Will Fox Farm Grow Big KILL mycos?

ClamDigger

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Mycorrhiza and soil phosphorus levels
Curtis E. Swift, Ph.D.
Area Extension Agent (Horticulture)
Colorado State University Cooperative Extension
Tri River Area
Introduction:

Mycorrhizae are an integral part of most plants in nature (Giazninazzi et al., 1982)
and occur on 83% of dicotyledonous and 79% of monocotyledonous plant
investigated (Wilcox - 1996). All gymnosperms are reported as being mycorrhizal
(Newman & Reddell, 1987). Infection of the root system of the plant by these fungi
creates a symbiotic (beneficial) relationship between the plant and fungus.
Upon root infection and colonization, mycorrhizal fungi develop an external
mycelium which is a bridge connecting the root with the surrounding soil (Toro et al.
1997). One of the most dramatic effects of infection by mycorrhizal fungi on the host
plant is the increase in phosphorus (P) uptake (Koide, 1991) mainly due to the
capacity of the mycorrhizal fungi to absorb phosphate from soil and transfer it to the
host roots (Asimi, et al. 1980). In addition, mycorrhizal infection results in an
increase in the uptake of copper (Lambert, Baker & Cole, 1979; Gildon & Tinker,
1983), zinc (Lambert, Baker & Cole, 1979), nickel (Killham & Firestone, 1983), and
chloride and sulphate (Buwalda, Stribley & Tinker, 1983). Mycorrhizae also are
known to reduce problems with pathogens which attack the roots of plants
(Gianinazzi-Pearson & Gianinazzi, 1983).

Influence of Phosphorus on Mycorrhizae:
The benefits listed above are greatest in P-deficient soils and decrease as soil
phosphate levels increase (Schubert & Hayman, 1986).
Very high and very low phosphorus levels may reduce mycorrhizal
infection/colonization (Koide, 1991). It is well established that:
�� infection by mycorrhizal fungi is significantly reduced at high soil phosphorus
levels (Amijee et al., 1989; Koide & Li, 1990)
�� the addition of phosphate fertilization results in a delay in infection as well as a
decrease in the percentage of infection of roots by mycorrhizae (deMiranda,
Harris & Wild, 1989; Asimi et al., 1989)
�� an increase in the level of soil phosphate results in a reduction in
chlamydospore production by the fungus (Menge, et al. 1978). These spores
are involved in root infection and spread of the fungus through the soil profile.
Research by Abbott and Robson (1979) concluded that levels of soil phosphorus
greater than that required for plant growth eliminated the development of the
arbuscles of vesicular-arbuscular (VA) types of mycorrhizae. Arbuscles are
structures produced within the host plant cells by the VA mycorrhizae. These
structures are responsible for the transfer of absorbed nutrients from the fungus to
the plant. The arbuscles resemble miniature shrub-like trees (arbuscular = shrub in
Latin). Mosse (1973) reports adding phosphate results in no arbuscles forming.

What levels of P are critical?
When the soil level of bicarbonate-soluble phosphorus exceeded 140 mg kg -1 (140
parts per million) the rate of infection was found to decrease (Amijee et al. 1989).
Abbott and Robson (1977 & 1978) found the mycorrhizae Glomus fasciculatum
ceased to be effective when the soil level of phosphorus reached 133 mg kg -1 [133
parts per million (ppm)]. Schubert and Hayman (1986) found mycorrhizae was no
longer effective when 100 mg or more of P was added per kilogram of soil (100
ppm). Mycorrhizal infection virtually disappeared with the addition of 1.5 grams or
more of mono calcium phosphate per kilogram of soil (Mosse 1973). With small
additions of phosphorus fertilizer, entry points and fungal growth on the root surface
remained normal but arbuscles were small and fewer in number reducing the
effectiveness of the fungus/plant relationship. Other researchers have reported
mycorrhizal infections tend to die out in soils containing or given much phosphorus
(Baylis, 1967; Mosse, 1967). The development of mycorrhizal relationships were
found to be the greatest when soil phosphorus levels were at 50 mg kg -1 (50 ppm)
(Schubert & Hayman, 1986).
Summary and recommendations:

The benefits of mycorrhizae are greatest when soil phosphorus levels are at or
below 50 ppm (50 mg kg -1). Mycorrhizal infection of roots declines above this level
with little if any infection occurring above 100 ppm P even when soil is inoculated
with a mycorrhizae mix.

Prior to inoculating soil with mycorrhizae, a soil test should be conducted. If
phosphorus levels are greater than 50 ppm the addition of mycorrhizae will likely be
Mycorrhiza and soil phosphorus levels Colorado State University Cooperative Extension
ineffective.

The level of phosphorus in the plant also has been shown to influence the
establishment of VA mycorrhizae with high levels inhibiting colonization by
mycorrhizae (Menge, et al. 1978). Foliar applications of phosphorus therefore
should be avoided when inoculating soil with mycorrhizae.
 

max316420

Well-Known Member
Mycorrhiza and soil phosphorus levels
Curtis E. Swift, Ph.D.
Area Extension Agent (Horticulture)
Colorado State University Cooperative Extension
Tri River Area
Introduction:

Mycorrhizae are an integral part of most plants in nature (Giazninazzi et al., 1982)
and occur on 83% of dicotyledonous and 79% of monocotyledonous plant
investigated (Wilcox - 1996). All gymnosperms are reported as being mycorrhizal
(Newman & Reddell, 1987). Infection of the root system of the plant by these fungi
creates a symbiotic (beneficial) relationship between the plant and fungus.
Upon root infection and colonization, mycorrhizal fungi develop an external
mycelium which is a bridge connecting the root with the surrounding soil (Toro et al.
1997). One of the most dramatic effects of infection by mycorrhizal fungi on the host
plant is the increase in phosphorus (P) uptake (Koide, 1991) mainly due to the
capacity of the mycorrhizal fungi to absorb phosphate from soil and transfer it to the
host roots (Asimi, et al. 1980). In addition, mycorrhizal infection results in an
increase in the uptake of copper (Lambert, Baker & Cole, 1979; Gildon & Tinker,
1983), zinc (Lambert, Baker & Cole, 1979), nickel (Killham & Firestone, 1983), and
chloride and sulphate (Buwalda, Stribley & Tinker, 1983). Mycorrhizae also are
known to reduce problems with pathogens which attack the roots of plants
(Gianinazzi-Pearson & Gianinazzi, 1983).

Influence of Phosphorus on Mycorrhizae:
The benefits listed above are greatest in P-deficient soils and decrease as soil
phosphate levels increase (Schubert & Hayman, 1986).
Very high and very low phosphorus levels may reduce mycorrhizal
infection/colonization (Koide, 1991). It is well established that:
�� infection by mycorrhizal fungi is significantly reduced at high soil phosphorus
levels (Amijee et al., 1989; Koide & Li, 1990)
�� the addition of phosphate fertilization results in a delay in infection as well as a
decrease in the percentage of infection of roots by mycorrhizae (deMiranda,
Harris & Wild, 1989; Asimi et al., 1989)
�� an increase in the level of soil phosphate results in a reduction in
chlamydospore production by the fungus (Menge, et al. 1978). These spores
are involved in root infection and spread of the fungus through the soil profile.
Research by Abbott and Robson (1979) concluded that levels of soil phosphorus
greater than that required for plant growth eliminated the development of the
arbuscles of vesicular-arbuscular (VA) types of mycorrhizae. Arbuscles are
structures produced within the host plant cells by the VA mycorrhizae. These
structures are responsible for the transfer of absorbed nutrients from the fungus to
the plant. The arbuscles resemble miniature shrub-like trees (arbuscular = shrub in
Latin). Mosse (1973) reports adding phosphate results in no arbuscles forming.

What levels of P are critical?
When the soil level of bicarbonate-soluble phosphorus exceeded 140 mg kg -1 (140
parts per million) the rate of infection was found to decrease (Amijee et al. 1989).
Abbott and Robson (1977 & 1978) found the mycorrhizae Glomus fasciculatum
ceased to be effective when the soil level of phosphorus reached 133 mg kg -1 [133
parts per million (ppm)]. Schubert and Hayman (1986) found mycorrhizae was no
longer effective when 100 mg or more of P was added per kilogram of soil (100
ppm). Mycorrhizal infection virtually disappeared with the addition of 1.5 grams or
more of mono calcium phosphate per kilogram of soil (Mosse 1973). With small
additions of phosphorus fertilizer, entry points and fungal growth on the root surface
remained normal but arbuscles were small and fewer in number reducing the
effectiveness of the fungus/plant relationship. Other researchers have reported
mycorrhizal infections tend to die out in soils containing or given much phosphorus
(Baylis, 1967; Mosse, 1967). The development of mycorrhizal relationships were
found to be the greatest when soil phosphorus levels were at 50 mg kg -1 (50 ppm)
(Schubert & Hayman, 1986).
Summary and recommendations:

The benefits of mycorrhizae are greatest when soil phosphorus levels are at or
below 50 ppm (50 mg kg -1). Mycorrhizal infection of roots declines above this level
with little if any infection occurring above 100 ppm P even when soil is inoculated
with a mycorrhizae mix.

Prior to inoculating soil with mycorrhizae, a soil test should be conducted. If
phosphorus levels are greater than 50 ppm the addition of mycorrhizae will likely be
Mycorrhiza and soil phosphorus levels Colorado State University Cooperative Extension
ineffective.

The level of phosphorus in the plant also has been shown to influence the
establishment of VA mycorrhizae with high levels inhibiting colonization by
mycorrhizae (Menge, et al. 1978). Foliar applications of phosphorus therefore
should be avoided when inoculating soil with mycorrhizae.

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aussie dude

Member
hey every one .i have a question which i baffling me ,i have seeds from a hermi which is stunted although the seeds are fully mature .will these seeds be stunters to or will they grow to a normal size,also the bloke that polinated her is full size .wold love an answer i cant find it anywhere .
 

Wetdog

Well-Known Member
@wet, I got a feeling your one cool ass dude...
HAH!!!

I'll have to show this to my wife of 35 years whos term of endearment for me is, "you asshat".

Asshat MUST = cool ass dude ....right????? LOL She won't tell me what it means, but that must be it.

Wet
 

symbiote420

Well-Known Member
HAH!!!

I'll have to show this to my wife of 35 years whos term of endearment for me is, "you asshat".

Asshat MUST = cool ass dude ....right????? LOL She won't tell me what it means, but that must be it.

Wet
Lol Wet, that's some funny shit!!
 

Kingrow1

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So organics is totally fine for mycrozzial funghi etc etc? I have also seen them advertised on non organic ferts and supplements but i see a difference in synthetic ferts and inorganic ferts which arent synthetic, could this be why as inorganic ferts are more forgiving on the soil life than synthetic ferts. Peace
 

Kingrow1

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Yer i been seeing these inorganic ferts that are from salt minerals not synthetic minerals, they seem to accomodate the benificials such as mycos and trichroderma etc etc. I thought there were just synthetic and organic now there is inorganic in my world, sh!t just gets confusing but these inorganic companies subscribe to the organic way so they must support these benificials to some extent. Cal/mag is rarely organic so would consider it an inorganic supplement i think! God my head just want to explode working everything out, mother nature saw us coming and thought i'll screw with these growers!lol! Peace
 

Kingrow1

Well-Known Member
Lol, I know.

Got my mycos and trichos to day and other benificials as well as fulvic acid, thinking 15ml benificials per litre as i think thats what Vitalink suggest. Will only add once to plants in veg and hope they multiply keeping them going till end of flower. Fulvic going in every watering at 2ml a litre.

Get my biobizz fish mix and sensi bloom cal/mag nest week on tuesday. The calmag is the only non organic component to my grow as far as i can see. Should be good for them.

Damn i got 6/7 bottles to add to every feed now, confusing is not the right word.

You seen some good results with the mycos max? Just one dose last for the grow? Peace
 

max316420

Well-Known Member
I'm seeing crazy results so far, just started a new room (flowering) using mycos with all the ladies and so far so good.. don't wanna jinx myself lol I also just replanted another room but they are still in veggin, I used mycos madness on these ladies and from what I can see the xtreme gardening mycos is working far superior to the mm.. or the mm is just taking longer to start working? Either way I'm gonna go with the xtreme gardenings mycos cause I like the results i'm seeing better. Plus they have smaller packages of them that will do between 6-10 plants for around $2.50..
 

Kingrow1

Well-Known Member
Yer mine were a touch exspensive but seemed like the best ones on the British market and had the most different beneficials in. Lets hope i see the same results. You not thought of going organic or would it be inconvenient with so many plants? Peace
 

Wetdog

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Quit getting hung up on the term *organic*. There are many, MANY things that are 100% natural that could never be called 'organic' because they either contain no carbon, or were ever alive.

Any rock dust for example, like lime or glacial rock dust , or ...............

If you think in terms of 'natural' rather than organic, it's a lot easier to understand and get your head around it.

Wet
 

Kingrow1

Well-Known Member
Thankyou wet, this is what i was thinking with the non synthetic but inorganic ferts, although not organic they follow the same principle as organics by being totally healthy and good for the soil organisms.

If you dont mind explaining just a little futher dude would be greatly appreciated, they do add benificials to the ferts and range so was thinking they had little harm on the soil organisms. Peace
 

max316420

Well-Known Member
You know what else I have noticed after introducing mycos, I am seeing resin ALOT earlier then I normally would. Buds are just starting to pop out and they are coated with resin already. I know my bb strain and she doesn't usually start to really get sugary until like the 4th week in but i'm seeing it on the 2nd-3rd week and theres alot more of it.. call me crazy but i see's what i see's
 

Kingrow1

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i have seen this advertised also, says it helps plants finish flowering earlier, same with fulvic acid, guess the hype is true to some extent here!

Not one of my plants needed watering or feeding last night, gave one some fulvic and applied mycos to one seedling, soon i will be able to report back with my observations but give me a week first to get them in the soil. Peace
 
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