Why no conclusive side by side defoliation topics

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MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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Fevs. said:
In veg I'm a brutal motherfucker! :lol: Here is my lemon skunk clone from plant in prior pic. She is tough as nalis. Look at her stems lol

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She's the elite 1 from a pack. She is done with green and violet dense nugs after 60 days of 12/12.

As you can see it's brutal for her, so she needs time to recover before the flip.
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My last mothers little sister.LOL.

Sorry for those who have been spammed with this. Still waiting for a better horror poster.001.jpg002.jpg004.jpg118.jpg
 
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I have thought recently and have been doing this too, even to the flowering lemon skunk above. Instead of defoliating as there is too much growth, or if the light can't get through, just prune it in veg like an outdoor plat. Instead of heaving lots of dense growth in the middle where you have to remove the leaves to thin it out. Just remove whole branches in veg. Trim it like a bonsai tree. If there are branches growing too close too each other, just lop one of them off.

Nobody every mentions this in defoliating threads, but it is working great for me. No need to defoliated if you have the right amount of tops. Less tops No need to remove leaves. Plus you still end up with shit loads of tops. Trying to grow too many tops can be a bad thing imo. Indoors obviously. The area can only handle so many tops for the space.
 
MICHI-CAN

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I have thought recently and have been doing this too, even to the flowering lemon skunk above. Instead of defoliating as there is too much growth, or if the light can't get through, just prune it in veg like an outdoor plat. Instead of heaving lots of dense growth in the middle where you have to remove the leaves to thin it out. Just remove whole branches in veg. Trim it like a bonsai tree. If there are branches growing too close too each other, just lop one of them off.

Nobody every mentions this in defoliating threads, but it is working great for me. No need to defoliated if you have the right amount of tops. Less tops No need to remove leaves. Plus you still end up with shit loads of tops. Trying to grow too many tops can be a bad thing imo. Indoors obviously. The area can only handle so many tops for the space.
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I considering parasitic or sub branches to be defol. And the air movement helps prevent later issues with humidity in my location. I scare most growers and enjoy it.
 
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MICHI-CAN said:
I considering parasitic or sub branches to be defol. And the air movement helps prevent later issues with humidity in my location. I scare most growers and enjoy it.
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Defoliation in veg and defoliation in flowering are 2 completely different things. In veg, they seem to do great still, especially if you give them root stim and silica in their feeds. In flowering it's just fucked things up for me.

There are probably many threads out there where somebody has been against defoliating, then 2 years later for defoliation, then a year later against it again. Me for one :lol:
 
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Dr. Who said:
WHAT? GPW is a poor measure of ability!
I've gotten over 4 - SOG kills GPW and that's just a style of growing.....BTW as soon as you say "Not an insult" it becomes one.

Defoliation is not a way to massive gains. Rather minimal really. It creates smaller denser buds that increase yield by weight, not bud size.
It looses bag appeal for a few more grams of yield? Why?
Lets get clear here.
Define Defoliate? It is NOT pruning everything off but the main buds - That's cropping for total main bud size...
Defoliation is the removal of leaves from all over the plant.
I don't care if it's done at a certain time or if it's only some of the "leaves".

It is not productive to remove food factories from plants. As the plant fruits!

To me it would appear that the quest isn't finished in these comparisons, BECAUSE THEY FAIL to prove their point and simply stop posting on it.

BOOM DONE!
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You made a great point there pal! :cool:
 
MICHI-CAN

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Defoliation in veg and defoliation in flowering are 2 completely different things. In veg, they seem to do great still, especially if you give them root stim and silica in their feeds. In flowering it's just fucked things up for me.

There are probably many threads out there where somebody has been against defoliating, then 2 years later for defoliation, then a year later against it again. Me for one :lol:
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I learned pruning fruit trees in my grandparents orchards. Always a fan. Yet only competent for a fraction of my ongoing education. It is all about being in tune with the plants.

And defol beyond week 5 of flower is a disaster waiting to happen. Photos in veg. Tear it up if you have a healthy plant and methods. As well as the time to wait for the regrowth.
 
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I think defoliating in veg is enjoyable, therapeutic and part of the fun. Not to mention building the foundations of a great crop.
 
MICHI-CAN

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I think defoliating in veg is enjoyable, therapeutic and part of the fun. Not to mention building the foundations of a great crop.
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I think the same. Although a good way to learn to read plants. Deep subject. But they do communicate. Watch a time lapse once. That movement and color changes are language. I'm a nut. But I get better than average results.

Honestly just wish more people grew anything and then grew themselves in the process. Very positive hobby or lifestyle when embraced.
 
Soul Dwella

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Dr. Who said:
You guys have to start learning that buds, even lower ones.
Do not require direct light to develop and grow!

Direct light exposure DOES help ripen the buds.

To that end. Simply harvest the tops and the "done" product and leave the remaining buds in bloom, under the light for 2 more weeks.

You'll also find that the quality of the buzz is better on the second harvest. Rather intense really.
I have regular patients that only buy the late harvest....
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So cut the top half of the branches and leave the rest? Any pics of this??
 
Flowki

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A flat canopy full of leaves is followed by a flat canopy full of bud, think about it, it's litterally the only thing that can happen. At this point the only reason I can be bothered to lolipop is out of some sacrificial offering to the mold gods.
 
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I've been dicking around with defoliating for about a year, been growing for 11 years. I'm stopping defoliating now. I'm totally convinced it slows the plants down. In fact I have had plants run nearly a month longer than their clones. Their clones nearly caught them up in flowering. For me just get a hurricane fan on the floor, set it on a timer so on comes on for like 15 minutes and hour or so. I'm leaving it all on now.

This is the last plant that I have defoliated in flowering.

Defoliating in veg though, FUCK YEAH!

Got to create those tops. Here is my single lemon skunk plant on day 32 of 12/12. I will always defoliate in veg, for me veg is where the yield is achieved, but now I'm going heavy then, but gining it like 7-10 days to recover. Top the shit out of it then too..

Flowering, NO WAY am I defoliating in flowering again, as long as my ass points downwards I'm leaving those leaves on from now.

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There are enough leaves for this plant to do great, but plants prior to this I ended up running for ages. I defoliated the piss out of sweet seeds cream mandarin fast version. Supposed to be 42-49 days flower. It went 100 days of 12/12 becuase I just halted the whole fucking grow. I'm sold on leaving those leaves on! :weed:
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That’s exactly what i say too!!! During veg absolutely ,but once it starts budding it needs those leaves to push them buds.You can’t have a plant trying to recover and bud at the same time!!!
 
fartoblue

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Defoliation in veg and defoliation in flowering are 2 completely different things. In veg, they seem to do great still, especially if you give them root stim and silica in their feeds. In flowering it's just fucked things up for me.

There are probably many threads out there where somebody has been against defoliating, then 2 years later for defoliation, then a year later against it again. Me for one :lol:
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There are probably many threads out there where somebody has been against defoliating, then 2 years later for defoliation, then a year later against it again. Me for one :lol:

Makes two of us then Fevs
 
ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ

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Recently there was another thread on defoliation, and I decided that my next few runs will be strictly defoliation testing.

I will be doing 4 clones, 2 and 2 side by side with shwazzing vs only lollipopping.
Probably atleast 2 or 3 full runs.

I will definitively find out (for myself, indoors, in scrog) which method produces a higher yield.
 
fartoblue

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ÒÒlegilizeitÒÒ said:
Recently there was another thread on defoliation, and I decided that my next few runs will be strictly defoliation testing.

I will be doing 4 clones, 2 and 2 side by side with shwazzing vs only lollipopping.
Probably atleast 2 or 3 full runs.

I will definitively find out (for myself, indoors, in scrog) which method produces a higher yield.
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I look forward to this test.
 
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