Widow Maker setup

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Nastydroaste

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Well here is my white widow grow 7 days in, along with two Skunk haze in 2 18 gallon dwc setup. My closet is 2.5x7x9 foot but i really want to use a little more than half the area so i can move around in there and have an area for clones. I have two questions. I have one outlet inside the closet running a fan, exhaust, pumps and my 400 w.hps making about 450 watts on a single outlet with no problems.

Now what i want to know is, would it be better to get another 400w hps or a smaller light 250 for my area? I guess you could say, what is the average amount of lights or watts a single socket can take? There is nothing else really running on the circuit and it is a breaker unit. Also what kinda grow do you recommend with my area (sog,scrog, ect.)along with any extra lighting i can add to give me maximum amount of buds given my limited area with one socket, Thanks.
 

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You need to check your breaker to see how many amps its rated. Then figure out how many amps your using. Then you can figure out what you can add.
 
Mr Green Man

Mr Green Man

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Hi, just looking at your set up.

Looks great. I'm basicly doing the same thing as you, but i'm on day 16 flowering.
I can give youa couple of tips form what I have lernt.

I have 2x 20Liter Rez
1x400W HPS

My socket is rated to 3200W but I would start feeling a bit scetched if I ran more than 1800W At the moment I'm running around 1000 out of it no problem, but check yours. you should be fine though.

A couple of things looking at your set up.

Are you air pumps on the floor? They should be higher than the Rez or have a valve to stop water backing up along the air line.

Do you ahve a fish tank thermomtor? put one in your rez to keep check of temps. your aiming for 19C or 66F.
You may have truble keeping the temps down. insolation will help loads. esspeahly on top when the plants are small and not blocking the light.

And this is the big problem with your set up.
You will need to check the PH at least once a day, top up the rez, check PPMS. in fact probably more than once a day.
In your set up at the moment this means you will have to pull out one of your rezes to get to the one at the back. this could become a nusens when the plants get big.

Don't knwo if there is much you can do about it though :/

400WHPS seems to be enough light for this set up.

Good luck.
 
Mr Green Man

Mr Green Man

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On second thoughts,

I'm growing from clone, so you may find you need more light as plants from seed tend to be a little bigger.
 
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Nastydroaste

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thanks for the input, yea i knew about the pump thing, I was going to make a little stand for them but just havent got around to it. I have already thought about all of those points in fact. Cause im currently using really high ppm tap water i have to check the ph twice a day so that sucks. But I ordered a reverse osmosis machine so that shouldnt be a problem in the future. Also have a tds/thermometer, and temps are good. I would like to see your grow do you have any pics?
 
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Blunted1

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Mr Green Man said:
My socket is rated to 3200W but I would start feeling a bit scetched if I ran more than 1800W At the moment I'm running around 1000 out of it no problem, but check yours. you should be fine though.[/quotE

Green Man, make sure your breaker is able to handle the load. Watt rating on a socket is different than the amp rating on a breaker. I believe the rule is to draw at max 85% of what your breaker is rated. Example... For a 10 amp breaker you should only pull 8.5 amps to be safe. Kind of sketchy wiring from a light socket. Don't want you to burn the house down!
Good Luck!!!:peace::joint::peace:
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Mr Green Man

Mr Green Man

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okay scetched out.

I moved rescently, The funny thing is that I was fully sure I had checked my breakers before I moved in. but I must have been tripping beacuse there a load of bolocks.

I have one 45amp Fuse that everything is wired directly into, I mean my entir house. and it is hot.
The thing is I'm not using lot of power at the moment.
just a
500Watt heater on low
400Watt light
150Watts of fans and pumps
a fridge
my computer
and 2 20 Watt CFLS

I'm on 230Volt
So thats no where near 45 amps?
Why is the fuse hot?
There is also signs of some burning around the socket but god knows how long that has been there.
I would offten be using 2x that much power.
None of the wires are hot, its just the fuse box.
I'm going to replace it, tomorrow, fuck that.

Any ways.

Here are some pics of my plants. and my scary electrics.

DWC 4 per Rez
2 Rez
400HPS

Day 16 flowering
36 Days total.
 

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Mr Green Man said:
okay scetched out.

I moved rescently, The funny thing is that I was fully sure I had checked my breakers before I moved in. but I must have been tripping beacuse there a load of bolocks.

I have one 45amp Fuse that everything is wired directly into, I mean my entir house. and it is hot.
The thing is I'm not using lot of power at the moment.
just a
500Watt heater on low
400Watt light
150Watts of fans and pumps
a fridge
my computer
and 2 20 Watt CFLS

I'm on 230Volt
So thats no where near 45 amps?
Why is the fuse hot?
There is also signs of some burning around the socket but god knows how long that has been there.
I would offten be using 2x that much power.
None of the wires are hot, its just the fuse box.
I'm going to replace it, tomorrow, fuck that.

Any ways.

Here are some pics of my plants. and my scary electrics.

DWC 4 per Rez
2 Rez
400HPS

Day 16 flowering
36 Days total.
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I'm only know the basics about wiring/breakers. And I know absolutely nothing about wiring on the other side of the pond! (thought you would like that expression) I would definately try to add another breaker dedicated solely to your set up. I know, easier said than done. After 2 months at my new spot I fried a receptical. While changing it I discovered it wasn't up to code. I replaced it with a commercial socket and added a huge surge protector. Haven't had a problem since.

Don't know why your box is hot, but until you get it fixed try not to run too many appliances at once. Example, heater, toaster oven, microwave, hair drier. All these appliances pull a lot of wattage. Computers, alarm clocks, lamps (not the grow kind) don't use too much.
Hope it all works out!:peace::joint::peace:
 
Mr Green Man

Mr Green Man

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Well if you want to see somethign scary look at this picture. This thing is in my bedroom!!!

This fuse is rated at 30 Amps and there is no way my light could have done that.

I would say that the fuse is loos or has degraded with age. as at the moment I am only using around 1k or 4 amps.

Thank you though. I never would have cheked it if not for you addvice there and I no that i would be dead soon if I hadn't. I think you just saved my life.
 

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FUCK! You can see where the flame came up, and the inside is black! I had some orange shit, but nothing like that. That was a close call! Does the burn smell fresh? My burnt receptical was on a line with a 20 amp breaker I only had my 1000w hooked up to it. I'll post a pic when I get it on my computer. :peace::joint::peace:
 
Mr Green Man

Mr Green Man

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No.
There is no smell atle.

I rekon that happened a long time ago.
It nearly burnt out but not quite, it's still working, it's just fucked, so it's getting hot with only a small amount of power going threw it.

I'm using it right now, I can't turn it off now, I will replace it first thing tomorrow morning.

It must have been like that for ages, but all the same, I don't think I'm going to sleep to well tonight. I don't even have a smoke alarm!!!
 
Virulent Amoeba

Virulent Amoeba

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While the circuit may be rated at 30Amps that is optimal continuous maximum! To be honest you should never put more than 80% load of a rated circuit. 30 * .8 = 24Amps Now you also have to figure Any and all loose connections will lower that capacity as will any Exterior scratches on the conductor. Electricity actually travels on the outside of a wire. Sometimes when stripping wire an electrician will marr the outer surface of the conductor also causing an increase in amperage.
 
Mr Green Man

Mr Green Man

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Thanks.

I have gotten rid of that unit and replaced it with. 3 Trips. a 6amp for lights, 32 for the plugs and a dedicated 20Amp trip for my room. that should be safe for about 3000W continus use.

I am running
400W HPS
125W CFL
Little Heater 500W - Max, but I only use it on its lowest setting.
a hand full of pumps and Fans, say 200W
I may add a 600W HPS at some piont, but I think I am good now.


Thanks for the addvice about the wire striping though, I have often wondered about that, I will be more carfull in the futer.
 
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