Why are dj short genetics so expensive?

booms111

booms111

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DJ Short....Ive bought a $175 pack of his blueberry years ago. Waste of money! Seeds were old and didnt germinate well. What did grow was mutant crap. If you spent 20 years working on genetics shouldnt his seeds be more stable? My opinion is only based off 1 pack but Id never buy anything of his again!
 
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althor

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booms111 said:
DJ Short....Ive bought a $175 pack of his blueberry years ago. Waste of money! Seeds were old and didnt germinate well. What did grow was mutant crap. If you spent 20 years working on genetics shouldnt his seeds be more stable? My opinion is only based off 1 pack but Id never buy anything of his again!
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I dont know what happened over the years, maybe lost some mothers or something, but the reviews on DJ over the past 2-3 years are much more negative than positive.
 
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Bonequicha

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dj lost his blueberry male?... facepalm and he still calls it blueberry? for me a strain dies when it can't be replicated exactly as it was in the first release, thanks for this helpful info, just shameful he's still calling it blueberry, bait and switch much?
 
colonuggs

colonuggs

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shit alot of the breeders have lost their moms and dads...thats why you get different shit a year or 2 later

Same thing has happpend to DNA genetics....the OG used to be lemony funky pinesol...now its shit on a stick
 
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althor

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colonuggs said:
shit alot of the breeders have lost their moms and dads...thats why you get different shit a year or 2 later

Same thing has happpend to DNA genetics....the OG used to be lemony funky pinesol...now its shit on a stick
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That explains some things. Years ago I was getting lemony funky pinesol from their OG crosses, last time I got sour laundry.
 
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Bonequicha

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reeferman has the common decency to tell customers about his next gen love potion, which i think is better than original
 
Nightmarecreature

Nightmarecreature

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Ok say you have 6000 seeds and you sell them for $10 each or $100 for a 10 pack.

$60,000 All seed banks take 50%

So now you have $30,000

Minus labor, nutes, electricity and everything else you need. Factor in packaging and shipping.
It comes out to about $20,000.
After seeing a vid of REZDOG getting busted and the pathetic apartment he was living in, I don't think he made very much. The big players make some good money, but they put in a lot of work. Then when they get real big they have someone else make seeds for them.

Sell seeds for $5 each and you make $15,000.

If the seed banks were not ripping everyone off, you would see seed packs going for $25 a pack regularly. Once pot goes legal, there will be USA seed banks and the prices will drop.
 
Rare D MI

Rare D MI

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Bonequicha said:
dj lost his blueberry male?... facepalm and he still calls it blueberry? for me a strain dies when it can't be replicated exactly as it was in the first release, thanks for this helpful info, just shameful he's still calling it blueberry, bait and switch much?
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He lost his sativa blueberry male, he has been using an indica leaning version for years now. This doesn't mean it's not blueberry, it's just taken down a slightly different road than previous years releases of it. All of DJ's older strains are at least F5 releases. So to say that blueberry is not blueberry anymore would be wrong, because he is still using an F4 blueberry stock male to make his F5 blueberry seeds.
 
silverhazefiend

silverhazefiend

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Ahhh
1.seedbanks do not take 50% idk where u got that from ..seedbanks all charge diff prices ..that's there profit
(I actually don't kno how much they take) but that 50% seems kinda high


2.just bc u get "big" doesn't mean anyone has to take over ..also what breeders do u kno that got big an let someone take over ??
Don't say ghs ..it been a big company for a loong time

3.dude seed packs do sell for 25 dollars ?? I can list atleast 10 company's with seed packs ranging from 25 -50$ dollars ..ALSO there are places that sell seeds legally ..dna just opened one in colorado and in any medical state u can buy seeds LEGALLY from a disp..and they still cost the same ..u dont need a seedbank to sell seeds in legal states ..price is still the same

Someone said on another forum it's not only the breeders but the consumer that needs to change ..if I'm gonna charge u 150$ a pack and ur happy to pay why would I stop ???

And u have alot of people who try to justify It with a whole lot of billshit and no information with substance just speculation ..it's just supply and demand at this point ..

Here's a perfect example ..bubblegum ..if there was only one official bubblegum breeder I'm pretty sure the price would be much higher ..but with another breeder working the same line there's more supply to meet the demand ..so they essential compete with each other for the same market ..hence why they cost around the same (-/+10$) and why u see one bubblegum thread every yr
 
Nightmarecreature

Nightmarecreature

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silverhazefiend said:
Ahhh
1.seedbanks do not take 50% idk where u got that from ..seedbanks all charge diff prices ..that's there profit
(I actually don't kno how much they take) but that 50% seems kinda high


2.just bc u get "big" doesn't mean anyone has to take over ..also what breeders do u kno that got big an let someone take over ??
Don't say ghs ..it been a big company b4 I even really kno what weed was ..

3.dude seed packs do sell for 25 dollars ?? I can list atleast 10 company's with seed packs ranging from 25 -50$ dollars ..ALSO there are places that sell seeds legally ..dna just opened one in colorado and in any medical state u can buy seeds LEGALLY from a disp..and they still cost the same ..u dont need a seedbank to sell seeds in legal states ..price is still the same

Someone said on another forum it's not only the breeders but the consumer that needs to change ..if I'm gonna charge u 150$ a pack and ur happy to pay why would I stop ???

And u have alot of people who try to justify It with a whole lot of billshit and no information with substance just speculation ..it's just supply and demand at this point ..

Here's a perfect example ..bubblegum ..if there was only one official bubblegum breeder I'm pretty sure the price would be much higher ..but with another breeder working the same line there's more supply to meet the demand ..so they essential compete with each other for the same market ..hence why they cost around the same (-/+10$) and why u see one bubblegum thread every yr
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1# The Attitude,Sea of Seeds and many others take 50%! FACT I'm a breeder and I have called and talked to every major seed bank.

2# The Cali Connection is one. Most big seed companies use hired help.

3# Yes, seed packs do sell for $25. You won't find anything good for $25, $50 yes but not $25. Seed packs don't sell for $25 on average for good seeds. Don't even mention Chocolate Rain, it's not even good. Gage Green Genetics, The Cali Connection , Rare Dankness , Bodhi, they all sell for $67 on up. You get what you pay for. Yes, you need seedbanks to sell Worldwide. Many dispensaries sell seeds. They have to sell them close to what seedbanks sell them for or they will be bought up in bulk and resold.
 
Kite High

Kite High

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well cali con is just that...a con...but Nirvana, Sensi, and quite a few others Reeferman for instance "subcontract" seed production to others...some by necessity from the change in Dutch law, others to rake in the cash...the subbing and his big mouth and shady rip off business philosophy is what undid Reeferman

There are also repackagers..for instance Holy Smokes is just repacking Malberry's seeds... nothing wrong with that as malberry's genetics are genuine and quality but just shows that not all are even actually breeders

As for pricing it is like any other product...it will sell for whatever price the market will bear....period
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

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silverhazefiend said:
Ahhh
1.seedbanks do not take 50% idk where u got that from ..seedbanks all charge diff prices ..that's there profit
(I actually don't kno how much they take) but that 50% seems kinda high


2.just bc u get "big" doesn't mean anyone has to take over ..also what breeders do u kno that got big an let someone take over ??
Don't say ghs ..it been a big company for a loong time

3.dude seed packs do sell for 25 dollars ?? I can list atleast 10 company's with seed packs ranging from 25 -50$ dollars ..ALSO there are places that sell seeds legally ..dna just opened one in colorado and in any medical state u can buy seeds LEGALLY from a disp..and they still cost the same ..u dont need a seedbank to sell seeds in legal states ..price is still the same

Someone said on another forum it's not only the breeders but the consumer that needs to change ..if I'm gonna charge u 150$ a pack and ur happy to pay why would I stop ???

And u have alot of people who try to justify It with a whole lot of billshit and no information with substance just speculation ..it's just supply and demand at this point ..

Here's a perfect example ..bubblegum ..if there was only one official bubblegum breeder I'm pretty sure the price would be much higher ..but with another breeder working the same line there's more supply to meet the demand ..so they essential compete with each other for the same market ..hence why they cost around the same (-/+10$) and why u see one bubblegum thread every yr
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like other dude just said..

a, yes, seedbanks take 50% right off the top.. a $100 pack of beans the breeder will be lucky to get $50 from ...
b.. plenty of seed co's don't breed their own seeds anymore.. their are tons of people in spain that are now making seeds for other co's, fact..
c, seeds, the same as cannabis, is still very much illegal to sell federally in any state, regardless of state laws, seed producers can still face possible fed time for selling seeds, go talk to marc emery about that one..
d, it's a business, do you really expect people to give away their hard work for free and not make a profit?? how much do you think that big mac costs to produce? and how much does mcdonalds sell them for?? being that you can land in jail for breeding cannabis seeds and not big macs, the price is going to be higher in relation to it's black market status.. the higher the risk, the higher the rewards..

i can understand price gauging, and don't support people whom i think are charging super high prices for inferior work, but dj short is probably one of the best breeders out there, or he's at least among a very limited few imvho, with fame you get paid.. that's the way of the world..
you should be bitching about people like doggies nuts who do no work whatsoever on their gear, yet charge $500 and up for a ten pack of seeds, not someone like dj short whose been working on strains for years and years and has probably forgotten more about breeding then some other breeders will ever know..
just my $.02..
 
hazey grapes

hazey grapes

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breeders can charge whatever price they want whether their seeds are worth it or not, just like if you go into some fancy department store and buy some designer clothing, still made in china, for thousands of dollars. people seem to think "you get what you pay for" is actually true. it should be true in a fair world, but since when are humans living in competive cultures prone to fairness?

DJ shorts sells his seeds for what his customers are willing to pay. no one forces them to spend that much money, and i agree with the previous poster that there's many breeders out there selling beans for under $50 because they aren't out to get rich.

someone listed $15k as an amount of money that sounds small when you try and frame it as what a breeder can do in a YEAR, but with most strains, you can easily produce such a crop at least 4x a year for $60k which is NOT fucking poverty by any stretch.

as a consumer, it's up to you to buy the seeds that are worth what they're selling for. that's why mandala is one of my favorite breeders, he puts real love into his gear that has great quality, and even gives some of his profits to charity because he's in it for the reasons far too few are. including you cash crappers reading this, and you know who YOU are.

until today, i've pretty much only seen respect for DJ shorts as a breeder, like mr nice etc., who charge more for what many consider to be "the best". it's funny, i can remember having the exact OPPOSITE argument years ago with someone who flat out hated all breeders that make bargain knockoffs and crosses. those are generally the breeders i prefer as i like value for my money.

before hating on DJ shorts, how about riffing on "everyone's favorite breeder", doggies nuts? :laugh:
 
hsfkush

hsfkush

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My guess is because he can... You really have to look at it as a business rather than a hobby/interest.

Look at a company like Sony, they're well known and make very good products. They're also expensive, why? Because they continuously bamboozle the public with phrases like "HD Ready" and "True HD" and the latest one I believe is "OLED" or "Organic LED". They make no life changing differences to any of their products and it's usually some crappy unknown brand which comes out with the revolutionary technology, but because someone like Sony has picked it up and fast tracked it, people will buy it. Why? Because it's a Sony and everyone knows Sony are good...
Where as someone like Technika are cheap because they're not especially reliable products, they also mass produce, you always see them in stores like Tesco, ASDA and Sainsburys(UK super stores like Walmart). and they'll be around $200 for a 32" HD Ready TV.

It's the same with Cannabis seeds. Companies like GHS are only "successful" because of Arjans incredible marketing skills, but look at his prices, I saw one on attitude which was about $3 per seed... He mass produces and they mass produce about 60-80 strains.

DJ Short on the other hand is just 1 breeder. He doesn't mass produce and he doesn't have incredible marketing skills, but he has good genetics and I've read nothing but good things about his strains. So for me it kind of justifies the high price.

If you want premium quality, you have to pay a premium price. Except when it comes to Doggies Nuts, I don't know what the fuck they're doing, probably a hit and hope.

P.S I will come back to this in the morning and probably delete it, I'm smoking Mazar for the first time, good night xxx
 
silverhazefiend

silverhazefiend

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Nightmarecreature said:
1# The Attitude,Sea of Seeds and many others take 50%! FACT I'm a breeder and I have called and talked to every major seed bank.

2# The Cali Connection is one. Most big seed companies use hired help.

3# Yes, seed packs do sell for $25. You won't find anything good for $25, $50 yes but not $25. Seed packs don't sell for $25 on average for good seeds. Gage Green Genetics, The Cali Connection , Rare Dankness , Bodhi, they all sell for $67 on up. You get what you pay for.
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Hired help is diffeent from "taking" over like u stated ..if a company was big there gonna have to hire more employees ..but nobody "took" over

Most breeders now a days worked for another breeder somewhere down the line ..but they never "took" over any company's ..started new ones yes

And what me and u find good is subjective ..I agree u wont find any genetics that a conniosuer might want at 25 dollars but there's still out there ..female seeds c99 and bubblegum comes to mind ..not conniosuer by any means but still damn good genetics ..

And that makes a good point Bodhi seeds isn't as big as dj short but yet he has BETTER strains for half the price ..they might not have been breed as long ..or a staple like blueberry is ..but why can bodhi source and cross all these strains in LIMITED numbers still only charge 70$? While dj for example selling the same (reworked) blueberry for 150$ yr after yr ? I like like to see someone justify that one for me
 
Kite High

Kite High

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hazey grapes said:
breeders can charge whatever price they want whether their seeds are worth it or not, just like if you go into some fancy department store and buy some designer clothing, still made in china, for thousands of dollars. people seem to think "you get what you pay for" is actually true. it should be true in a fair world, but since when are humans living in competive cultures prone to fairness?

DJ shorts sells his seeds for what his customers are willing to pay. no one forces them to spend that much money, and i agree with the previous poster that there's many breeders out there selling beans for under $50 because they aren't out to get rich.

someone listed $15k as an amount of money that sounds small when you try and frame it as what a breeder can do in a YEAR, but with most strains, you can easily produce such a crop at least 4x a year for $60k which is NOT fucking poverty by any stretch.

as a consumer, it's up to you to buy the seeds that are worth what they're selling for. that's why mandala is one of my favorite breeders, he puts real love into his gear that has great quality, and even gives some of his profits to charity because he's in it for the reasons far too few are. including you cash crappers reading this, and you know who YOU are.

until today, i've pretty much only seen respect for DJ shorts as a breeder, like mr nice etc., who charge more for what many consider to be "the best". it's funny, i can remember having the exact OPPOSITE argument years ago with someone who flat out hated all breeders that make bargain knockoffs and crosses. those are generally the breeders i prefer as i like value for my money.

before hating on DJ shorts, how about riffing on "everyone's favorite breeder", doggies nuts? :laugh:
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hg I pm'ed you
 
hsfkush

hsfkush

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hazey grapes said:
breeders can charge whatever price they want whether their seeds are worth it or not, just like if you go into some fancy department store and buy some designer clothing, still made in china, for thousands of dollars. people seem to think "you get what you pay for" is actually true. it should be true in a fair world, but since when are humans living in competive cultures prone to fairness?

DJ shorts sells his seeds for what his customers are willing to pay. no one forces them to spend that much money, and i agree with the previous poster that there's many breeders out there selling beans for under $50 because they aren't out to get rich.

someone listed $15k as an amount of money that sounds small when you try and frame it as what a breeder can do in a YEAR, but with most strains, you can easily produce such a crop at least 4x a year for $60k which is NOT fucking poverty by any stretch.

as a consumer, it's up to you to buy the seeds that are worth what they're selling for. that's why mandala is one of my favorite breeders, he puts real love into his gear that has great quality, and even gives some of his profits to charity because he's in it for the reasons far too few are. including you cash crappers reading this, and you know who YOU are.

until today, i've pretty much only seen respect for DJ shorts as a breeder, like mr nice etc., who charge more for what many consider to be "the best". it's funny, i can remember having the exact OPPOSITE argument years ago with someone who flat out hated all breeders that make bargain knockoffs and crosses. those are generally the breeders i prefer as i like value for my money.

before hating on DJ shorts, how about riffing on "everyone's favorite breeder", doggies nuts? :laugh:
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Hazey Grapes, I understand you have an opinion and everything, but really... I have seen some of your plants and I have to say I was rather disappointed considering you always had a wall of text to type out.
 
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