Whorled phyllotaxy: stash or trash?

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    Jd Short

    Jd Short Well-Known Member

    It would appear form reading your comments that you may have the definitions of whorled phyllotaxy and variegation confused.
     
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    Countrybuddin

    Countrybuddin Member

    No im not talking about variegation. Im talking about this crap your speaking of where leaves come non uniform with no adherence to the golden ratio or fibonacci ratio and just grow like a mutant freak of some colchicine treated genetics.
     
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    Countrybuddin

    Countrybuddin Member

    goldensection-2017_08_09_02_42_29.png goldensection-2017_08_09_02_37_58.png 0808172248d.jpg here bro this is what good stable vigorous genetics look like. You know what this is ita a male selected for breeding you ever picked one. Thats stayed male? 20170809_021735.jpg
     
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    cookie master

    cookie master Well-Known Member

    theres alot of confusuin on this shit. Do kids not know how to use google? Google a dandelion with flat stem.
     
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    cookie master

    cookie master Well-Known Member

    That plant he showed has the golden ratio of leafs to stem, ==I get it now.
     
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    Rayjar

    Rayjar New Member

    IMG_1461.JPG Would this be Whorled Phyllotaxy? 4 growth tips/leaves?
     
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    Sativied

    Sativied Well-Known Member

    On the same level, with the next node rotate 360/4/2 degrees, yes, that is a proper example of whorled phyllotaxy. Same if it were 3, and the next node would be rotated 360/3/2.
     
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    cookie master

    cookie master Well-Known Member

    Id say no, it may be a qudrifoliate? Whorled is a whole different thing. Whatever is going on with your plant is irrelevant because itll grow out of it and have normal alternating branches.
     
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    Rayjar

    Rayjar New Member

    I kinda figured it would grow out of it once mature, so I was probably gonna top to those 4 tips and see where it goes.
     
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    Roger A. Shrubber

    Roger A. Shrubber Well-Known Member

    i have an actual whirled phylo plant, but i've been lst'ing and pruning it heavily, not sure you can even tell now. the branches are not opposite each other in any way, i've pruned off all the ones that would be growing down, but if you look at the stubs, you can see they spiral up the stalk IMG_20180224_211814.jpg IMG_20180224_211844.jpg and this won't grow out of it, it's pretty mature, in a holding pattern waiting for a spot in the flower tent
     
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    cookie master

    cookie master Well-Known Member

    whorled is different, the top stop growing and it stacks like 100 nodes per inch and flattens out the stem when whorled. It ends up the densest 2 inch long bud ever. but cant even finish because it chokes itself out
     
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    Rayjar

    Rayjar New Member

    I think you're thinking of fasciation, Whorled phyllotaxy is the spiraling of the leaf formation so layers of leaves don't lay over each other
     
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    cookie master

    cookie master Well-Known Member

    like this=[​IMG]
    I think you are correct sir.


     
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    Rayjar

    Rayjar New Member

    Yeah I've seen that once before on a bagseed I had that developed like that on one top only but I'm not sure how or why. Very dense
     
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    oldfogey420

    oldfogey420 Active Member

    Its a polyploid. Had a Nirvana Bubbleicious do that back in the day. One branch even grew the same shape as a celery stalk. Freaky stuff. The end product didn't have any of the smell or flavor of the other plants grown from the same seedstock. Was interesting to watch the "caterpillar" bud grow tho!
     
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    Sativied

    Sativied Well-Known Member

    Amazing how you can see an additional set of chromosomes in that picture... stop parroting that common misconception.

    It is not a polyploid, still a diploid, but it’s “fasciated”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasciation

    Best way to handle is to top it early on (too late now) once you noticed the flat stem. That mohawk bud at the top will be very leafy, like lettuce, and it won’t form a nice cola below it.
     
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    Rayjar

    Rayjar New Member

    And also be careful of rot, because it gets quite dense and thick in there
     
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    HydroRed

    HydroRed Well-Known Member

    The bud from plants like these was garbage in my experience. Flower never reaches total maturity and the flavor was unappealing at best. The main stem was also square, not flat.
    This was my experience with it:
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    oldfogey420

    oldfogey420 Active Member

    Not parroting anything, but passing along information that I was given some 15 or so years ago when i first came across it. The source was someone that I trusted and assumed that information to be true. Sorry for the unintended misinformation. Next time take it down a notch, huh? No need to get angry..

    I mostly agree....except the unaffected buds tasted fine. It was only the fasciated (thank you for the correcrion Sativied) bud that tasted bad.
     
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    Sativied

    Sativied Well-Known Member

    What you describe IS parroting. :) No need to take such a valid, and now by you confirmed, qualification personally. The only reason there is always someone who comes along claiming it’s a polyploid is parroting. If you would know what a polyploid is, you’d know your claim is unsubstantiated. Instead, you merely repeat a label you heard from someone, aka parroting. Stop doing that, pretty please.
     
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