wierd shit with hijack

I have a plant doing some weird shit Ive never ran across before.
The center of a fan leaf starts to turn yellow and gradually gets more yellow until it dries up and start to wither.

I dont think its a nute problem as it dosent seem to be affecting any new growth yet.....

It dosent look like any insects that Ive dealt with before in the past and Ive dealt with a shitload of buggies before.

the only other thing I can think of that may be affecting it is that its been moved into an area where there isnt as much light, and Ive recentlly started to force flower it But if that was the cause it would be affecting its sibling plant thats having the same conditions as it is....

here is a shot of 2 leaves that are now on their second day of looking like this

here is a shot of the underside of one of the leaves, I see no damage there....


here is a shot of one that is on its 3rd day of looking this way and its almost totally dead in the affected area.


this is a leaf which is the oldest on the plant, I think it may be showing signs of getting this shit too. The spot Im looking at is circled in red


here is the sibling plant that is being force flowered sitting right next to it. I see no sign of this problem in this one


I see no bugs on either plant that are consistent but theres always 1 or 2 random ones on them. Theres never 1 or 2 of the same type either.
i gave it about a liter of water to give it a littl flush in case this is a nute problem. Even my smaller ones @ 5 nodes high have been getting the same feeding ratio though so I have no idea whats up.

By the way these plants were both in total shade when I took the pics. The yellowed areas kind of look like sunlight shining on the leaves in an odd way....

How hots the weather ?

Could be ph also could be nutes....do you ph your water or do you have some sort of system to catch your water for you when it rains ? Ive had this happen to me before and come to find out it was the nutrients making my leaves do the same thing. Just water with regular water for a week or so and see if the damage heals ??

How is the drainage? are they in pots or in the ground? How is the soil at the top and at the very bottom if they are in pots? What are you feeding them?
Is the area have a lot of pine trees in it?

TheGardenMan said:

How hots the weather ?

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getting up into the 100's lots of days last week and part of this week but that shouldent be any problem, their area is slightly shaded now where as they were in full sun from seed up until last week. Also I think if it was heat the smaller ones and (hopefully sister) sibling sitting beside it would be affected.
It has also been in the 75-85 range the past 2 days.

TheGardenMan said:

Could be ph also could be nutes....do you ph your water or do you have some sort of system to catch your water for you when it rains ? Ive had this happen to me before and come to find out it was the nutrients making my leaves do the same thing. Just water with regular water for a week or so and see if the damage heals ??

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ph is somewhere betweeen 6.5 and 7.0 although I try to keep it @ 6.8.
I started using baking soda to lower my ph recentlly instead of ph down and its been working fine. I think if that were a factor then the smaller plants I have and seedlings would have been hit with these symptoms first.

This plant has been given the same steady weak nutrient formula that all my other plants have. I dont feed every watering. My last feeding was 4-5 days ago as well. generally the biggest sing of overnuting is burning in the leaf tips and new growth.

This shit started in the center? And in the center of the leaves, not from the tips.

I think it may have been some kind of nute lock out or something

I also thought that the pH could be out if it is in a pine forest area it will be very acidic.

Lacy said:

How is the drainage? are they in pots or in the ground? How is the soil at the top and at the very bottom if they are in pots? What are you feeding them?
Is the area have a lot of pine trees in it?

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They are in buckets with a bunch of holes in them. Both are 2 gallon buckets.
Ive been putting them in a trashcan @ night for 12 hours a day to start force flowering them.

Ive been feeding them some cheap perters 20-20-20 food that I picked up @ a dollar store (better nutes are on the way now but before recently I havent had $ to get any more after I ran out). I havent been feeding them very strong.
I actually just topped off their soil with about a gallon more because their pots werent full but about halfway.

I dont know what it could be. Especially since the other one that has been treated in the EXACT same manner isnt doing it.

if you had these under HIDs i would confidently say light burn. Maybe this plant is more sensitive to the sun's powerful UV rays than its siblings. Were they indoor seedlings?

yellow tips screams N deficiency but this is just a few leaves and are yellowing between the veins in the middle of the leaf - not the tips - but no signs of crispiness or browning. that makes me think secondary nute deficiency like zinc or something offbeat like that.

is it just a few leaves on one plant and not getting any worse or spreading? if so - i would probably do nothing major - just keep a close eye on it in case the problem spreads.

Lacy said:

I think it may have been some kind of nute lock out or something

I also thought that the pH could be out if it is in a pine forest area it will be very acidic.

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it stormed here 2 days ago like all night long, was actually a pretty bad thunderstorm too. I went out there @ 8am like scheduled to get the plants out of the hole and the dirt in the can (its just pored into the bottom) was still dry so they get NO outdoor water unless it rains during the day (which it hasnt in 2 weeks)

and there are no pine trees around.

Im going to give it a couple gallons of clean phed well water this evening @ nightfall and see if that makes it or breaks it.

email468 said:

if you had these under HIDs i would confidently say light burn. Maybe this plant is more sensitive to the sun's powerful UV rays than its siblings. Were they indoor seedlings?

yellow tips screams N deficiency but this is just a few leaves and are yellowing between the veins in the middle of the leaf - not the tips - but no signs of crispiness or browning. that makes me think secondary nute deficiency like zinc or something offbeat like that.

is it just a few leaves on one plant and not getting any worse or spreading? if so - i would probably do nothing major - just keep a close eye on it in case the problem spreads.

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I moved the plants into an area that gets about 2 hours less direct sun a day a week ago. These are the ones that were started indoors in my pc and moved outdoors a month ago that I have in that other journal you subscribe to.
It has gotten worse and spread to a few other fans on the plant
it starts yellowing slightly in the center and gets more yellow moving outwards a bit slowly. It gets yellow to the point it turns brownish tan and feels kind of like leather.
I gave it a spoonfull of epsum salt with its water (2gallons) last week so I dont think Its a secondary nute problem.

kochab said:

I moved the plants into an area that gets about 2 hours less direct sun a day a week ago. These are the ones that were started indoors in my pc and moved outdoors a month ago that I have in that other journal you subscribe to.
It has gotten worse and spread to a few other fans on the plant
it starts yellowing slightly in the center and gets more yellow moving outwards a bit slowly. It gets yellow to the point it turns brownish tan and feels kind of like leather.
I gave it a spoonfull of epsum salt with its water (2gallons) last week so I dont think Its a secondary nute problem.

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so it does turn into something that looks like nute burn - this can be caused by pH fluctuation also.

you've treated for mg def. with the epsom salts.

email468 said:

so it does turn into something that looks like nute burn - this can be caused by pH fluctuation also.

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I have been @ 6.5-7.0 since the seeds were started. It ends up looking like nute burn on a part of the leaf but the only nute burn Ive ever seen starts @ the tip and then moves back to the stem of the leaf.

this started in the center like this, maybe If I re arrange the pictures you can see it better
starts out looking like this in a way. Look where the red circle is and youll notice that the green on the leaf has started to fade to a yellow sickly color.


then it moves on to looking as bad as this


you can see this a bit clearer in the above picture near the bottom (its a node lower). The leaf turns to a dried out leathery yellow thing. It dosent crunch when you touch it but it dosent feel "full of moisture" like a normal leaf either...

email468 said:

you've treated for mg def. with the epsom salts.

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yeah It also hits a couple trace nutrients as well. Ive never had it do this though?

this was the plant on the 11th. Unfortunately I didnt take any pics of it closer, but Im quite sure I couldent see any signs of this then

anyone thought of a way to save my plant yet

Im gonna go flush it brb.

That was my first thought email but I was confused because trhey were outdoors. That is exactly how mine look when they get scorched and since it wasn't happening to the smaller leaves it had to be something from before.

email468 said:

if you had these under HIDs i would confidently say light burn. Maybe this plant is more sensitive to the sun's powerful UV rays than its siblings. Were they indoor seedlings?

yellow tips screams N deficiency but this is just a few leaves and are yellowing between the veins in the middle of the leaf - not the tips - but no signs of crispiness or browning. that makes me think secondary nute deficiency like zinc or something offbeat like that.

is it just a few leaves on one plant and not getting any worse or spreading? if so - i would probably do nothing major - just keep a close eye on it in case the problem spreads.

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Yes I would agree completely. I do not see anything majorly wrong worth worrying about. The plant is growing healthy now and I would not even worry about the tiny pepper like spots. They might clear up on there are.

The only thing I do strongly suggest to get the plants out of the pots and top up the soil from the bottom not the top. I read that you topped up the soil at the top. Thats not generally a good idea.
Plants need extra soil where there roots are growing.
Also I am not sure whether the metal is affects the pH balnce or not. i have never used metal for that very reason.

Lacy said:

That was my first thought email but I was confused because trhey were outdoors. That is exactly how mine look when they get scorched and since it wasn't happening to the smaller leaves it had to be something from before.


Yes I would agree completely. I do not see anything majorly wrong worth worrying about. The plant is growing healthy now and I would not even worry about the tiny pepper like spots. They might clear up on there are.

The only thing I do strongly suggest to get the plants out of the pots and top up the soil from the bottom not the top. I read that you topped up the soil at the top. Thats not generally a good idea.
Plants need extra soil where there roots are growing.
Also I am not sure whether the metal is affects the pH balnce or not. i have never used metal for that very reason.

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no babe not metal pots. Plastic buckets that are similar to 5gallon buckets, only 2 gallon size.
The only reason I added in that extra soil was because there were roots forming on the top couple inches of dirt which usually dosent happen because the soil in pots generally stays really dry in the top 2 inches so roots dont form in those 2 inches.
I topped them off from the top because there were tiny roots coming off near the bottom 2" of the stalk that will make more root mass in the dirt I added. Happens alot to my plants because I feed them so well.
I took a few more pics when I flushed it as this is KILLING the leaves in big portions, not something I can just overlook and hope it goes away.


this is the leaf that is the worst so far


same leaf with flash on


If its a nute problem the flushing should take care of it so Ill know by tomorrow. Ill see how it is then and then be able to make a sound judgment on what I think it may be and what to do... Till then Im clueless.

Gosh. Ok sorry I did not see the plastic part.
Yes now this picture the leaf colour looks different. It looks yellowish, not white.

I have no idea and yes then you should have topped at the top.
That happens to me also from watering. The water erodes the top portion of the soil away at times and it needs to be replaced.

Yes. I am stumped myself.

Nutes at 20/20/20 I would use for vegging but now that you have turned the lights back you don't want something too high in nitrogen, alhtough I am not sure what is going on with yours. I use a 2-8-8- when flowering.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help to you .

Lacy said:

Gosh. Ok sorry I did not see the plastic part.
Yes now this picture the leaf colour looks different. It looks yellowish, not white.

I have no idea and yes then you should have topped at the top.
That happens to me also from watering. The water erodes the top portion of the soil away at times and it needs to be replaced.

Yes. I am stumped myself.

Nutes at 20/20/20 I would use for vegging but now that you have turned the lights back you don't want something too high in nitrogen, alhtough I am not sure what is going on with yours. I use a 2-8-8- when flowering.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help to you .

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thanks for trying babe, I got some fox farms on the way. veg and flower formula. This is all I have till it gets here though and I always give a couple last doses of veg food right when switching to flower too so I thought itd be alright.
It was probably this crappy grainy ass food....
Hope it dosent die before I can figure it out either. lol

Im gonna get off here for now, thanks for trying to help too before I forget.

no idea...sorry man