Why I'm not using tea with great white

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truentgoon

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I wanted to brew molasses with
Great white to make a tea.

What turned me off it is the fact that the tea only stays good a couple days.

Even if I only brew a gallon I would still have a lot left over and it would just go bad.

It's ok for people who use it all in one shot but for me I'll still have most of it left over which is a waste of expensive great white
mycorrhizae.

Too much of a hassle to keep the bubbler on and keep feeding it.

Do you think a product like voodoo juice or other will replace the need for a tea? Will the great white feed off the voodoo juice?

Bud candy seems like a good overall product with molasses extract and amino acids in it.

Bud candy and great white may be a good combo.

Idk about molasses it may choke the plant. Seems like extracts found in bud candy or aphrodites extraction are better.
 
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Bernie420

Bernie420

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Just molasses and gw isnt really much of a tea imo. Use molasses at about 5ml to a gallon of water or nuted water with a pinch of gw mixed well before feeding/watering and you should be good if you just want to get microbes in there.
 
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ANC

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Add 3 or 4 hands of earthworm castings in tied up pantyhose.
I don't have a problem with excess plant food. I have many plants in the garden that appreciates a bit of love occasionally.
 
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truentgoon

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Bernie420 said:
Just molasses and gw isnt really much of a tea imo. Use molasses at about 5ml to a gallon of water or nuted water with a pinch of gw mixed well before feeding/watering and you should be good if you just want to get microbes in there.
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True I see what your saying. But isn't it the same thing as having the great white on the roots during a transplant than adding molasses or bud candy?

Idk cause bud candy and aphrodites extraction without molasses is like pouring money down the drain cause the plant eats up the extractions too fast?

The molasses makes the plant full and able to make better use of the bud candy?

At the same time who knows if the molasses molecule is too big and choking the plant.
 
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truentgoon

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ANC said:
Add 3 or 4 hands of earthworm castings in tied up pantyhose.
I don't have a problem with excess plant food. I have many plants in the garden that appreciates a bit of love occasionally.
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Yea that was a good article about the earthworm castings, great white, and molasses tea.

I figure I would need adleast a gallon of water in a bucket with an air pump to make the tea.

Even with only 1 gallon of tea brewed that's a little too much for me with one plant if I only use a few oz of it once every week. The tea won't even last a few days in a gallon jug lol.
 
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truentgoon

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Seems like the only benefit to a product like bud candy is to help the great white during a transplant.

Or using it after a molasses feed.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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truentgoon said:
True I see what your saying. But isn't it the same thing as having the great white on the roots during a transplant than adding molasses or bud candy?

Idk cause bud candy and aphrodites extraction without molasses is like pouring money down the drain cause the plant eats up the extractions too fast?

The molasses makes the plant full and able to make better use of the bud candy?

At the same time who knows if the molasses molecule is too big and choking the plant.
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No, not really but, yes in a way....

If you use the right soil. It will have the myco's anyway. Simply feed them! I don't really get this Great White shit anyway. Build your own soils and do it right. You don't need overpriced myco sources!

As far as Molasses vs. Bud Candy. Carbs are being used to feed the myco's in the soil - Thus they multiply and feed the plant better. In the end the Molasses and the BC are doing the same thing, and not making either one work better. In fact. Over use of carbs can cause fermentation in the soil. This will kill off myco's and the soil become anaerobic (No O2) and the plant dies...

Lastly, the molasses is broken down by the myco's to usable compounds for both them (myco's) and the plant.... No molecule's "choking" the plant!

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Yea that was a good article about the earthworm castings, great white, and molasses tea.

I figure I would need adleast a gallon of water in a bucket with an air pump to make the tea.

Even with only 1 gallon of tea brewed that's a little too much for me with one plant if I only use a few oz of it once every week. The tea won't even last a few days in a gallon jug lol.
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NO added expensive myco amendment needed to make a seriously good simple AACT!

You can make as little as a quart - easy! Small fish tank air pump and bubbler - in a half gallon mason jar with a quart and a half of water in it. (as you bubble you will lose some water to evap.)

Add:
1TBL of EWC
1 1/2 tsp well composted cow/steer manure
1 TBL of un sulfured molasses.

70 F and bubble for 36 - 48 hrs.

You don't "need" to put the material in a filter (stocking or such). I use the "sludge" from the brewing in my soil builds or simply add the tea - unfiltered to water for my application rates.

It's a misconception that the tea won't last... use in 24 hrs or simply slip in the fridge for 3-5 days of effective life.

DO NOT use kelp meals in brewing bio teas! It reduces the living bio counts by as much as 45%....

truentgoon said:
Seems like the only benefit to a product like bud candy is to help the great white during a transplant.

Or using it after a molasses feed.
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The carb product feeds the bio's in the soil.

I never "feed" molasses....Just fresh AACT.... Running 2 carb source's after each other is risky - remember the fermentation thing!

PEACE
 
ANC

ANC

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You should check one of the first 3 (I think videos) of GML s LED vs HPS shootout. He was giving great white to one half the room.
HE had to stop the experiment and give the rest of the plants the same as the great white plants were like a foot higher and thicker.
 
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ANC

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I use a cheap supply of trichorema and mykos, maybe costs me a dollar a bucket to make tea.
 
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truentgoon

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Dr. Who said:
No, not really but, yes in a way....

If you use the right soil. It will have the myco's anyway. Simply feed them! I don't really get this Great White shit anyway. Build your own soils and do it right. You don't need overpriced myco sources!

As far as Molasses vs. Bud Candy. Carbs are being used to feed the myco's in the soil - Thus they multiply and feed the plant better. In the end the Molasses and the BC are doing the same thing, and not making either one work better. In fact. Over use of carbs can cause fermentation in the soil. This will kill off myco's and the soil become anaerobic (No O2) and the plant dies...

Lastly, the molasses is broken down by the myco's to usable compounds for both them (myco's) and the plant.... No molecule's "choking" the plant!



NO added expensive myco amendment needed to make a seriously good simple AACT!

You can make as little as a quart - easy! Small fish tank air pump and bubbler - in a half gallon mason jar with a quart and a half of water in it. (as you bubble you will lose some water to evap.)

Add:
1TBL of EWC
1 1/2 tsp well composted cow/steer manure
1 TBL of un sulfured molasses.

70 F and bubble for 36 - 48 hrs.

You don't "need" to put the material in a filter (stocking or such). I use the "sludge" from the brewing in my soil builds or simply add the tea - unfiltered to water for my application rates.

It's a misconception that the tea won't last... use in 24 hrs or simply slip in the fridge for 3-5 days of effective life.

DO NOT use kelp meals in brewing bio teas! It reduces the living bio counts by as much as 45%....



The carb product feeds the bio's in the soil.

I never "feed" molasses....Just fresh AACT.... Running 2 carb source's after each other is risky - remember the fermentation thing!

PEACE
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So basically molasses is like a cheap bud candy?

When would I use the bud candy or molasses if I'm doing transplants with the great white.

Mammoth P is expensive. Any cheaper alternatives.
 
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truentgoon

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ANC said:
You should check one of the first 3 (I think videos) of GML s LED vs HPS shootout. He was giving great white to one half the room.
HE had to stop the experiment and give the rest of the plants the same as the great white plants were like a foot higher and thicker.
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That's good to know. The great white in the pepper shaker bottle isn't a bad deal. I heard it goes along way.
 
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truentgoon

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Bubblin said:
I'm lazy, it's got molasses already in it and it doesn't need to be brewed.
https://www.realgrowers.com/product/recharge/

Great white is amazing stuff, but I save it for hydro runs.
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That's good to hear another good comment on the great white.

Heard good things about the recharge just wish it came in smaller amounts instead of the big tub.

I don't think I'm getting the bud candy. Seems like it would be cheaper to just get black strap and an amino acid product like Athena Amina's.

I heard the Whole Foods brand of molasses is good. I think it goes under the name of wholesome molasses than look for the unsulfured.
 
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truentgoon

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I'm seeing mixed reviews on the molasses. Someone said it's like a lead blanket on the microbes. That's not the first time I heard that.

I might skip molasses and amino acid acid products. Couldn't find anything that made me jump out of my seat with the amino products.

People are raving about the great white though. I heard humic will help make a fungal colony which is good in veg and that's when I'm adding the great white anyway.

All in all I'm looking at great white or bioag VAM for mycorrhizae, bioag ful-humic or better yet bioag tm-7 wich has humic and other bennies added.

Then maybe the ful-power as a foliar so it lasts longer.

The bud candy may be good for flower but probably won't get it now.

Is it ok to mix the humic/fulvic with nutes? Will it last?
 
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Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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truentgoon said:
That's good to hear another good comment on the great white.

Heard good things about the recharge just wish it came in smaller amounts instead of the big tub.

I don't think I'm getting the bud candy. Seems like it would be cheaper to just get black strap and an amino acid product like Athena Amina's.

I heard the Whole Foods brand of molasses is good. I think it goes under the name of wholesome molasses than look for the unsulfured.
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I ONLY use molasses to make AACT. No other, good reason to use it. As far as amino acid's go. Kelp extract has lots of active plant amino's. No need to use anything else there either.



truentgoon said:
I'm seeing mixed reviews on the molasses. Someone said it's like a lead blanket on the microbes. That's not the first time I heard that.

I might skip molasses and amino acid acid products. Couldn't find anything that made me jump out of my seat with the amino products.

People are raving about the great white though. I heard humic will help make a fungal colony which is good in veg and that's when I'm adding the great white anyway.

All in all I'm looking at great white or bioag VAM for mycorrhizae, bioag ful-humic or better yet bioag tm-7 wich has humic and other bennies added.

Then maybe the ful-power as a foliar so it lasts longer.

The bud candy may be good for flower but probably won't get it now.

Is it ok to mix the humic/fulvic with nutes? Will it last?
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I use BioAg Ful-Humic when building my soils. Humic acids are part of the Fulvic acid chain.
Like I said. If you have built a quality soil, or buy a quality organic soil. You really don't need any added myco's.
Earth Worm Castings are chock full of bio's and the cow/steer manure adds some more fungal strains.
I like fungal heavy soils.
Adding an AACT bio tea will really up the counts and do everything that any myco amendment will do. Faster too.

Your being duped into spending money you don't need to. Finding truth behind claims and why they seem to work. Gives you the means to do as well for less, by the same roads taken by bottles and jars of over priced, over advertised products made by profiteers praying on those not knowing...
 
ANC

ANC

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You don;t have to keep buying the shit.
Add a hand full of compost to water and aerate it year round, top up water as you use it, as well as adding a source of carbohydrates like molasses.
Add you fancy great white, and now you have a permanent supply.
 
dubekoms

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Is great white a myco inoculant? If so its basically useless in water. The spores must be places directly on or near the roots for it to work. Usually when I transplant I mist the roots with water and sprinkle some bioag vam
 
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truentgoon

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dubekoms said:
Is great white a myco inoculant? If so its basically useless in water. The spores must be places directly on or near the roots for it to work. Usually when I transplant I mist the roots with water and sprinkle some bioag vam
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I heard this also, whether or not mycorrhizae is good in water or not it's just too much of a hassle for me personally to brew the tea.

I'm leaning towards the VAM you get more and it's cheaper.
 
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