Why does co2 hurt my plants!?

bigworm6969

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thanks joe and to the op how long are u flowers along they should be useing alot of water espescially in the first weeks of flower so thats wierd to me there not drinking
 

chuck estevez

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I run a 24,000 btu ductless,with 3 open 1000 watters. I turn the temps down 10 degrees at night. I have no need for a dehumidifier. They usually end up fighting the a/c and jacking up the bill and my a/c takes care of it no problem.
 
Good posts guys, no answer to my problem but its been a good discussion. Im impressed with the knowledge and passion that goes into so many grows, didnt realize there were so many of you out there.

I turned off the CO2 burner, and now the plants are drinking again. They are nute deficient from 3 days of not drinking but they just hate CO2. Crazy thing is a buddy is running bottled CO2 and he turned it off after getting the same results - plants stopped drinking!

I'm going to set up box fans at root level and blow air down each row. Add another oscillating fan or two. Increase temp to 85 F. Use a water cooled gas burner. Vent my room to control humidity and removed CO2 after lights turn off. AC to control temp. I will buy a dehumdifier if i can get the CO2 to work in the first place.

I was thinking of venting the CO2 generator to the intake for the AC, does anyone know if this will draw the CO2 in, blow it out the ducting of the AC unit so it spreads across the room?

Im thinking of trying a sulfur burn too, since i battle PM and spraying is only keeping it at bay. Any other suggestions for the PM?
 

a mongo frog

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Good posts guys, no answer to my problem but its been a good discussion. Im impressed with the knowledge and passion that goes into so many grows, didnt realize there were so many of you out there.

I turned off the CO2 burner, and now the plants are drinking again. They are nute deficient from 3 days of not drinking but they just hate CO2. Crazy thing is a buddy is running bottled CO2 and he turned it off after getting the same results - plants stopped drinking!

I'm going to set up box fans at root level and blow air down each row. Add another oscillating fan or two. Increase temp to 85 F. Use a water cooled gas burner. Vent my room to control humidity and removed CO2 after lights turn off. AC to control temp. I will buy a dehumdifier if i can get the CO2 to work in the first place.

I was thinking of venting the CO2 generator to the intake for the AC, does anyone know if this will draw the CO2 in, blow it out the ducting of the AC unit so it spreads across the room?

Im thinking of trying a sulfur burn too, since i battle PM and spraying is only keeping it at bay. Any other suggestions for the PM?
sounds like u want to start from scratch and re work in the co2 once you've got all your variables in check. i think thats a great idea. i can't tell u how many times i did that and shut down the co2 when if first started using co2. it actually took me about a little less then a year to fully feel comfortable and actually see the results of co2 enrichment. so i think your well on your way. i had to really pay attention and get back to basics, cuz i feel if u have a little problem going in, the co2 enrichmant will only make things that much worse. as far as powder mold goes. what stage of growth r u at?
 

Aeroknow

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Its actually not if you deal with co2 you know air exchange MUST be done. You use dampers and timers if you do not exchange the air your plants suffer. The basic setup of a sealed room is it is sealed from the outside except on command. Say during lights on you are adding CO2. You will have intake and exhaust setup. these are sealed closed via dampers. You fill the sealed room with co2 then most do the air exchanges every 6 hours. Your co2 is timed oppsosite the co2 fills....Sooo exchange one you vent the old air out via an exhaust vent drawn through a carbon filter while at your intake you damper opens and you bring fresh new air in. the time is set on the cfm of your fan and size of your area. Then the timers go off for me in like a 4x8 tent I set it for 5 minutes. The fans go off the dampers close and 1 minute after the dampers close you restart your co2 fill and monitor back to the 1200-1500 ppm rate. I set one exchange just before lights on 2 during the 12 hours and one just as the lights go out as co2 is not used when lights are off so the fresh o2 brought in is needed by the plants. This is a sealed room and it uses co2 and it gives the needed air exchange you must have. Your fans in the area keep the air moving, reduce humidity and you keep fans down low blowing up since co2 is heavier then air....Joe Macclennan you either do not use co2 or are doing so very wrong if you are not doing air exchange. This is very very basic knowledge so I have to shake my head when someone who has no idea what he is talking about trys to interject information that is so far off base. If you do some basic reading and studying and visit any expirenced grower using co2 you d see this right away. Go to a commercial green house running propane co2 generators and they have huge dampers and fans for the purpose of refreshing the air. You must have new non stagnant air or your killing the plants and loosing the entire purpose of co2.
Thank you for not making me and every single person I know out to be looney. Now, I've gotten by without dumping my sealed rooms back when I first switched over around 10 yrs or so ago. But, I wasn't really happy with the results. Just seem to grow/yield better dumping the room. I really wish I understood why, but I don't. I usually dump rite when lights out, rite before lights on, than 2 times during light cycle. It's pretty common to do this in real life, I know allot of growers all over Cali. But, on certain forums the answer is usually a blanket statement saying: absolutely no exchange needed.
Maybe they should try it before knockin it.
Every sealed growroom I build these days, can exchange air(dump)whenever I want
 

kermit2692

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lol just another hater what the fuck ever dude. you haven't a clue. I've been playing with this for a while now and yes, I've burnt too close to harvest once or twice but I now have that down.

and I have two scrub filters and two dehumidifiers going mr. fucking noitall

My humidity in my room never gets over 55%

as I stated before. the condensation I get is due to being in a steel building but apparently you overlooked that in your haste to judge me.

I thought you were cool with some knowledge on the subject at hand. apparently I was wrong.

get a fuking life man
Look at you being a Dick simply because he said he wouldn't smoke your weed...guess what I wouldn't either perpetual root aphids, sulfur burners, mold on the walls, and I've read four pages and you can't get past people wanting to move fresh air into their room lol it's a reset, people like fresh and clean and regardless of if it's necessary it sure doesn't hurt and if you don't know what the air in your room is made up of at the time after co2 had been absorbed for hours after it discharged that's an easy way to be sure your back where you want to be..you come of like a yuppie douche
 

joe macclennan

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Thank you for not making me and every single person I know out to be looney. Now, I've gotten by without dumping my sealed rooms back when I first switched over around 10 yrs or so ago. But, I wasn't really happy with the results. Just seem to grow/yield better dumping the room. I really wish I understood why, but I don't. I usually dump rite when lights out, rite before lights on, than 2 times during light cycle. It's pretty common to do this in real life, I know allot of growers all over Cali. But, on certain forums the answer is usually a blanket statement saying: absolutely no exchange needed.
Maybe they should try it before knockin it.
Every sealed growroom I build these days, can exchange air(dump)whenever I want
I can see several reasons for needing to dump a room periodically. Depending on certain conditions.....but daily....I'm just not there yet. I'm not saying not to on this though. just that if room conditions are favorable there should be no reason too.

this is just my opinion
Look at you being a Dick simply because he said he wouldn't smoke your weed...guess what I wouldn't either perpetual root aphids, sulfur burners, mold on the walls, and I've read four pages and you can't get past people wanting to move fresh air into their room lol it's a reset, people like fresh and clean and regardless of if it's necessary it sure doesn't hurt and if you don't know what the air in your room is made up of at the time after co2 had been absorbed for hours after it discharged that's an easy way to be sure your back where you want to be..you come of like a yuppie douche
well thank you for your insightful and positive post ;) You seem like a really nice guy too.

I am so happy to be surrounded by such positive people. and also those with such superior knowledge on subjects such as this. i'm sure the product you produce is quite stellar. and good for you :)

now do you have anything to add to the discussion or are you just trolling too?
 

joe macclennan

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Good posts guys, no answer to my problem but its been a good discussion. Im impressed with the knowledge and passion that goes into so many grows, didnt realize there were so many of you out there.

I turned off the CO2 burner, and now the plants are drinking again. They are nute deficient from 3 days of not drinking but they just hate CO2. Crazy thing is a buddy is running bottled CO2 and he turned it off after getting the same results - plants stopped drinking!

I'm going to set up box fans at root level and blow air down each row. Add another oscillating fan or two. Increase temp to 85 F. Use a water cooled gas burner. Vent my room to control humidity and removed CO2 after lights turn off. AC to control temp. I will buy a dehumdifier if i can get the CO2 to work in the first place.

I was thinking of venting the CO2 generator to the intake for the AC, does anyone know if this will draw the CO2 in, blow it out the ducting of the AC unit so it spreads across the room?

Im thinking of trying a sulfur burn too, since i battle PM and spraying is only keeping it at bay. Any other suggestions for the PM?
I wouldn't turn your room temp up to 85 without the co2 for very long man. and by venting the co2 directly into the intake (return) on your ac you could make the ac short cycle due to temporary spikes in temp from the exhaust....you can vent the co2 into the supply(cold air) side of the ac though and this would help disperse it some.

burning sulfur is all I need. I know there are other products out there...sprays and such. Always seemed counter productive to me spraying any liquid on flowers late in their cycle.
 

Sticky760

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Good posts guys, no answer to my problem but its been a good discussion. Im impressed with the knowledge and passion that goes into so many grows, didnt realize there were so many of you out there.

I turned off the CO2 burner, and now the plants are drinking again. They are nute deficient from 3 days of not drinking but they just hate CO2. Crazy thing is a buddy is running bottled CO2 and he turned it off after getting the same results - plants stopped drinking!

I'm going to set up box fans at root level and blow air down each row. Add another oscillating fan or two. Increase temp to 85 F. Use a water cooled gas burner. Vent my room to control humidity and removed CO2 after lights turn off. AC to control temp. I will buy a dehumdifier if i can get the CO2 to work in the first place.

I was thinking of venting the CO2 generator to the intake for the AC, does anyone know if this will draw the CO2 in, blow it out the ducting of the AC unit so it spreads across the room?

Im thinking of trying a sulfur burn too, since i battle PM and spraying is only keeping it at bay. Any other suggestions for the PM?
Sounds like a plan with the fans and raising heat since you don't have the dehumidifier.
If you have the space I would suggest a scrubber room if you want to be super crazy about it. You can place your ac and co2 in this room with two scrubbers lock the temp and co2 together to come on at the same time or however you'd like blow air through a scrubber into your room cause the scrubber fan should be almost leveled with canopy it will get to all your plants and when you want to vent out vent it back into that same room, I would put an exit fan in the main scrubber room to get rid of the air you took out of your room right after lights out.

As far a powdery mildew goes I would just use green cure man it works wonders on plants I use it after cloning just as a preventative from the high humidity. Works on over 140 plant species it's just potassium bicarbonate which is similar to baking soda. Sulphur is toxic I've seen so many crops killed from carelessness
 
Thanks, this is probably the best advice on the whole thread! Obviously something is off, so back to the basics and I will learn something new on the journey (i hope, the other possibility is some environmental, like the paint on reacting to CO2). PM is showing up as white fuzz on the leafs, especially on plants near the end of flower. Can get rid of it, just keeping it at bay.
 
Good idea but i dont have room for a scrubber room. I think since the CO2 is water cooled i can vent it into the AC intake directly, i am just a little worried about the CO2 being too heavy to pick up or not making it through the filter or something else along those lines. I could build a box around AC and fill it with CO2... but i gotta think through that. I like simple.

I have heard of the green cure just recently from a guy with a lot of experience. Just called the store and guy there says they have good results with it. Booyah!
 

Aeroknow

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Thanks, this is probably the best advice on the whole thread! Obviously something is off, so back to the basics and I will learn something new on the journey (i hope, the other possibility is some environmental, like the paint on reacting to CO2). PM is showing up as white fuzz on the leafs, especially on plants near the end of flower. Can get rid of it, just keeping it at bay.
Haven't you realized yet, that the best advice on this thread, just mite be to reset the rooms air? It's probably why the thread went in that direction. Don't you think?
And keep humidity lower
 
I do vent, its how i control the humidity. At 50% humidity the controller turns on fans, bringing in outside air and venting inside air out, until the humidity returns to 40%. Plus a total reset at lights off. In fact, I probably vent too much and waste large amounts of CO2 due to excessive venting.

I believe venting is a good idea, and dont subscribe to the completely sealed grow philosophy. Mold, bacteria, viruses, low O2, micro organism waste, and build up of airborne contaminates all are good reasons to vent. And the fresh air outside is gonna have oxygen and CO2, good bacteria, fungi, organic compounds, trace molecules, and all sorts of other stuff that plants are sensitive to that we may not fully understand.

My CO2 problem really is a mystery. Its just that Co2 shouldnt have such a profound negative affect, especially with a good monitor, controlled humidity and temp, and air exchanges. But I will try my plan stated above and return with the results. I just need the plants to recover a few days and the time to setup the water cooled generator.
 
If your venting in air from the outside, and air inside out, using carbon filters for both way of air exchange, should keep more bad and good air particles at bay, IE mold, PM. am i wrong? and for the whole PM issue, I’m curious. A sulfur burner should be used for what size room? lets say a 4x4 tent? would you use spray or a burner? you’ve got me so damn worried about PM now, exp in the summer!
 

kermit2692

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However man don't worry about mold this guy seemed like a bit of a short bus rider if ya catch my drift lol keep your humidity in check and you will be fine... Don't use sulfur burners lol
 
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