Why the End of America is Closer than You Think

TreesOfLife

Well-Known Member
a link would havebeen fine. pasting the whole article here is a bit much.
So is the 15+ trillion in the last 8-9 months the banksters have stolen.

you forgot??? we still have our military and most of these events can be forstalled by taking over other countries and taking everything they have!! like the plan in irac,... syria and lebanon are next but ultimatly i could see the usa moving into south america or even canada,.....
It's not OUR military anymore...They will be used in these events.NORTHCOM look it up.
Hey before you guys leave hit me up.......I'll buy your grow lights, Flood tables ect.bongsmilie
Good Luck with that.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
First off if the president wants to go into your over seas account and take all of your money, he can at a whim. Money is not safe in ANY account. The Patriot act has already given authority to do this.
Only if my account is in my name and traceable to me. It is not. I can't go into any more detail than that I'm afraid, but there are very secure ways to make you invisible.


You might actually be safer to invest in precious metals and bury it in your back yard.
What's your address...:mrgreen: Personally speaking I wouldn't hold more than 10% in gold. First of all it is a pain in the arse to convert and cannot be done quickly. In these times, I'm against that. Then there is always the chance that Obama will pull an FDR on you. Now a year ago I would have said no way, but now, ...possible.



Ownership of land is very important, you may want to start growing food in the future. Of course the gubbermint will probably tax the land so much that you will have to sell it, but that is yet to be seen.
Yes, land ownership is important but less so than 20 years ago. I have plenty of it and I considered dumping some prop's when it was all sky high, but I was comfortable and decided to keep it. I knew the bubble was going to burst and the values were out of whack anyways, so I didn't pay much mind to paper profit. Of course no one could have foreseen the complete attack on the economy that Obama is waging, so in hindsight I should have sold a few. They are paid off however, so it's a push.

Gold and silver can move across the borders of this country in any amount and never has to be declared, its the law.
This is untrue. Any amount of currency in any form over 10k must be declared. This does not mean you will be denied (as of right now it's kewl), but if we are talking about a meltdown, then things could change. Carrying large amounts of gold is not easy nor concealable. If times get really tough, it could be very risky indeed.
I think it would be far easier to use your offshore account to purchase the gold through a foreign bank and have the gold waiting for you.


I don't really think T-Bills are a good investment at this time, they do not have shit for yield and they are valued by the issuing country. If the USA tanks, its t-bills and other financial instruments will be worth nothing.
As of right now, T bills are the SAFEST, but yes not the most profitable. look the days of making a killing are pretty much over. I'm not saying it cannot be done, but the chances of being on the losing end of an investment is rising steadily. As for tanking, it is a common mistake to invest and forget, but with a short turn around, that doesn't happen. T bills are steadily rising in value as pressure on the govt. to perform increases.






Prepare now for the worst and hope for the best. Its not going to go down exactly as we think, and it might take a few years to go, just like the depression took 4 years before it actually got really bad, we are just at the beginning stages.
That's true, but a lot of wealth evaporated very quickly and never returned. Also, most of the population at that time was not invested in the markets like today, which increases volatility.

When you told your neighbor his value was going to tank and it bacame true sounds just like the advice I gave some of the folks at work. I told them to refinance their homes when the rates were at 4.5%, but my boss believed the government and said he would wait until it got to 3.9% just like Bernanke said it would. And all the other sheep at work followed the leader. It never got below 4.5 really, and everyone except me waited for the magical 3.9. They are still waiting even though its at 6% now. For some reason they think that the Fed has total control over the interest rate, but I told them that its really the Bond market that controls the rates. The feds can't make it artificially low in an economy going belly up like ours is and they are losing their grip. None of them realized that a 1% rate hike is like a 20% down payment over the term of the loan.
Yes, it was the same here. I quickly evaluated that my new neighbor represented the "last" sort to get in on the bubble. It wasn't the deciding factor for me but it added to my equations. i went out 2 months later and jacked all of the equity out of 2 of my houses and took the proceeds at 5% interest and invested in oil and fertilizer (potash to be specific). So while my neighbor was losing 25% per year on his house, I made, well let's just say I made a killing.

Too many people who do not understand the true nature of Money and Finance these days. The government education system makes sure that the vast majority of informnation we receive is construed in such a way as to make us oblivious to the theft going on.
Yes, I completely agree, and that is exactly why 65% of the ppl think Obama is doing a great job... :lol:

Good post, I enjoyed every bit of it.

If there was anything I didn't respond to it was because it was dead on, except for sugar not spoiling...it does, only honey holds that honorable distinction. :wink: Gotta luv the Bees!
 

medicineman

New Member
Only if my account is in my name and traceable to me. It is not. I can't go into any more detail than that I'm afraid, but there are very secure ways to make you invisible.




What's your address...:mrgreen: Personally speaking I wouldn't hold more than 10% in gold. First of all it is a pain in the arse to convert and cannot be done quickly. In these times, I'm against that. Then there is always the chance that Obama will pull an FDR on you. Now a year ago I would have said no way, but now, ...possible.





Yes, land ownership is important but less so than 20 years ago. I have plenty of it and I considered dumping some prop's when it was all sky high, but I was comfortable and decided to keep it. I knew the bubble was going to burst and the values were out of whack anyways, so I didn't pay much mind to paper profit. Of course no one could have foreseen the complete attack on the economy that Obama is waging, so in hindsight I should have sold a few. They are paid off however, so it's a push.



This is untrue. Any amount of currency in any form over 10k must be declared. This does not mean you will be denied (as of right now it's kewl), but if we are talking about a meltdown, then things could change. Carrying large amounts of gold is not easy nor concealable. If times get really tough, it could be very risky indeed.
I think it would be far easier to use your offshore account to purchase the gold through a foreign bank and have the gold waiting for you.




As of right now, T bills are the SAFEST, but yes not the most profitable. look the days of making a killing are pretty much over. I'm not saying it cannot be done, but the chances of being on the losing end of an investment is rising steadily. As for tanking, it is a common mistake to invest and forget, but with a short turn around, that doesn't happen. T bills are steadily rising in value as pressure on the govt. to perform increases.








That's true, but a lot of wealth evaporated very quickly and never returned. Also, most of the population at that time was not invested in the markets like today, which increases volatility.



Yes, it was the same here. I quickly evaluated that my new neighbor represented the "last" sort to get in on the bubble. It wasn't the deciding factor for me but it added to my equations. i went out 2 months later and jacked all of the equity out of 2 of my houses and took the proceeds at 5% interest and invested in oil and fertilizer (potash to be specific). So while my neighbor was losing 25% per year on his house, I made, well let's just say I made a killing.



Yes, I completely agree, and that is exactly why 65% of the ppl think Obama is doing a great job... :lol:

Good post, I enjoyed every bit of it.

If there was anything I didn't respond to it was because it was dead on, except for sugar not spoiling...it does, only honey holds that honorable distinction. :wink: Gotta luv the Bees!
Here's my question cracker: what makes you such an expert forecaster of the future? If things don't go as you have predicted, will you eat your words? Doom and gloom does no-one any good. There are millions that don't have 50 cents to save, are these people just fucked. All you gazillionaires should be prepared for the swarms of poor wretches coming to your houses armed and very dangerous. This is America where even the poor people have guns. The cops won't be there to protect your asses, they'll either be dead or at home protecting their own families.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Is it possible to eat words? That could solve a lot of food shortages...:lol:

I can say with a certainty because the numbers combined with the "remedies" (ahem) instigated by Obama, tell me so. I don't pay attention to the media outlets (like you?), I follow the data. All the data points to total calamity.
By the time the guns come out you nitwit, the gazillionaires will already be gone. They tend to see things coming a bit faster than, folks like you, n'est pas? One of the best formulas for making and creating wealth is seeing trends and getting there FIRST. That includes exit strategies. Let me guess... you don't have one.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Cracker I am like you, I DO NOT watch Television, maybe an episode of SpongeBob with my kids, but the main stream media are a bunch of government shills and hacks at best. They do not report on the news, they only report what the people want to hear.

Currency must be declared, but gold and silver are not currency unless stamped or minted as such, only currency has legal tender laws attached.Then there is the actual stamped value vs the actual value of the metal. The US minted Gold Eagle is legal tender for $20 so you would not have to declare them unless you have over $10,000 of face value. The US Minted Silver eagle is 1 dollar, so you could walk across with 9,999 ounces of silver and not declare it or 499 gold eagles(thats $170,00 in silver and half a million in gold at metal spot price). Gold Krugerands or Canadian Maples or any minted valued coin would also be subject to this limitation, but pure gold bars or ingots are not considered cash, currency or financial instruments, they are commodities and do not have to be declared. Move tons each day they don't care. VERY EASY TO LIQUIDATE, the only time I cannot turn my precious metals into cash is on Sundays when the shops are closed. It takes all of 10 minutes to sell $9,000 worth of gold for cash, I have done it several times and I Live in a small town. In the future you probably won't need to turn it into cash, people won't accept cash, they will probably accept some other currency or gold or silver instead, perhaps Gasoline or food. If Obama declares confiscation again, either move out of country or bury it, not like they are going to go door to door searching for it. I do not advocate putting more than 40%-50% of ones investable money into Precious Metals (PM), but its probably safer than almost any other investment as it will never be worth nothing.

You have made some good choices, mine only made about 15% this last year, but thats better than the 40% loss most took. I am completely out of the market as of now except for some mining stocks and those have been doing well. I have some bonds to sell also and am going to have my boss fire me so I can take my 401K money out, damn the fees. Then he can hire me back.

We are worse off than the depression, back in the 20's and 30's people actually saved money, now people save nothing, because it just becomes worth less and less due to inflation. Fiat Currencies always end this way, with the government trying desperately to inflate the debt away. Unfortunately its not about the money supply as it is the massive debt, impossible to pay back and that is why we are doomed. Collectively as a people we have brought this on ourselves, but we were told by the gubbermint that it was OK and that houses would rise in value forever and that a consumer economy was exactly what we needed to keep growing. Growth is the only thing that lets the government keep operating, as soon as the economy can no longer grow, we have to start paying back the debt, no more rolling it over year after year, eventually you have to pay. Now is that time and the gubbermint is still trying to get away with having someone else borrow us all the money we need.

If things get real bad I might move to Canada. I have relatives there and its not so far away.




Medman...Yeah those people that don't have 50cents to their name ARE FUCKED.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Funny you should mention Canada. I own some acreage up in Nova Scotia...:lol: I really don't have any plans on living up there though. If push comes to shove, I'll probably move to Europe somewhere ( I have some places picked out already). Europe is swinging to the right economically (finally) as even they seem to understand what it will take to recover. Obama will be all alone soon. By the way he has treated Europe so far, that may be what he wants....
 

OregonMeds

Well-Known Member
Maybe if you have your own seagoing vessel you could leave with physical gold/silver but certainly not on an airplane unless you want to check that bag.

You can't take nail clippers on the plane, and certainly they'd claim you could make even more deadly a weapon out of a sack of coins or a single bar.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Yeah i was going to mention Diamonds as a decent way to invest the cash into something easily portable. only problem is reselling them for the amount you paid, also cannot cut a diamond in half if you need to pay someone on the spot for something. at least PM's cut fairly easy.

I abhor flying now a days, everyone treated like a hijacker, and I have no doubt they would say that the metal was a weapon. for gods sake you can't even take liquids on the plane anymore. Its ridiculous. So far they have not caught 1 single terrorist, proving either the terrorists are too smart for them, or there just aren't any to find, either way we are either safe from them or no matter what we do or how many liberties we erode we will never be able to be completely safe.

I have been thinking of Australia also, great country , I visited there a few weeks and had the greatest time of my life. People are very friendly, food is good, traffic is light, good public transport systems in place and they make a shit load of BEER there. Lovely women there also.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Well, as an old Pakistani told me years ago...

"Always buy quality. When you buy cheaply, you will cry a thousand times. When you buy quality, you will only cry once". (when you buy it)

If you buy quality diamonds, they will hold their value. :wink:
 
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