Widow Cindy, ebb and flow in rockwool from seed. The Epic.

Hello RIU! My first journal. Couldn't have done it without you! Never new I could have had this much fun either. Growing, I had only vaguely imagined, could be this fun. Hehe. I heard myslef exclaim "root porn!" the other day. Lol. Another day I absentminedly picked up a cactus and smelled it. Rofl.

First about me. I am a medical grower. My nerve damage leaves me in constant pain. For the past few years I have been a heavy opiate patient. I am going Zombie. Screw that. For the first few years it sure was fun lol. Now, no way. I used to smoke in high school with med patients. So i got my card and figured I'd dust the pipe off. Happy camper time.

About the grow. This is not my only grow. Currently I got 3 northern lights 4 weeks to the day in flower. Vegged them 5. I went for that germ 12 end up with 6 CA deal and I got three, lol. DAMN,. That's another story though.

About this grow. I got 2 widow cindy seeds. The gods of medical marijauna blessed me. Rofl.

-16 hour soak in 24 hour tapwater. Almost cracked as I pulled them out the glass.
-set up my seed dome seed tray (w/o insert) on a seed heat mat. Climate controlled cab at 75-80 degrees. 2 seeds went, en-shrouded in a wet paper towel onto a small plate with a coffee cup over it. In the seed tray i poured some water with a little h202 in it to keep the environment humid and clean.
-24 hours later both seeds had nice taproots.
-I planted them taproot down in 1.5 in rockwool. Presoaked and soaked with a little h202 and superthrive. I left the holes in and made little rockwool covers. I want them to work as little as possible! As little hermoe risk as they need. I am not perfect and with murphys law being what it is my seeds need all the help they can get. Lol.
-About 24 hours later I had little sprouts with cotelydons unfolding.
-I removed the seed dome and heat mat and placed the blocks 5 inchs or so under a 10k htg t5. 6500k veg lights. Temps at 75 to 80. Using a space heater to keep winter out.

This is where we are now.

Kinda sad. One is doing healthy. The other is knida shirveled and the cotleydon leaves are closed and wilted looking. I have thought about this and cant tell if it from to hi heat or to low. Maybe a plant thing is all I can hope for. The other is doing good for day 2 I think.

I am a little worried that they are slow. But I am being me, over critical. Lol, I wont rest ever but I will be alot happier if I can get them into veg.

It is only 2 unsexed seeds. But I have northern lights I am trying to clone. I plan to ultimately, for a while at least, run widow cindy and northern lights together. S I fig I will just try a few widow cindy at a time on the side of the northern lights for fun. Wish my ass some luck.

I plant to complete veg under either the t5, a 400 watt mh, or a 600 watt. Currently I am still getting setup. I have been only growing a few months. I got a 4x4x6.5 tent. A 400 watt hps/mh. A 6 inch 430 cfm inline attached to a euro hood and charcoal filter for exhaust. A 6 in duct booster intake. A 4 inch fan filter combo. A 10k lumen t5. A space heater. Fan. I plan during this grow to increase to wither a 600 or 1000 for flower. And to use the 400 for veg. I am using a 3x3 Botanicare ebb table in the tent and 4 in rockwool blocks in 5.25 turbogarden pots with mini cubes to make the diference up. I have gh 3 part nutes with flora micro hardwater, kool bloom, hydroguard, and bloombastic.

If I can get these widow cindy into veg they will go from these 1.5 rw blocks into 4 in rockwool blocks. There I will place them into an ebb and flow system.

First things first. Get them into veg and hope for at least one female. Worry about the northern lights somewhere else. Rofl.

I should add this. I recently lost a fem cheese seed due to adding a quarter strength of seed str nutes to the mix. A joke dose. Either that or the cold which I ignored got her. Pissed I was.

Also outa my three NL in flower only 1 is healthy. 2 were badly damaged by nutes. Outa 12 only 2 were damged but these 2 were part of my only 3 female! Ow.

So needless to say I am going to baby these babies like they were playmates. Models, actresses. Whatever. Lol.

All help is appreciated.

man I'd love to grow them beans! good luck man

Thanks for the link to your show.
Good luck with the Widow Cindy.

With only two beans
your odds are not good.

You might get a male.

If you do ,
maybe you can cross to the NL
on one bud
and make a few hybrid beans
of your own.

Are able to clone ?
.

Hello all.

Yeah, I am aware I might get a male. But with the random traffic I get I want to stick to my limit. I have told no one but the women in this area are all crazy, and I love it, ladies. Rofl.

What I am hoping is this is a side breeding project where I can veg some on the side of northern lights, like one or two, until I get x number of females to run with my NL.

Cloning. That's a messed up subject. The first time I went to clone I took 6 cuttings and imagining failure I dunked them in a coffee can with a bubbler air stone some superthrive and ro water and I got 6 sets of roots in a week.

2nd time I went out i went for rockwool and 30 norhtern lights clones. I did everything right, except they got too little water in the beginning. I corrected this with to much water and lost the whole crop.

Right now I got 2 northern lights clones I took 2 weeks into flower where I had to clip the bud off. I reverted to a dwc cloner with a massive amount of air. A coffe can. I hope one of these makes it and will go into a waterfarm to become a NL mother. If not I will reveg and try then. I dont want to start all over.

Although fem seeds right now might be better idea. I am pretty good at germing. Lol. not real hard though. It has been 10 days for the dwc cloner I got going now. Nothing. I got suerthrive, h202, and 24 tapwater and conditions around 70-80. It keeps freezing at night but I got a space heater trying to keep it at least over 80.

I am hopeful I will get a female outa the widow, if not now then in 7 weeks or so.

Some pics of 4 week northern. a

Oh yeah, last night it got sown to 70 for my sprouts, but they still alive.

Its funny, i had full roots at 10 days lst time I cloned. It was over 90 every day outside and I had only a little suerthrive. No cloning gel, no h202. Cake.

Now it freezing aoutside but I got them in 70 to 80 box. Mostly 75 when I am home. I can inly hope.

Sprouts I hope like this temp. Boring waiting.

thanks any for stopping by.

I assume you are using a plastic container,
metal cans can be a problem.

Warm temps are good for cloning,
but a problem later after you have roots.

Cloning gels are a waste.

I use RO water nuted to 200 ppm and pHed to 5.6

I spray my cuts to increase the DO(Dissolved Oxygen)

Bubbles like you are using will work also.

The cloner is almost a joke now gents. It is a coffee cup actually with a coffee can lid. 1 clone. Mostly i hope but doubt. I losing my cloning touch. All practice clones from bagseed were no big deal at all. All roots. CAke. I fig now i just might have to wait it out and reveg and clone a girl.

Sad I thought I would have 6 veggers ready to go in a month for replacing my current grow/harvest. Lol, a little setback.

Anyway, my widow cindys look the same. I will post pics ina second. Day 3 and no change. I am a little sad as I scan a soil grow and day 3 has leaves out.

I have done this before. Twice. Once in soil and then in rw last time without a flaw with 12 NL and Mazar afghan. I forget ho exactly. I remember watering the cubes every day and they grew fine. It was much hotter out. I have the heater at 76. Maybe some clear party cups over the cubes. I did do that last time.

good day all. my day off.

You guys use the notepad function. I do, mine is lng, i gotta reread. Reads like trial and error on steroids and wow am I a dreamer it seems as I read. Hope it all ends in succeess. I am sure it will. At my age I got some patience. lol. It not lirk I can stop.

I am trying not to switch over to all marijuan until I harvest my first crop. This month pain pill were needed more than usual and it looks like I will have a few withdrawl days. No big deal it happens but lame! I got some smoke.

Oh yeah I am feeding the cubes 24 hour tapwater with 1 tsp of hydrogurad a gallon and a few drops of supertrhive.

They are coming off h202.

Eharmony420 said:

Oh yeah I am feeding the cubes 24 hour tapwater with 1 tsp of hydrogurad a gallon and a few drops of supertrhive.

They are coming off h202.

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There is your problems

Why H2o2 ?
Why tapwater ?
.

well I thought I would stick to h202 while they were seedlings and clones and then switch to hydroguard. You may be right. Previously I never used h202 or hydroguard and RO water.

I got a hernia recently so said screw the ro water from a machine. OW, lol. Also I dont have any cal mag on me so I thought if I let the tap sit out they would still get their cal and so on that way. I have read your threads where you say it is way to much and causes all kinds of damage. I have seen what is in my water and it is some of the worst in the country. I was being lazy i guess. I am on my way to the store.

Well the hydroguard is what they get now. Also the girls in flower get hydroguard. I guess with so much to worry about all over I let certain areas go lax. Earlier I would haver carted my ro in. I waiting a paycheck or 2 for a ro machine. However a crap load still swear their tap is ok. Screw that.

There are a few lucky people that have good tapwater,
but we are not them.

The machine is great.

What are you using to lower the pH ?

Ok crew. Notes.

all day off so I watching my seedlings. Both are good. I have RO water suoerthrive and hydroguard now as their feed. I am pouring it onto the plate and letting the cubes soak it up. I like the fact it dries from the upper areas firstleaving the roots to chase it down.

The shrivled cotelydon seeding is doing better as a green growth is evident. leaves I mean are going to grow. I think I accidentally helped this seedling out a little too soon. K now.


thanks earl. I needed the trip outside to get water.

Ph down is stealth hydro ph down. Ph is 5.8.

My ph meter is broke. Or rather I cant calibrate its cheap ass right. But strips are at 5.6 or so. I have a how to hydro book on cd I got off ebay. It shows the charts for ph. At 5.8 you can see where all the nutrients become available most.

I hear though that seedlings like it lower.

are these the nutes you are using ?

Do you have the hard water micro ?

yup those are them earl. Hardwater micro. Makes a huge diference. It phs the water down for you too.

In rockwool I had to worry over ph. It was a constant battle. After the hardwater micro i do not worry anymore.

Also for flower on hand I have bloombastic, koolbloom, and bigbud.

lol, I am not using all of them.

I hear in doses over 1 tsp a gal kool bloom causes hermies.

I hear big bud and kool bloom have been ok.

But bloombastic is a 0-20-21. Wow. With enzymes and so, a flower enhancer and stimulator or something in 1. I forget the term. Anyway it is very nice.

I got like a few tsps of kool bloom. And a some bloombastic.


Anyway, yeah, i got the hardwater micro.

This is how I start seeds.

The paper towel method is not good for the very fine root hairs that the seedling produces.
These Root hairs are microscopic,
and when you handle them you "set back "
the seedling.

All of the seeds breeders have the same statement on their websites.
"Start the seeds in the medium you are going to grow them in."

Rockwool is is kinda of "old Tech"

Coco is much more environmentally friendly and cheaper
with less pH problems, and nutrient build up.
Switch to coco for your next grow and you'll like it.
You don't need anything special or to treat it with any pH soak.

This is the way I start seeds and is the reccomended method by all seed dealers.

I like the coco coir starter plugs. These are four years old and still good as new. I do not re-use them.


Use Hydroton clay pellets. I do re-use these.



Place the plug in the bottom of a three inch net pot and hold it like this so you can scoop the clay pellets into it.


Notice that with the plug on the bottom,
this will give us room to add more clay pellets
once the plant is larger.
This will help block light from the stem and the coco plug.


Flush/Rinse the net pot with clay pellets,
until the water runs clear out the bottom.

Next, fill your tub with tap water to the bottom of the net pots, with the lid placed like the picture.
Mark the water level inside the tub,
with a led pencil.
Poor the tap water out,
and replace with RO or Distilled water.

Chlorine is very bad for sprouts root development.

Avoid using tap water for sprouting seeds.


With the tub full of RO water at the appropriate level,
put the seed in the coco coir plug.
I use the screw driver that came with my ph pen.

First, I make a new "hole" with the screw driver,
and then push the seed in the smaller hole
until it just barely disappears below the surface.

If you use the hole in the center of the plug,
the seed could fall too low,
and have a harder time sprouting.

I belive that the best way to plant
is with the seed laying on it's side.

Getting the seeds planted correctly
will greatly increase your chances of getting sprout.

Keep the coco plugs moist, but not wet.

After a week they should look like this
and be ready to move into your growing system.


Growing more plants? Use a larger tub with more holes.

Move the plants into your growing system
after they are a week old,
and start feeding 1/4 strenght nutes.


With DWC, lower the water level to the below bottom of the net pot,
after the sprout has roots showing from the bottom.

Once you start cloning
you can skip the coco and hydroton,
and grow with neoprene.
.

Damn earl, real nice!

That looks good.

I will try the coco. I have wanted to for a while. I have been watching planet green all day. hehe, i am so cheap, i got like 25 rockwool 4 in rw blocksfor like 20 bucks and I figured I was stuck with them.

Yeah. Also a faster drying medium I have been looking for. I can feed once or so a day in rw during flower. Duringveg it was like every few days.

All this makes getting timers setup a bitch.

Good to know about the microscopic hairs on taproots. I figured my method was foolproof. Cool.

I am also gonna build an aero cloner soon. I got the misters. Just need to grab a few more things. Plenty of plans all around.

Cool, glad fopr the postings. I'd rep but I already did.