why does government lie and commit fraud

whiteflour

whiteflour

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If you're smoking pot it's a hazard to your health. Plain and Simple. All these people that say it doesn't cause problems are the same people riding the tobacco bandwagon. They just can't accept the fact that something THEY do is a problem. Well let me assure everyone here that when tobacco is replaced by cannabis. Cannabis will be the forefront of the medical agenda. You just might not hear words like Addiction and Lung Cancer. It's no lung cancer that kills most tobacco users its Emphysema, Bronchitis, Pneumonia, and other lung complications. Complications caused by TAR.
 
kamonra

kamonra

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Killer Bud said:
The government lies, and commits fraud because they scared of the truth of what the people would say. They are too busy thinkin what we would say to actually stop and listen to us. They think they have our best interests are heart when in reality they dont they have their interests in their pockets, and what will make their companies more money. They dont want to face the truth that they have lied for many many years telling us something is so bad (marijuana) and will hurt us when in truth its THE safest drug known to man. Cant OD on marijuana, but you can OD on vitamins, and tylenol. Government will never tell the truth, What our country was founded on is dead and gone like our founding fathers as sad it is for me to say this. They are probably turning in their graves, what did there hard work turn out to be NOTHING but corruption. Every our represenatives that are paid to be here to listen to us do nothing but listen to whoever the highest bidder is. Why weed still illegal? because companies cant copyright it, or patent it so they lobby to keep it illegal so they can make drugs that do nothing but kill us quick, and our government sits by watching taking kick backs. It truly a sad world we are living in. All we have left is a few rights that are being taken away 1 n all we are being told is it is for the greater good "To fight terrorists, and criminals".
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did you know there is a law that states you can only treat disease with drugs .... so if a doctor said hey drinkl this tea from s. america rainforest... it will cure your disease .. that doctor will go to jail ... in america ....lol ... and not only my child went through this marj smoke while pregnant many others ....you guys still dont understand weed is a vegatable with nutrients i know that for a fact .. just as you know green pea, spinach . and collard greens are vegatables ./..see scientist wont actually publish the molecular structure of weed plant because they know it is truly a vegatable .. which then would get much resistance for being illegal ...
 
samtheham420

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Oh and fourtwentychat, I stopped reading a lot of the shit in this thread b/c it's all way too long.
So I went to look at more interesting threads and I had to get some yard work done lol.
No hard feelings to you, I just always have this debate with people and it angers me when people say mean things about it due to my nephew...
Which I'm gonna see today=D
I can't wait I love that little guy! I"m gonna squeeze him so hard!!!
But yeah you guys have fun with this lol.
 
kamonra

kamonra

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gobbly said:
you seriously need to educate yourself on a subject before you go talking like the guru... Fact is very definable, enter any science program at any college/university in the world. One of the first things you learn is that facts are things which have been shown to be true by experiments following the scientific process, which has not been show to be inconsistent through any experiments. Nothing about fact says it can't change... I don't know why people get so hung up on the idea that we learn something new... I understand a lot more how people get hung up on whether one test or another constitutes a proper experiment which can refute something previously known to be fact. On that all I can really say is that I am by no means an expert on this subject (I'm not in boilogy, I'm in engineering based science), but as someone who understands the processes I do not believe enough has been done to answer these questions. I hope to see that change, because this plant has been the most important thing in my life for a long time now, and I hate to sound like I'm in opposition. I simply think the community needs to be calling for more real answers, not continuing to propagate theories.

edit: going to butt out now and just watch others thoughts :) I'm starting to argue now, and that's not good, hehe.
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fact is undefinable ./. because every thing is possible ... just havvnt been done yet .. unless it is not a fact until its been done .. well somewhere in the universe it has been done ..... also now this is a theory ... pertaining to the multiverse concept scientist now believes .... there is no such thing as a lie .. once spoken an alternate reality is thus created ... im thinink about writing a book about that it of course would be a fiction novel ...but it helps support the believe there are infinite amount of multi-universes .... so what you think is not a fact actually is a fact somewhere ... and what you think is a fact is not a fact somewhere .... its a paradox
 
LadyKimi

LadyKimi

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samtheham420 said:
Dude, you are a fucking jerk.
DO NOT EVER say my fucking nephew was a lab rat again you dumb bitch.
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Honey, smoke less read more. I specifically said TO THE OP that HE used HIS child as a lab rat...

Brick Top: I agree with you, if the people that can not refrain from using profanity and callling names in a debate are continuously seen as the forefront of the legalization movement we will all be seen as uneducated, irresponsible, impetuous potheads. The way one says something is often more important than what is actually said....
 
LadyKimi

LadyKimi

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samtheham420 said:
Oh and fourtwentychat, I stopped reading a lot of the shit in this thread b/c it's all way too long.
So I went to look at more interesting threads and I had to get some yard work done lol.
No hard feelings to you, I just always have this debate with people and it angers me when people say mean things about it due to my nephew...
Which I'm gonna see today=D
I can't wait I love that little guy! I"m gonna squeeze him so hard!!!
But yeah you guys have fun with this lol.
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Again,
I said nothing about your nephew, I could not have as he was never mentioned before my post. My comment was addressed to the OP, clearly addressed.
 
kamonra

kamonra

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whiteflour said:
If you're smoking pot it's a hazard to your health. Plain and Simple. All these people that say it doesn't cause problems are the same people riding the tobacco bandwagon. They just can't accept the fact that something THEY do is a problem. Well let me assure everyone here that when tobacco is replaced by cannabis. Cannabis will be the forefront of the medical agenda. You just might not hear words like Addiction and Lung Cancer. It's no lung cancer that kills most tobacco users its Emphysema, Bronchitis, Pneumonia, and other lung complications. Complications caused by TAR.
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Most tobacco smokers consume more than 10 cigarettes per day and some consume 40 or more. Regular marijuana smokers seldom consume more than three to five cigarettes per day and most consume far fewer. Thus, the amount of irritant material inhaled almost never approaches that of tobacco users.​
Frequent marijuana smokers experience adverse respiratory symptoms from smoking, including chronic cough, chronic phlegm, and wheezing. However, the only prospective clinical study shows no increased risk of crippling pulmonary disease (chronic bronchitis and emphysema).
Since 1982, UCLA researchers have evaluated pulmonary function and bronchial cell characteristics in marijuana-only smokers, tobacco-only smokers, smokers of both, and non-smokers. Although they have found changes in marijuana-only smokers, the changes are much less pronounced than those found in tobacco smokers. The nature of the marijuana-induced changes were also different, occurring primarily in the lung's large airways - not the small peripheral airways affected by tobacco smoke. Since it is small-airway inflammation that causes chronic bronchitis and emphysema, marijuana smokers may not develop these diseases. 22 curtosy of :
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The Lindesmith Center
A Project of the Open Society Institute
Ethan Nadelmann, Director
Lynn Zimmer
Associate Professor of Sociology, Queens College [SIZE=+1]John P. Morgan[/SIZE]
Professor of Pharmacology, City University of New York Medical School
 
whiteflour

whiteflour

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And there have been several studies by other credible sources that say cannabis has AT LEAST four times the amount of tar as tobacco smoke. Others that say upwards of seven. So that means that the ammount of cannabis I consume in a day has more tar than the pack of cigarettes I consume. I'm not afraid to admit it. It's not healthy. Guess what? I'm still going to do it.

The facts are THC and CBD are found in RESIN. Resins main component is tar, unlike tobacco LEAVES which are plant matter, duh. We already see what happens when you try to lower tar in tobacco to make them "safer". The FDA and medical industry throw a hissy fit. Go look up the Y1 tobacco plant and then explain to me how this is any different to the medical industry. They have thc in freebase form, marinol, they don't need Smokers. This war is against Smoking, not Tobacco.
 
samtheham420

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LadyKimi said:
Again,
I said nothing about your nephew, I could not have as he was never mentioned before my post. My comment was addressed to the OP, clearly addressed.
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Na I'm good I'd rather smoke more and read less b/c half the people in this thread have no idea what they are talking about.
In my second post you commented on, you said that Kamonra turned his child into a lab rat b/c his wife didn't want to stop getting high.
Neither did my sister b/c she was so sick all the time, so that basically means you're implying the same for others as well, even though you directed it to one person.
Maybe you should think more about what you say in your replies before you post them....
And in the third post you commented on of mine, I was not meaning you, or I would have said so;
Trust me, sweetheart I have no problem addressing my issues:D
 
LadyKimi

LadyKimi

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samtheham420 said:
Na I'm good I'd rather smoke more and read less b/c half the people in this thread have no idea what they are talking about.
In my second post you commented on, you said that Kamonra turned his child into a lab rat b/c his wife didn't want to stop getting high.
Neither did my sister b/c she was so sick all the time, so that basically means you're implying the same for others as well, even though you directed it to one person.
Maybe you should think more about what you say in your replies before you post them....
And in the third post you commented on of mine, I was not meaning you, or I would have said so;
Trust me, sweetheart I have no problem addressing my issues:D
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Kamonra stated that his wife smoked upwards of 20gs a day while prego, you said once in a while for morning sickness. In my mind HUGE difference. I always think about what I say. I still mean what I said. Being a mother I would never chance smoking 20gs of pot a day while pregnant, because in a nut shell "What if?"

I am sorry if U took offense to my statement. I do not in any way take it back however. Smoking non stop all day everyday of a pregnancy is risky simply due to the unknowns.

Kimi
 
LadyKimi

LadyKimi

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samtheham420 said:
The woman I know didn't smoke that much either, not even my sis.
So it's all good.
My apologies, to you too.
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I understand, a few weeks ago someone said something about retards and I went off, I had a mentally challenged foster child that was born addicted to crack and died very young. Some topix just set us off... As U said, it's all good.
 
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