in a media lacking toxins then you don't have to be concerned. The plants will still get more than you want no matter how you figure your remediation if the toxins are there.

Not interested in following up on a bunch of hand-picked links. I don't eat fast food tho it's considered safe if you read the right studies too. Still garbage.

Thanks for the input.

hyroot said:

Omri is just a list They dont do any testing or have anything tested. Companies just pay a fee to get on the list. That's it. Hald the companies that are omri listed are not even close to organic


You can check the cdfa site or the oda site to see what the ingredients in each product is. They're required to disclose everything when registering products with the state dept of agriculture

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Ill reiterate then..

To each their own.. no need to argue semantics here.

OldMedUser said:

If you grow in a media lacking toxins then you don't have to be concerned. The plants will still get more than you want no matter how you figure your remediation if the toxins are there.

Not interested in following up on a bunch of hand-picked links. I don't eat fast food tho it's considered safe if you read the right studies too. Still garbage.

Thanks for the input.

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Hand pic links lol. Ignorance is your bliss huh. They're all .university studies. The last link is from Oxford University. Rodale institute even has studies on it.

You can stay ignorant no sweat off my back.

hyroot said:

Hand pic links lol. Ignorance is your bliss huh. They're all .university studies. The last link is from Oxford University. Rodale institute even has studies on it.

You can stay ignorant no sweat off my back.

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Just not something I deem worthy of consideration at this time. If it was affecting me then I'd be all over it but like any other area of knowledge there are only so many subjects you can sink your teeth into before you realize you've bitten off more than you can chew much less digest.

No disrespect intended but I have a lot on my plate and no room for anything other than gravy to cover it all up for a while before I have to dig in and get rid of it.

I am ignorant of a lot more topics than I am cognizant or competent about but greatly aware of and competent in many as well and I'm good with that.

Jack of all trades with a diploma in one if chemistry can be called a trade. Environmental chemistry as well so 30 years ago this was likely a subject I wrote an exam about and is tucked away back in a lifetime of memories in that organic hard drive I call my mind. lol

Can't remember shit about calculus either but that may be a suppressed memory because of the trauma it caused me. Trig was something I could grok at the time but mostly forgotten now too. I can go off on a tangent without even thinking of trig so something must of sunk in.

Have a great remediation!

hyroot said:

Like I said. Add bokashi microbes will bioremediates the soil breaking down and removing the heavy metals. It can also be used to clean up polluted lakes and ponds.

I use azomite in my bokashi. Its anti clumping.. No heavy metals are present after the fermenting process.

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Like I said I don't want the aluminum in the soil.

olaf687 said:

I was bit tricked into buying ocean forest I thought it was organic. But after doing more research it seems it has something more synthetic. My concern is I wanted my grow completely organic. I even added myco on the roots and plan on growing clover in the pots. I plan to add benefecial plants and insects around them. My concern is because my soil is mostly ocean forest will myco and the natural bacteria ever be able to develop? I did mix a good amount of roots organics, black gold, and some ancient forest. So its only probably about 40% ocean forest. I also plan to top dress with allpacco poop, crab meal, and blood meal for vegetative and fish powder, bat guano, rock dust for flowering.

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https://www.gardenmyths.com/rock-dust-remineralize-earth/

Rock Dust.

Some guys on YouTube tested rockdust in there garden vs leaf compost and the leaf compost had more minerals than the rock Dust. In big bold red they pointed out the high aluminum content in the rock Dust. The test also went on over the course of a few years, the control out performed the rockdust, the leaf compost out performed both.

OldMedUser said:

If you grow in a media lacking toxins then you don't have to be concerned. The plants will still get more than you want no matter how you figure your remediation if the toxins are there.

Not interested in following up on a bunch of hand-picked links. I don't eat fast food tho it's considered safe if you read the right studies too. Still garbage.

Thanks for the input.

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I agree with you. I rather not put it in the soil to begin with. I'm not gonna eat something poisoning and say it's okay because this pill will neutralize this poison... maybe.

Some scientist performed something in there controlled environment and worked it until it worked great! My environment is different than a scientist, different result. It why clones are from the same place grown in different rooms and different results occur. Those buds get tested for aluminum guranteed, it's going to be there. I don't use certain deordorant to avoid aluminum, I damn sure not putting it in my food/smoke. Especially when there are better, faster, cheaper options for trace minerals that won't take decades to break down.

toomp said:

Like I said I don't want the aluminum in the soil.

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Aluminum and alumina oxide are not the same thing..

There wont be any alumina oxide in there after the soil cooks. Read up on biomremediation


It's like talking to a wall of ignorance

toomp said:

I agree with you. I rather not put it in the soil to begin with. I'm not gonna eat something poisoning and say it's okay because this pill will neutralize this poison... maybe.

Some scientist performed something in there controlled environment and worked it until it worked great! My environment is different than a scientist, different result. It why clones are from the same place grown in different rooms and different results occur. Those buds get tested for aluminum guranteed, it's going to be there. I don't use certain deordorant to avoid aluminum, I damn sure not putting it in my food/smoke. Especially when there are better, faster, cheaper options for trace minerals that won't take decades to break down.

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Oxford botany dept and rodale institue do a lot of their work on plants in green houses. Not sterile labs

hyroot said:

Aluminum and alumina oxide are not the same thing..

There wont be any alumina oxide in there after the soil cooks. Read up on biomremediation


It's like talking to a wall of ignorance

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Right. Just like the aluminum on the wheels of my car ain't the same as the aluminum on the ingredients list on a packaged slice of cake. But guess what? Its still toxic for consumption, not eating it. So I'm not putting useless rocks in a container that takes a century to break down from some volcano where nothing will grow for some small dose of trace minerals with quadruple the amount of toxins to give to some poor cancer patient to eat or some poor guy with Parkinson's, or autism when they already have issues breaking down metals internally when a pile of leaves has shown to provide double the minerals with out poison buds.

Sure you can pray the bokashi kills the aluminum but why chance it on a fad? Post soil tests guranteed it to test high

Aluminum doesn't even break down unless ph is very low from what I understand, lower than what highbush blueberries can tolerate which are acid loving plants. Your plants would probably die before they absorb aluminum. I read that humic/fulvic acids can break down aluminum without lowering ph and would like to know more about that myself.

MidwestGorilla219 said:

Aluminum doesn't even break down unless ph is very low from what I understand, lower than what highbush blueberries can tolerate which are acid loving plants. Your plants would probably die before they absorb aluminum. I read that humic/fulvic acids can break down aluminum without lowering ph and would like to know more about that myself.

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Bokashi and lab / em1 have a ph below 4.0.

Microbes naturally adjust the ph of soil to their needs.

toomp said:

Right. Just like the aluminum on the wheels of my car ain't the same as the aluminum on the ingredients list on a packaged slice of cake. But guess what? Its still toxic for consumption, not eating it. So I'm not putting useless rocks in a container that takes a century to break down from some volcano where nothing will grow for some small dose of trace minerals with quadruple the amount of toxins to give to some poor cancer patient to eat or some poor guy with Parkinson's, or autism when they already have issues breaking down metals internally when a pile of leaves has shown to provide double the minerals with out poison buds.

Sure you can pray the bokashi kills the aluminum but why chance it on a fad? Post soil tests guranteed it to test high

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I used to think the same way you do until i learned more about microbiology and the things microbes can do. If you want light reading to dive into. Start with Ellaine Ingham books and the teaming with microbes /nutrients / fungi books and then you can get into the microbiology 101, 110 books and so on. Some people have said they needed a dictionary on the side while they read the Teaming With.... books. They are pretty in depth and technical.